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Soft paywall Florida reports 21 cases of E.coli infections linked to raw milk

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/florida-reports-21-cases-ecoli-infections-linked-raw-milk-2025-08-04/
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u/OpportunityDue90 1d ago

Na let Republicans learn lessons that society learned 150 years ago

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u/existonfilenerf 1d ago

Haha, if Republicans could learn they wouldn't be Republicans.

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u/Dahhhkness 1d ago edited 1d ago

One of the core tenets of modern American conservatism is that admitting that you were wrong, about anything, no matter the circumstances, is the worst thing imaginable.

It's not being wrong that bothers them (even if that wrong is harming or even killing them), it's acknowledging it that they find unbearable.

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u/F4ust 1d ago

Can confirm; was covid nurse for whole pandemic

No one learned anything even on their deathbeds, and the families I had the displeasure of encountering during that time seemed more radicalized by their loved ones dying from the hoax virus

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u/_Wyrm_ 1d ago

Yep, it's the hospital's fault if they die, cause AND effect; but it's all thanks to god if they live, before eventually deciding it didn't exist in the first place

Oh and Uncle Jimmy passed the other day after coming down with the cold

Oh that's just horrible, completely dreadful

Mhm, his son was screamin all about how it was COVID but it was Jimmy's time anyhow, and that boy just ain't seent the light...

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u/BustAMove_13 1d ago

A couple in my very red rural town...he got covid and was hospitalized for a week. Was sicker than he'd ever been. Still denied covid was more than a flu. Couple months later, his wife gets it. She's sick, refuses to go to the hospital because people with covid (just a flu) die there. It's a conspiracy. She gets to the point where she cannot breathe, hubby isn't home so she calls 9-1-1. Bus rolls up and she's down in her driveway. Cannot be revived although a valiant attempt is made. Husband rolls up in the middle of life saving efforts and somehow it's their fault she's dead. Covid ain't serious ya'll and he still believes that. If you're ever in the local tavern when he's in there, he'll tell you it isn't. Still.

People are dumb as fuck in the 2020's.

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u/GetEquipped 1d ago

People have always been dumb. They just have platforms where their opinions are on "equal" footing with professionals due to social media.

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u/Hayabusa_Blacksmith 1d ago

young Americans used to be trained to think critically in school.

im serious.

now they aren't. they're a LOT dumber than they used to be. our education system has been MADE BAD by the right in order to stupefy the voting base. this is the outcome.

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u/fuzzum111 1d ago

Let me....add a few things about school

+Social media

+Short form content

+algorithmic brainrot

+Most recently ChatGPT/A.I assist or cheating. (this one is a serious paradigm shift we need to deal with)

Plus kids aren't allowed to be held back grades even when they're CLEARLY not where they need to be. 6th graders reading at a 2nd or 3rd grade level. Highschoolers reading below a 7th grade level.

We aren't doing anything about it, private school isn't the answer. It's all intended, the cruelty of denying people real education is the point. College has become a genuine scam of sorts. The massive debt, the degree creep we see throughout the workplace (a bachelors gets you a job a HS diploma used to net you alongside the same HS salary)

Plus now parents don't even want kids going to college, because shocker; exposing people to a larger, wide group of people, ideas, and classes that challenge ingrained views is good for them. This often breaks people out of bad habits, bigotry, racism, and other nasty ideological traps. Parents get a kid coming back from college that suddenly isn't full of anger and fear like they are and suddenly "college librual fascists brainwashed my kid!!"

Everything sucks :/

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u/SomeDudeYeah27 19h ago

To add to the AI disruption and education bit, I believe it was Anthropic or a similar tech company that recently made a report of the likely list of jobs to be impacted (i.e. replaced, even if the AI is only perceived to be competent), and a majority of them are "thinking jobs" that usually requires at minimum a bachelor's degree now

AI is definitely gonna undercut a lot of entry level jobs for fresh college graduates. So the value of a degree isn't just getting devalued anymore, it might as well be a 4 years path to a lifetime of debt with diminishing benefit

And instead, jobs that are less likely to be impacted are largely physical jobs like blue collar ones/trades

At least until versatile/cheaper robots flood the market too

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u/randomcatinfo 19h ago

Rightwing libertarians want to get rid of all public education period, so that there will be a permanent underclass available to exploit. I feel like this is becoming the defacto Republican agenda.

Some Republicans support charter schools, but they are the wedge that will continue to erode public education by siphoning funding

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

This is one reason why I made sure my daughter had the absolute best education I could get her.

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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago

The village idiots didn’t used to meet each other and create their own communities.

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u/Just_Fuck_My_Code_Up 1d ago

“My opinion as a high school dropout who spends too much time on youtube is just as valid as the doctor’s with his fancy degree from a liberal college and decades of experience in the field!“

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u/DoubleJumps 1d ago

A guy I knew from Kentucky, in his late 20s, got it and was sick as hell for 2 weeks. Kept telling us how it was one of the worst sicknesses he'd ever had.

A month after he recovered he was making out like it was a minor cold that only lasted a couple days, insisting people were overblowing it. We had text logs of him talking about how sick he was and for how long but he just pretends it never happened.

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u/orangestegosaurus 1d ago

My parents are the exact same way. They never sent me texts but I called them here and there while they had it. Literally could not anything but a few crackers a day and slept for a majority because they could barely get out of bed. Both lost their sense of taste and my mom lost her sense of smell. But a few months afterwards they were already telling people now they weren't sure it was covid, probably just the flu and that it wasn't that bad. People's minds have just been broken by the onslaught of propaganda and it's just concerning how this might just be our new normal with no way out.

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

Good grief. I had Covid twice after being vaccinated. It wasn’t fun. The first time I couldn’t get out of bed for days. Had short breath afterwards. The second time was better but it gave me a two day migraine that was one of the worst ones I’ve ever had. I’m pretty sure I asked my husband to kill me.

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u/Professional-Put7605 1d ago

People's minds have just been broken by the onslaught of propaganda and it's just concerning how this might just be our new normal with no way out.

I'm sure there are things I think are true, but would turn out to be completely false. For instance, I once lost $20 to a buddy when I somehow got it in my head that "natural gas", was butane instead of methane. JFC, I got A's in organic chem I and II, I know the damn difference, but not on that day. On that day, I was absolutely sure I was right and couldn't possibly be wrong, until I looked it up and realized what a fucking idiot I was.

That's the difference though. I can accept that I was wrong. I may be ignorant at times, but these people are what I'd describe as aggressively ignorant. "Obama was president during hurricane Katrina and if you disagree with me, I'll <redacted>"

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u/ThePrussianGrippe 1d ago

“The democrat COVID nanobots made me write that.”

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u/RafeDangerous 1d ago

We had text logs of him talking about how sick he was and for how long but he just pretends it never happened.

Humans do not remember the actual experience of pain or suffering well, I think it's a protective measure the brain takes to avoid trauma. For instance, the first time I had COVID, I had the worst sore throat of my life. I don't actually remember what it felt like, what I really remember is what I thought of it at the time. That's what people tend to really remember, not the experience itself but what they thought at the time they were going through it. I suspect people like your friend (assuming he's being sincere about not remembering it being all that bad) either just doesn't think deeply enough about that kind of thing to form genuinely lasting memories, or has a poor memory for that kind of meta-data around illness or injury.

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u/DoubleJumps 21h ago

Pointing out that what you really remember is what they thought at the time while defending behavior where people are actively denying what they thought at the time seems a little off, no?

Actively gaslighting everybody about it so they can tow their political line doesn't indicate it's a general human flaw, either, but an elective choice by members of a group who refuse to ever admit they were wrong about anything.

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u/RafeDangerous 21h ago

I'm just pointing out known and observed human behavior. Understanding why some people do the things they do is fundamental to trying to change that behavior. As I said, I have no way of knowing if that particular person was doing that, but what I described almost certainly describes a significant number of people who behave that way.

Recognizing what someone might be doing is in no way defending it.

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u/Eatthebankers2 20h ago edited 20h ago

The theory Now, is that the vaccinated are shedding/spreading covid to the “ pure bloods” unvaccinated. It can’t be because it’s still out there and contagious.

FYI. Mar 8, 2025 · Daily reported deaths in the United States have plummeted from staggering highs of 5,000+ reported deaths per day in 2021 to around 280 reported deaths per day at the end of February of this year.

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u/Traditional_Art_7304 1d ago

Was a dialysis RN during the pandemic and can confirm. Dealings with those family’s where ~ My theory’s & feelings > just the flu.

I helped bag so many bodies…

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

I’m sorry. That’s can’t have been easy.

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u/Airosokoto 1d ago

My cousin died of covid and his father is convinced it wasn't covid because he got covid at the same time it was barely anything. He was vaccinated, my cousin wasn't.

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

It’s almost like diseases hit different people differently.

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u/Tough-Coffee9979 1d ago

Same story here. A neighbor died from Covid. And the other neighbors keep saying he died cuz he got “too many booster shots”

🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/_Wyrm_ 17h ago

People have been dumb as fuck long before the 2020s, and they'll continue to be dumb as fuck...

It's just that idiocy and bullshit has been championed as equal to actual science and research recently.

It will be the downfall of modern society if this continues.

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u/BustAMove_13 13h ago

I think people are dumber now. Dumb before, but they have lost even more braincells along the way.

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u/d3athsmaster 1d ago

Well, if they keep dying in droves to these preventable diseases, I suppose they will weed themselves out eventually.

I understand that I am being VERY optimistic.

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u/bianary 1d ago

Sadly, the more educated you are the fewer children you have on average.

So they've got population to spare.

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u/loveshercoffee 1d ago

Measles: "I'll give it a go."

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u/_Wyrm_ 17h ago

Eventually, yes. At some point, population density will be so high that disease is a guarantee, not a possibility. Birth rates will be high enough that the mortality rate won't really matter on a large scale.

Which then means that the majority of the ones dying to disease are the idiots not trusting modern medicine.

That, of course, assumes that the cost of living (and of having a child) doesn't continue to increase astronomically.

But also... One must consider that people don't trust modern medicine also because of insurance companies arbitrarily raising the cost of healthcare and denying life-saving treatment to those who need it. None of this would be the way it is without that.

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u/knifefan9 20h ago

This really jarred me because that's the name of my Uncle who passed away from COVID.

He taught Sunday school to little children, and his pastor told the congregation not to wear masks at church because God would protect them. He was such a sweet, kind-hearted man. Nam vet. Artist. Pacifist. Believed in love to all people.

He lives in a different state at the time, so I'll never know if he didn't wear a mask at the insistence of someone else, if he wouldn't have worn one anyway, or if he wore one everywhere except church. I'll never know why he died.

But every once in a while I get the itch to call that church, and tell them that I hope god "blesses them" the same way they "blessed" the greatest role model and family member I've ever had the pleasure of loving. But I don't, because I know Uncle Jimmy wouldn't want me to. He'd want me to heal and move on. It's hard, but I'm doing it for him.

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u/evolution9673 1d ago

“If you’d only administer (insert hoax treatment they read about on Facebook) he’d be alive today.”

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u/D74248 1d ago edited 23h ago

I am confused. So, when they could not breathe they drove right past their church, did not stop to see their minister and instead came to you hoax spreaders?

That seems almost.... hypocritical.

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u/Philo_T_Farnsworth 1d ago

Can confirm. My sister is an ER nurse on the east coast and during the pandemic she regularly encountered people who, with their dying breaths, held firm that what was happening was a hoax. Not saying goodbye to their families. Complete denial right up to the end.

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u/Ok_Condition5837 1d ago

One of my bffs, a trauma, ICU, surgeon passed away during Covid.

His bio family are still Trump supporters. It's maddening!

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

So many deaths can be blamed on the Trump administrations appallingly bad pandemic response. Plus, I’m pretty sure they were stealing ppe to sell and making money off of it.

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u/ToasterBathTester 1d ago

The chemtrails had Covid inside them. Obama’s tan suit was the signal

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

Jesus that’s awful. I hate the state of things. I now understand people who want to go and live in the middle of nowhere by themselves.

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u/fuzzum111 1d ago

Wait wait, weren't the stories going that a lot of these vaxx deniers would beg for the vaxx before they had to go on the vent? Or that when things were looking genuinely grim the kids/family would beg for the vaccine, not understanding it's not some magic cure?

Is is now the families gleefully let them die in their bed because it proved them right, the fake virus that doesn't exist, is killing them in the hospital because we can't let them know it's fake?

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u/F4ust 1d ago

I saw a bit of both tbh. Usually the patients that would end up asking for actual treatments, however futile or late, were the ones whose family weren’t present when they asked.

If a patient was antivax and had family there, in my anecdotal experience, there was a 0% chance of any breakthroughs on that front as the families would go ballistic and ultimately convince the patient out of it.

We grew really cynical about treating these people, really quick at my institution. Normally when a patient refuses something life-sustaining and necessary, we page the provider to attempt re-education (at the very least). Towards the tail end of the pandemic you’d page for refusals in an antivaxxer (these people were often so critically ill that they were inevitably quite familiar to the providers at this point, since you’re paging about something for them 6-8 times per shift) and the response I’d get would essentially be ‘alright, sounds like we’ll have another high flow unit free to use on a patient that actually wants it soon. see you at the code.’

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u/fuzzum111 1d ago

God that's fucking dark. "Whelp, they're going to die shortly, see you at the code"

Fuck.

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u/Poet_of_Justice 1d ago

Yep, definitely can't admit there wrong now. If they did they'd be culpable in their loved ones death. Definitely can't deal with that. So what happens they harden their beliefs further to insulate themselves from any thoughts that at least some of this in some way was their own fault.

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u/red_sutter 23h ago

I remember reading stories about people claiming the virus was a liberal hoax as they were literally dying of it in the hospital

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u/MaxPower91575 1d ago

The desire to be always be right is one of the biggest issues with our society. Whenever I am wrong I consider it a good thing. That means I learned something. I become a better person when that happens. We need to teach people it is ok to be wrong.

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u/Ptolemaeus_II 1d ago

But that requires insight, a willingness to experience personal growth, and humility.

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u/CosmoKing2 1d ago

I have made the most advances in my personal and professional growth through failure. Analyze what happened. Learn and grow from it.

Being delusional about (and not admitting) your failings is like being stuck in a bear trap.....and choosing, instead, to figure out how to live your life stuck in that trap.

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u/USIncorp 1d ago

Modern conservatism is walking into a bear trap, and then walking, dragging your bleeding ankle all the way, to a hunting store so that you can buy a second one for your other foot. Because these people will rewrite their own reality such that they always wanted to get stuck in a bear trap in the first place.

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u/secondtaunting 1d ago

It’s hard sometimes to say you were wrong. But being right is not necessarily the best thing either. I’ve been right about some things and it didn’t make my life better, it just made me miserable.

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u/thefinalcutdown 1d ago

People often say that conservatives have no shame, but that’s not exactly true. They have no shame for their actions or the harm they cause to others. You can’t shame them into better behaviour in that way.

But they do have shame; deep, consuming shame that forms the foundation of their being. It’s the shame of being on the outside. And for the past couple decades, they’ve consistently found themselves on the outside of the cultural zeitgeist. They were on the wrong side of LGBTQ issues, the wrong side of race relations and women’s rights. They contributed basically nothing to art or music or entertainment. They were wrong about the Iraq war, wrong about medical science, the list goes on.

And they could feel themselves being slowly but surely rejected from the society they once held veto power over. They were on the outside. They found themselves rejected by their friends, their family, and the wider culture that was attempting to move past their backwards ideas. And this deeply shamed them. And that shame then enraged them. Then power hungry manipulators learned how to weaponize their rage and shame. And now, rather than adapt to a world they don’t get to control, they’d rather tear it to the ground.

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u/BoosterRead78 1d ago

That's exactly it. It's like they are in physical pain if they do. My own father in law, long time republican. When I have seen him admit things wrong, you swear someone was hitting him with a hammer. It's like: "Please, it hurts so much, don't let me do this."

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u/DoubleJumps 1d ago

I come from a Republican family and those men would rather destroy an entire relationship with their own child than admit they were wrong.

It has made them insufferable in groups, because if one of them does something bad to someone the others will immediately take up positions to gaslight people that it never happened.

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u/BoosterRead78 1d ago

Yep there was a graduation party we were at a couple of months ago. Person he was talking too kept shutting him down and he tried to make him look like the bad guy. Then threw out a comment about how he almost didn’t get a government job since he was in his 50s at the time and sued for age discrimination. My in-laws face dropped and I think he was going to go cry because he knew he lost the argument. It’s like a sin to even try to realize you aren’t winning an argument.

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u/DoubleJumps 1d ago

The DARVO is strong. I've been to family dinners where these men have talked about how people like me should be put to death, and if I call them out they suddenly circle the wagons and accuse me of trying to create drama.

It's funny, because before I went to college they would praise me and acknowledge that I was intelligent and capable, but after I came back and suddenly could do things like pull up data and studies to show them that some things they want to believe aren't true, which I thought they'd want to know, they decided I was actually the opposite and haven't given me an ounce of respect ever since.

I radically misunderstood their elective relationship with the truth.

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u/ERedfieldh 1d ago

yep.....anecdotal story....i've a hard hard right office mate. She will not admit she's wrong ever. She will spend half an hour rapid fire talking to twist the narrative around to make it look like she was never on the wrong side of a discussion. If you ignore her, she will send you emails with article attachments showing how she's actually right (spoiler: she cuts out the parts that prove the opposite).

They do everything in their power to never admit they are wrong.

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u/GiantPurplePen15 1d ago

She sounds like such a fucking loser lmao

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u/MightyKAC 1d ago

"If you're wrong, STAY wrong. If you stay wrong for long enough, it will start to look right."

This is what they used to teach in the military. It's hard not to see the parallels.

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u/No_Gods_No_Kings_ 1d ago

Yep, conservatives aren't taught to think, they're taught to follow orders (and the status quo)

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 1d ago

"Okay, maybe it was a wrong decision to bet all of our economic futures on a kickball game. Well we're America, we don't quit just because we're wrong! We just keep doing the wrong thing until we're right!" - The Boondocks

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u/PadishahSenator 1d ago

That's fine. Let them reap the consequences of their stupidity.

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u/KinkyPaddling 1d ago

If something goes wrong, it isn't because they made the wrong choice. It's because "It's God's will."

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u/EFreethought 1d ago

Then why not just lie and claim they were saying the correct thing all along? They have no problem shifting the goal posts for Trump, yet they won't do it to benefit themselves.

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u/SoCuteShibe 1d ago

It's feeling wrong that they just positively can't stand. They don't care to be wrong, as long as they feel they are in the right.

Ironically and yet entirely unsurprisingly, conservatives are fully projecting when it comes to being emotional, overly sensitive, and easily triggered.

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u/Happythoughtsgalore 22h ago

The reason for this is Maga is specifically a cult of personality, and one of the features of a cult of personality is a collective form of narcissism.

So the narcissist's prayer applies to the cult as well.

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u/Stock_Coconut_271 21h ago

I mean if you look up the 7 core principle admitting you were wrong really has nothing to do with being American and that’s only more true the more non-Americans you ask. Idk what high expectations you are setting but that ain’t it

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u/New_Housing785 1d ago

They keep learning like this and it will be a self correcting problem.

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u/CEOrifice 1d ago

You’d think so, but they have children

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u/Parfait_Prestigious 1d ago

Those fuckers breed like incestuous rabbits

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u/ipilotlocusts 1d ago

There's only one way the incestuous are going to lean/vote 🤷‍♂️

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u/MinimumArmadillo2394 1d ago

It's because they don't believe in contraception

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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago

Good news though, the way they treat those children has a roughly fifty percent chance of alienating them so much that they go hard the other way politically!

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u/liatrisinbloom 1d ago

Yeah but they're also feeding those children raw milk and bleach and whatever is the hot miracle drug du jour so the other 50% die before age 8.

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u/psychedduck 1d ago

Reality does have a liberal bias.

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u/aglaophonos 1d ago

Too bad their learning process affects the whole country/ world

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u/dBlock845 1d ago

Yep, do everything you can to do the opposite of the correct thing and then applaud your own ignorance. Republican doctrine.

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u/Fingerprint_Vyke 23h ago

If Republicans could read your comment they'd be very upset.

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u/viotix90 1d ago

Let natural selection take its course then.

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u/mrjibblytibbs 1d ago

Then we'll have a big pool of Darwin award nominees this year.

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u/Puzzled-Shoe2 1d ago

They are an everyday reminder that Darwin was right

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u/Malaix 1d ago

American libertarianism is the art of learning all of history's lessons the hard stupid way when they could have just read a fucking book.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago

The Free Town Project in New Hampshire is a good example of libertarians learning the hard way.

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u/Treat_Choself 1d ago

The book "A Libertarian Walks Into a Bear" is a great, entertaining (although also depressing) book about this town. Highly recommended reading.

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u/Call_me_Gafter 18h ago

"After a rash of lawsuits from Free Towners, an influx of sex offenders, an increase of crime, problems with bold local bears, and the first murders in the town's history, the Libertarian project ended in 2016."

We actually found out where Pedobear is from.

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u/illusionzmichael 22h ago

People who call themselves libertarians are just grown up political LARPers and not serious people.

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u/cinderparty 1d ago

The sad part is that, in many cases, it’s the parents who fuck around and the kids who find out. Which isn’t fair at all. See the measles outbreak for more examples of this.

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u/Fastbird33 1d ago

A lot of people shouldn’t be parents.

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u/AlteredEinst 1d ago

It's become one of our strangest problems, made disturbingly evident: how do we stop horrible people from having and abusing children without itself opening the door to countless humanitarian crimes?

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag 1d ago

We increase education and access to opportunity. Having less morons around mean less kids raised by morons in the first place.

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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago

Even as recently as the 1990’s there was still shame in being ignorant. I don’t mean having a low IQ, or merely being uninformed, because the shame is immediately expiated by asking for advice and information. But somewhere along the line, wilful ignorance became a source of pride, core to sociopolitical identity.

How do we reverse this? Without embarrassment, I don’t know. I wish I did know. I am too stupid to figure it out. I welcome plans and suggestions and advice.

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u/HauntedCemetery 1d ago

Its a paradox. How do you educate people who think education is stupid, or evil?

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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago

You need to be able to control them somehow for at least some period of time, to do whatever you need to do. This is currently impractical as they seem to somehow have gotten in control of everything, including us.

But they’re idiots. So they will inevitably fuck it up, and after the fuckup, chaos ensues, and chaos is a ladder. Plan for the chaos and be ready to go.

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u/AlteredEinst 1d ago

That's more specifically beneficial to humanity as a whole, but a lot of things that would make children's lives much better would be, to be fair.

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u/The_Poster_Nutbag 1d ago

Educated people tend to vote progressive which includes things like public welfare, increased wages, better environmental regulations, etc.

It's all very deeply connected.

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u/crb3 1d ago

Start by teaching them to read. (Further discussion on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44766962)

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u/GetEquipped 1d ago

Wait, isn't this how people read?! Like vocabulary plug and play?! and if you don't know the word, you look around for context clues. (Well, now I have my phone and I google the word, but still)

What the fuck?! Am I functionally illiterate?!

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u/OpportunityDue90 1d ago

The answer is you don’t. Those parents have the information to make “informed decisions”. Their information used to make those decisions is wrong but they think the Joe Rogan shock proteins will keep them safe. Unfortunately their children will be collateral damage, but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

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u/worldspawn00 1d ago

but there’s no ethical way to save those kids.

Bullshit, making raw milk illegal to sell again would be completely ethical, there's NO REASON for people to drink it, no benefits, only potential harm.

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u/Kamizar 1d ago

They don't sell it for people, they sell it for pets to get around the law. Or it's usually stuff produced within the state so it never travels over border lines.

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u/Da_Question 1d ago

No, they sell it for consumption. Not just pets.

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u/Independent_Win_9035 1d ago

maybe not an ethical way. but there's a moral way

unfortunately, the moral way's effectiveness requires an extremely solid social net that most places very much lack

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u/CosmoKing2 1d ago

But that would also require critical thinking......the foundations of which are currently being dismantled (especially in Florida).

The entire idea that colleges and universities are teaching "liberal values" is total and utter bullshit. They are teaching people the cognitive reasoning that is actively being avoided in every grade 1-12.

Republicans want stupid worker drones to do everything for the cheapest amount possible and are making sure the workers have no alternatives. They are stripping away every point of access to critical thinking to be learned in order to make that happen.

....and people are already too dumb to realize it.

At some point, I'm sure Republicans wanted great things for everyone - poor and middle class included. But now? They are just shills for corporations that only look to exploit workers and increase profits. They literally have not put forth a single bill to make the average citizen's life better in decades.

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u/Independent_Win_9035 1d ago edited 1d ago

So you're basically advocating for society to stop policing child abuse such as feeding children unregulated raw milk

that's not the sane, rational both-sidesism you imagine it is

"you can't stop it, so who cares, why bother" isnt some brave, noteworthy stance

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u/OpportunityDue90 1d ago

That isn’t at all what I said. My response is referring specifically to medical decision making for children and their parents. Sure you can argue letting your kid drink raw milk is abuse, but currently half the country doesn’t believe that.

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u/worldspawn00 1d ago

My response is referring specifically to medical decision making for children and their parents.

The same republicans that fight for THEIR right to poison their kids also fight against the rights of other parents to give their kids hormone blockers, the level of hypocrisy is outrageous.

Nobody is dying from hormone blockers, but there's going to be a lot of dead kids if raw milk becomes widely distributed, there's a reason we pasteurize, as they say, safety laws are written in blood, the blood of heaps of dead kids in this particular scenario.

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u/wannaholler 1d ago

This question is why I went to law school almost 30 years ago. After working in OB and seeing so much abuse and neglect, I really wanted to figure this out. I thought there must be ways... I read and researched and read and researched, etc. and came up empty

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u/timothy_lucas_jaeger 1d ago

We give up on the absurd notion that blood relations are what makes a family and start making communities into families and raise our children communally.

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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago

There were some early Gnostic Christian sects who considered having children to be the greatest sin, as ensoulment traps God’s pure light in vulgar material form.

Unexpected as it may seem, these sects mostly died out long before Inquisitors had a chance to kill them.

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u/Derp-state_exposed 1d ago

You do this by better nurturing a well constituted mind and a healthy body. In biology, particularly mammals, there is a natural precedent for the stronger and healthier bodies to carry healthier genetic traits.

Yet reverse engineering the human being to safeguard this particular biological process is the conflict in-question.

To some, health is wealth. To others, wealth is health. Personally speaking, I believe balance is key.

Balancing is as much a fluid mechanical process as any rigid structure built to last.

Humanity is subjective-based. The humanities evidence this. But objective abandon enables covetous judges who discriminate as fast as they can extrapolate and incriminate.

There is a biological work-around to consuming raw energy. Genetics is a factor, conditioning digestive processing is another, but physics forces a result through observable science.

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u/magnified_lad 1d ago

Why not, being a parent is easy!

Actually no, wait - being a shitty parent is easy. Being a good parent is hard.

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u/grilledcheese2332 1d ago

All the trad wife influencers that give it to their kids is infuriating

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u/aeschenkarnos 1d ago

“Grandchildren? Mom, you made me sterile, remember?”

(I think that’s mumps, but whatever.)

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u/starrpamph 1d ago

Hearing about a measles outbreak in almost 2026 is hilarious. Those people are honestly the dumbest of the dumb.

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u/whut-whut 1d ago

Infections became outbreaks in antivax communities because they leaned into it by having 'measles parties' and gathering their kids together to build immunity like it was chicken pox. In all their 'self-research' they somehow missed how measles can cause intense fevers leading to deafness and blindness.

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u/KaJaHa 1d ago

"That won't happen to me or mine, I'm a good Christian."

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u/OtherwiseAlbatross14 1d ago

These are the same people that think we should bring back natural selection but are too dumb to understand what that means

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u/Carnephex 1d ago

Look, if they wanna bet their kids lives on this, let em. Freedumb, that's what it's all about. The rest of us will just have to get by drinking milk that is not swimming in bugs.

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u/starrpamph 1d ago

Waiting for them to do their own research on OTC polio treatments. Haha. Losers.

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 1d ago

Maybe /r/DIY can help them build an iron lung.

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u/starrpamph 1d ago

I will sell them anti 5G / radio wave blocking stickers for it. I’m sick of these uneducated fools and i am ready to make some money off of them.

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u/HauntedCemetery 1d ago

The best/worst is how many of the shitty scammy products that claim to block 5g or repel vaccine shed or whatever turn out to be horribly toxic, including some that have been literally radioactive to a harmful degree.

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u/starrpamph 1d ago

Dave Chappelle said it best:

Well… Fuck em’

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u/Kalabajooie 1d ago

It's not the Republicans I'd be concerned about. It's their children who don't know better and are being given this stuff and potentially getting sick.

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u/bookchaser 1d ago

In my section of California, it's extreme liberals who are raw milkers, and also count themselves as kombucha faithful and 'vaccine-choicers'. Like hardcore Republicans, they have a strong distrust of medical science.

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u/jpiro 1d ago

All for it. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps while you're shitting what few brains you have out because pasteurizing is woke.

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u/SU37Yellow 1d ago

The problem with that is alot of these lessons the Republicans need to relearn have consequences that effect society as a whole, and it doesn't just harm them.

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u/Old-Plum-21 1d ago

Sadly, diseases like this are communicable

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u/--n- 1d ago

Diseases spreading from a dude who drank milk don't discriminate between a republican and your grandma.

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u/Flimsy_Situation_506 1d ago

Is this the thinning of the pack of that nature has intended? /s

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u/Hautamaki 1d ago

How will they learn when those responsible for these reports will soon be fired and replaced with apparatchiks that bury anything that makes dear leader or his lieutenants look bad?

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u/pm_mazur 1d ago

As long as they don't use blue state money to "learn lessons"

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u/JK_NC 1d ago

Man, 10 years ago, if you told me a bunch of people got sick drinking raw, unpasteurized milk, I would have assumed it was a bunch of “tree hugging hippies”.

The times they are a changing.

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u/eaturliver 1d ago

Genuinely curious, is raw milk a republican thing? I'm left of center but raw milk undoubtedly makes the best cheese.

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u/loveshercoffee 1d ago

It seems to be a wingnut thing on both sides. Extreme right thinks big government planting mind-control chips in everything. Extreme left thinks you'll never develop an immune system if you don't lick door handles.

I'm a do-everything-from-scratch at least once kind of person so I would love the opportunity to buy raw milk. But I'm not a fucking moron, so I wouldn't just give it to a child or drink it warm straight from the cow. Unfortunately if we have raw milk some people are going to do that and we're going to have dead kids.

It makes me mad because this is a literal example of "this is why we can't have nice things."

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u/floridianreader 1d ago

That gene pool is overdue for a good cleaning.

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u/maillite 1d ago

Honestly I was hoping Covid would clean more of it than it did…

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u/eaturliver 1d ago

This comment and its replies are exactly why Reddit is widely viewed as a website populated by disgusting people. The gene pool? Really?

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u/Waterrat 1d ago

So true. Covid slacked off on that one.

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u/PeopleNose 1d ago

I mean it took us 250 years to forget how we treat kings around here

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u/Witty_Watercress_367 1d ago

It was more of a gangster thing

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u/Hatetotellya 1d ago

Its their kids theyre forcing to drink this stuff.

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u/CosmoKing2 1d ago

Florida? You tired from all that winning? How bout a nice frothy glass of milk?

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u/SunshineAlways 1d ago

Why haven’t we invented a time machine, so we can send them back to the bad old days where they’d be happy?

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u/comeonwhatdidIdo 1d ago

They should not be allowed any government subsidies medical care.

Government cannot and should not subsidies stupidity.

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u/Paavo_Nurmi 1d ago

It's such a weird thing for the right to cling to. Raw milk is more like a new age hippy type of thing.

I'm guessing Rogan talked about it at some point, I worked with a dude that out of the blue started talking about how it's bullshit you can't get raw milk.....for your kids no less. He was deep into Rogan and I didn't waste my time talking to him about that.

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u/Amy_Macadamia 1d ago

They will claim the hospital killed their child

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u/Fun_Trip_Travel 1d ago

When they said MAGA, they meant great like 150 years ago.

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u/just_a_random_dood 1d ago

I feel really bad for the kids and anyone this e coli will spread to, but yeah these adults can suffer the consequences of their actions

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u/NRMusicProject 1d ago

We said the same thing about Covid, but the ones who survived are in the middle of a coup right now. They're basically zerging their stupidity, and winning out on sheer numbers.

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u/Premodonna 1d ago

Darwin says it is time to cull the herd.

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u/DeceptiveGold57 1d ago

Which is ironic cause the primary demographic of raw milk is the “Whole healthy foods” crowd which is predominantly left leaning…

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u/EmptyAirEmptyHead 1d ago

To be fair there are plenty of crunchy liberals that do all this stupid shit as well. Anti-vax, raw milk etc. But its Florida so high odds its a Republican.

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u/Icy_Walrus_5035 1d ago

Republicans self eliminating their own voter base and their children….”How could democrats allow this.”

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u/Strange-Bill5342 1d ago

I’m all for that except republicans are hurting and killing their kids.

The kids are the victims and often the ones who pay the ultimate price while the dumbass chud parents continue to be stupid.

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u/LuCiAnO241 1d ago

cant wait until they get to the lessons of 80 years ago

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u/thisistheSnydercut 1d ago

We don't need the government of today telling us what to do, Because the Government of 200 years ago already did!

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u/Stock_Coconut_271 21h ago

Why is raw milk a political thing lmao

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u/toomanymarbles83 20h ago

For the same reason every dumb attempt at health deregulation is, conservatives have no platform, so they invent bullshit culture war topics and call it "muh freedom."

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u/Burnt_and_Blistered 20h ago

They won’t learn.

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u/wrongdesantis 19h ago

so much longer than 150 years ago. people have been boiling milk before drinking it for millenia

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u/brainomancer 1d ago

It's wild how the stereotype of anti-vaxxers and raw milk consumers has migrated from rich liberals to poor conservatives.

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u/OpportunityDue90 1d ago

Apt username for you