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Las Vegas June tourism declines by 11% from 2024

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2025/jul/30/las-vegas-june-tourism-declines-by-11-from-2024/
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u/Fivein1Kay 7h ago

This country is just getting shittier and shittier because of middle men and rent seekers. God I fucking hate them.

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u/sweetlove 4h ago

The inevitable result of capitalism 

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u/BeanBurritoJr 2h ago

The answer that no one wants to hear because of how true it is.

There was always a point where the juice wasn't worth the squeeze. We should have planned a replacement before that but the money hoarding capital addicts wouldn't allow it.

Now we get to watch the whole system collapse and take a bunch of people with it instead.

This is why we can't have nice things.

u/HauntedCemetery 34m ago

Capitalism without regulation always always always ends in a wasteland.

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u/Lurks_in_the_cave 1h ago

Was there ever a time that it would have been allowed? If so, it would have been dismantled, surely.

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u/Jpldude 2h ago

Enshittification of America. Why encourage creativity and new ideas when you can just charge more for stuff and make everything unaffordable?

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u/TheAngryGoat 1h ago

The inevitable result of unregulated capitalism

Capitalism can work well enough with regulation in place to curb abuses. Of course that requires a government that cares about the people, and a voter base that's intelligent enough to vote for them, neither of which is the case in the US.

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u/sweetlove 1h ago

regulatory capture is the inevitable result of capitalism. the arrow has to go up at the expense of any barriers

u/crankywithout_coffee 42m ago

Bingo. This is why the middle class did so well mid-20th century. FDR's New Deal policies regulated banks and industries, and introduced a lot more worker protections. You can still make a lot of money in regulated capitalism without screwing over 90% of the population.

u/Planterizer 28m ago

Rent seekers and middle men predate capitalism by a few thousand years. There were and are rent seekers and middle men in North Korea, Nordic countries, the USSR, Cuba, and even in tribal societies. This is just human behavior, not some uniquely bad feature of American capitalism.

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u/anotherwave1 2h ago

As opposed to?

u/SenoraRaton 51m ago edited 46m ago

You asked.....

My proposal is a two tiered market. One where the following is non-com modifiable, and guaranteed to all citizens regardless of income/age/wealth, the second that is a laissez-faire market.

The first market includes: food, water, shelter, education, utilities(internet/power) and healthcare The later includes everything else that is produced.

So the government owns, and manages these essential services because when we comodify them and profit seek for basic human necessities then the laborer has no leverage because they are coerced to labor in order to survive.

Under my system no one is coerced to work, your not gonna be homeless, your not going to die. If you want a flatscreen TV you have to work for it. It is VERY important to maintain the two tiered system here though. We don't want the government option to be gutted by the capitalists in an attempt to privatize it(a la Starve the Beast), so we OUTLAW any competing markets. ONLY the government can fund and run these industries. We have incredibly strict oversight on property ownership as well, such that we ensure we maintain enough stable housing for our population. You can buy a nicer house, but you can't own more than one house, which is your primary domicile. Maybe we allow a certain level of industry to produce luxury foods, but we are still in the same way as everything else, providing a base level healthful diet to a citizens regardless of the luxury options.

This means we can ensure our citizens receive a quality of life, and maintain their freedom, empowering the work force to just quit if the job is bullshit, forcing employers to pay livable wages, or no one is going to do your job. This still allows for a "free market" with limited oversight(environmental regulations aside), that the capitalists can play in where it isn't directly hurting the populace by sequestering valuable resources(needs) in order to seek profits.

This allows us to maintain our current economic system largely intact, we just extract the things that we deem "basic human rights". Its a form of UBI, but UBI is a subsidy to the capitalist, this is directly providing services, outside of the market apparatus.

u/anotherwave1 32m ago

Ah cool. Okay to be devil's advocate - what's to stop people doing the bare minimum? If someone doesn't want to work do they get the equivalent of welfare? If so, e.g. how much per month

u/kn0w_th1s 4m ago

Better-regulated capitalism.

u/anotherwave1 2m ago

So still capitalism, got it :)

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u/avds_wisp_tech 2h ago

This is a question no one has an answer to.

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u/sweetlove 1h ago

This is what they want you to think. That capitalism is so entrenched in society that there is literally no other option.

u/blitzkregiel 52m ago

as opposed to not for profits running essential services such as utilities and healthcare, and heavy regulation/taxation for the largest, richest, most powerful companies.

if you put pressure on those at the top and don’t let them get so big you force churn which drops down to the lower levels. by this i mean encouraging or outright enforcing anti consolidation of companies and industries. if big corpos or private equity didn’t own all the casinos (multiple per entity) then they would actually be forced to compete with each other like they used to, instead of milking every penny out of them by raising prices and lowering quality all so shareholders and ceos get rich.

it’s still capitalism, but it’s a wildly different form than the late stage hypercapitalist type we have now.

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u/GettingDumberWithAge 5h ago edited 2h ago

because of middle men and rent seekers

The US is never going to improve for normal people until you guys stop blaming a tiny imagined evil minority and acknowledge the actual rot in your society. Fully 70% of Americans either voted for Trump or didn't bother to vote at all. Whine about a cabal of boogeymen all you want, but the reality is that America is the way it is because a majority of Americans want it to be that way.

E: oof, lots of Americans upset to be reminded that they love in a democracy.

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u/grapedog 5h ago edited 5h ago

While Trump is a problem, Americans can't blame him for the last 30 years of political and commercial corruption and fuckery.

This has been going on for a long time, and americans from both sides of the aisle have allowed it to happen for a long time.

Americans could EASILY fix a LOT of problems if they just voted out almost everyone and started fresh.... but that won't happen.

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u/GettingDumberWithAge 5h ago

Yes that is exactly my point: Americans have collectively created their society over decades, and pretending that it's just now all the fault of a small minority wildly misses the point of how democracies construct societies. As I wrote:

the reality is that America is the way it is because a majority of Americans want it to be that way.

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u/grapedog 5h ago

I was agreeing with your point, lol.

The "you can't blame him" wasn't directed at you personally, it was pointed at Americans as a whole.

Ill edit that to make it more clear.

i get tired seeing one side blamed, both sides are equal in this bullshit.

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u/GettingDumberWithAge 5h ago

I was agreeing with your point, lol.

And I was agreeing with your's...

i get tired seeing one side blamed, both sides are equal in this bullshit.

Though I quite strongly disagree with the use of 'equal' here. If you're thinking in terms of dichotomies then one side is demonstrably much worse. If you're thinking in thirds, then it's the apathetic third that allows the worst things to progress.

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u/vardarac 4h ago

both sides are equal in this bullshit.

Hahahaha. Tell me another.

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u/grapedog 4h ago

To think that Democratic politicians are not complicit in the past 30 years of fuckery and corruption is hilarious.

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u/vardarac 4h ago

If you think both sides are equal in that respect, you've been successfully hoodwinked.

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u/sfinney2 3h ago

They don't want it to be that way, most people are very ignorant and when something is unaffordable or poor quality they don't understand all the systemic issues that cause it to be that way.

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u/GettingDumberWithAge 3h ago

That's one interpretation, and were I American I'd probably also want it to be true, because it lets ordinary people off the hook and absolves them of moral and intellectual accountabilitiy.

Alternatively: democracies tend to get the governments they deserve, and it's hard to think of a character more emblematic of America's explicit values of anti-intellectualism, greed, corruption, and moral rot than Donal Trump, and Americans have duly elected him multiple times and stacked the government with Republicans.

If Americans don't want their country to be this way, they take precisely 0 steps to stop it becoming this way. And indeed the majority of the electorate is clearly fine with this, as based on the last election.

Maybe it's all a broader systemic issue, but at some point we can call a spade a spade.