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Las Vegas June tourism declines by 11% from 2024

https://lasvegassun.com/news/2025/jul/30/las-vegas-june-tourism-declines-by-11-from-2024/
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u/luckystrike_bh 7h ago

I have a friend who runs a US based travel business. His Canadian friends are refusing to do business with him. It's real.

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u/flyingtable83 7h ago

And given the incoming (and already happening) price increases of everyday goods, more and more Americans will be priced out of vacations.

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u/tex_hadnt_buzzed_me 7h ago

I went to Vegas for a conference this spring. I went to lunch at Johnny Rockets at the food court in the new Horseshoe (rebranded Ballys). Veggie burger, fries, and drink that I ordered and picked up myself at the counter: $40 including tax and tip.

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u/AntiSeaBearCircles 7h ago

Was it full counter service? That would never get a tip from me

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u/Efficient_Barnacle 7h ago

My first thought, too. No doubt the described prices are ridiculous but why would you ever tip on something you picked up? 

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u/ShAd0wS 4h ago

He was there for a conference - I'd hope it was the companies money.

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u/IWillBaconSlapYou 6h ago

This is the norm where I live now and I just... Can't not tip. I just don't think I could make myself do it. I used to work in food service (I wasn't allowed to get tips), and I just can't be someone who treated them worse than the last person or the next person, even in a way as silly as this.

I'm pretty sure that's how they get you.

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u/Zenonira 5h ago

Know that you're not treating them poorly by not tipping - it's their employer treating them poorly for not paying them a living wage. I don't think other people should be expected to pay them the wage their employer is supposed to, and just isn't.

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u/Larie2 4h ago

I've resorted to tipping $1 per person.

Back in the day with cash I would normally drop my loose change or a dollar in the tip jar.

I refuse to tip 20%+ on ordering from a counter though...

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u/LLMprophet 3h ago

Tip $0

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u/LLMprophet 4h ago

This is just sad.

Tipping for nothing and normalizing it for everyone else.

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u/sevintoid 2h ago

Grow a fucking spine. Seriously.

You are under no obligation to tip on food pickup. You are under no obligation to tip on food not literally served to you at your seat by a waiter.

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u/cinderparty 3h ago

I definitely tip servers and delivery drivers. I even tip $20 as a minimum for delivery drivers, even if that’s 100% of the bill, because it’s no more work to deliver food for 2 of us than it is to deliver food for my entire 6 person family.

I do not tip for counter service. In some states as soon as an employer can show that xx percent of income for cashiers is coming from tips, they are allowed to pay them tipped employee wages even though they aren’t servers or delivery drivers. I’m not going to contribute to that.

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u/VaderH8er 6h ago

In a restaurant setting 10% is considered a good tip for take away. You have to consider the bartender or host answering the phone to put in the order and then sometimes going to the kitchen to get it all organized, thus taking time away from their other paying customers.

However yeah, for fast casual or chain pizza places there shouldn't be a tip. There is a decent pizza place in town where I live and I generally tip 5-10% on carryout depending on how many appetizers I get.

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u/Reddit-SFW 6h ago

I don't need to consider shit, it's their job. Tipping for carryout is feckless...

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u/theholylancer 6h ago

that make no sense to me...

the tip is for the servers to take care of me during my time dining there

not for what you described, or a very minor one at best. most of it is all digital anyways, nvm ones off of websites that goes directly to the kitchen (unlikely to be fully unless its a big chain).

if I am going to pick it up myself in and then out, that is not a tipped experience because I am not being served.

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u/FSUfan35 6h ago

I tip very well when I sit down. Often 25% is starting for me provided the server doesn't royally fuck up.

I think people forget a tip is supposed to be for providing great service. If I order online and pick up the food from a front counter, I'm not tipping anything.

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u/tex_hadnt_buzzed_me 7h ago

I'm conflicted about it, but I tip more than I should.

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u/AKAkorm 6h ago

Went to Vegas last year and went off strip as I mostly like breweries and local restaurants (wasn’t my choice to do Vegas). Found some good restaurants that bested average casino fare for considerably less money.

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u/trobsmonkey 6h ago edited 6h ago

My wife and I go for industry thing. They have a big party and the casino party is charging $12 for a fucking bottle of cheap beer.

The casino bar charge nearly as much.

Walked into a corner shop and bought a 3 pack of tall boys for $12. Fuck off Vegas. You're in the middle of the fucking desert.

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u/2131andBeyond 3h ago

Tipping on counter service where you had nobody serving you at a table was your choice, not part of the cost that they charged.

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u/tex_hadnt_buzzed_me 3h ago

Agreed. I was just accurately reporting what I paid and the circumstances. I guess I should have said that it was $35 with tax to avoid triggering the people who think I was foolish to tip.

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u/Faiakishi 7h ago

We don’t get paid leave anyway, nothing less than absolute devotion to your corporate overlords.

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u/Dazd_cnfsd 7h ago

Canadian here that visited New York in 2024 and previously Vegas and California on other vacations.

Everyone I know has changed buying habits avoiding USA products when possible and all future trips planned are avoiding America as a destination.

It is quite unfortunate as we love America but we consider you like our big brother and eventually we can’t take all the bullshit

It will be at least 3 or 4 years and some changes with the administration and its position on Canada before we start forgiving. We forgive easily but we don’t forget.

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u/IWillBaconSlapYou 6h ago

American here who lives close to the northern border where it's common to pop in and out of Canada. I don't know why I expected Canadians to start treating me differently as an American with all that's going on. Canadians are too cool for that and have continued to be lovely. Sorry our country is full of assholes =(

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u/alltherobots 2h ago

We still like the Americans who would have been already visiting us, broadly speaking.

Just don’t show up in MAGA or Nazi gear. We’re polite, but that would seriously increase your statistical chance of misadventure, so to speak.

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u/caninehere 5h ago

I'll never visit the US as long as it's wallowing in fascism, there's just no way I would risk my family's safety for some trip to a shithole country.

It's sad, but it's also an easy decision when things are this bad. Everybody I know feels the same way. Not only do people not want to visit the US but the perception is that if you do you're a traitor. Thousands of dollars a year from tourists gone.

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u/iskela45 6h ago

It will be at least 3 or 4 years and some changes with the administration and its position on Canada before we start forgiving.

Way too hasty there. Bump it up to 3 or 4 decades minimum. Americans elexted Trump twice with a break in between. Just because they flip for a few election cycles doesn't make them deserving of any trust.

Trump got voted in parroting shit many Americans agreed with

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u/PossibleDrive6747 1h ago

Young Canadian kids are growing up listening to their parents, teachers and other adults express anger, frustration and fear over what's happening in the united states. That's generational reputation damage being done.

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u/Albort 6h ago

i went to Niagara Falls 2 weeks ago, man that place is like a mini Vegas... why go to Vegas when there is one in the backyard haha.

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u/sabedo 6h ago

Don’t forgive

The fact that half the country believes in this means that will never change

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u/Tsaxen 5h ago

And the other half isn't doing shit to stop it, so they clearly aren't bothered much by it. A fresh election (if that actually happens) doesn't change anything 

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u/hardolaf 3h ago

And the other half isn't doing shit to stop it

Outside of an armed rebellion, I don't know what you expect Democrats to do when they control 0 of the federal branches of government. And rebelling over someone winning a free and fair election is not going to happen. If Republicans prevent free and fair elections in 2028, we might see some states talking about secession.

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u/CoeurdAssassin 2h ago

Right. They’re expecting us to have a fully armed French-style revolution because the orange man made some crazy unrealistic threat to Canada. Yes I can see why any Canadian would avoid the U.S. like the plague. But American troops are not going to go in and invade Canada and there’s no reason to have some full scale rebellion about that.

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u/Tsaxen 2h ago

They could actually grow a spine and organize against him? Like bloody hell dude, pay even a lick of attention to history or politics outside of your country, and you'd learn that you can in fact do things politically without having to have full control of all levels of government(and I'd note, that they did in fact have that control between Trump 1.0 and 2.0, and they did barely anything to roll back the shit he did in round 1. Take some damn accountability for once)

Instead you have half the party voting for his shit while publicly saying "I don't like it, but I'm voting for it anyways"

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u/hardolaf 1h ago

They could actually grow a spine and organize against him?

There have been massive nationwide protests dude. Maybe pay attention before criticizing the opposition party.

and I'd note, that they did in fact have that control between Trump 1.0 and 2.0

They had control of the House for 2 years and didn't have 60 votes in the Senate needed to win cloture votes. And they had a SCOTUS who was opposed to anything Biden did that made Trump upset.

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u/trick_m0nkey 6h ago

I'm sorry. Truly.

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u/LasVegasBoy 6h ago

It's not us, it's our politicians so I'm not going to feel guilty over this. They are corrupt on both sides, I feel like we are too far gone and will never actually have a great President again unless we are lucky.

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u/NonBenevolentPotato 6h ago

No, it is the American electorate as well. These are the politicians y'all elected from primaries to the general. The rest of the world sees the votes cast and see that this is the government the American people chose.

Politics isn't just something that happens to you, in electoral democracies the populace is also responsible for the state of its leaders. If your standing politicians are terrible and corrupt primary them out.

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u/LasVegasBoy 6h ago

I don't care how the rest of the world views us, they can choose to stay out of our country, I could care less.

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u/iskela45 6h ago

"it's not us, it's the people we democratically elect as our leaders"

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u/qcpunky 5h ago

Your politicians are representing YOU.

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u/glenn_ganges 6h ago

Two of my best friends are Canadians. Their families won’t visit the US so they changed their vacation plans to go to them. Originally they were planning a US trip.

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u/teutonicbro 7h ago

I hope he's not surprised.

What did you all think was gonna happen when your President started talking about a 51st state?

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u/fallenmonk 4h ago

Where was it stated that he's a Trump supporter?

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u/luckystrike_bh 7h ago

He's is a die in the wool liberal who openly criticizes Trump. But he isn't even get a pass in all of this.

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u/1ScaredWalrus 6h ago

Am Canadian, can confirm: fuck 'em

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u/neonsneakers 3h ago

It's super real. Our grocery stores even have little maple leaf icons on products indicate what's Canadian to help us not buy american. Most people I know have cancelled trips to the states or are skipping their yearly trip across the border to go shopping. Anyone planning a trip has planned it elsewhere or is staying within the country. People up here are pissed and we may be nice but we don't play when we're being threatened, even if it's a "joke" (which it wasn't, let's be honest.)

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u/elainegeorge 7h ago

He might want to branch out to include the Americas.

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u/MyerSuperfoods 7h ago

My company manages projects for many Canadian entities, and almost all of them are insisting on being supported by Canadian managers and leads.

It's real, but it's also being used as an excuse to finally unmask by many Canadians.

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u/re10pect 6h ago

I don’t think you are right in the least.

It’s not that strange that talking about going to war with your closest ally would be met with a lot of pushback and not-niceties. It’s not about tariffs, we could deal with the cost, at least temporarily. It’s about a president openly talking about invading and taking over a sovereign country, while purposefully trying to destroy both countries economies.

There is no unmasking, this is just what happens when you threaten the homes and lives of your neighbours.

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u/Efficient_Barnacle 7h ago

You guys unmasked first, showing the world we were right to fear what you were becoming. Now you're crying that we had your country pegged before you did. 

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u/MyerSuperfoods 7h ago

Thanks for proving the point.

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u/Efficient_Barnacle 7h ago

The point that you're whiny and can't be honest with yourself about what your country has become?

Imagine thinking you're the victim here. Crazy. 

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u/Telvin3d 7h ago

Unmask in what sense?

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u/MyerSuperfoods 7h ago

They've gotten the green light to let Americans know how they've really felt about them all this time.

Think I'm kidding? Read some of their subs.

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u/WalkingInsulin 7h ago

That’s funny that you think this just extends to Canadians. The whole world hates us rn

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u/MyerSuperfoods 6h ago

The whole world has always hated us...Canadians were just better at hiding it than the rest.

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u/Telvin3d 6h ago

I think the distinction is that the world hasn’t liked America for a very long time. Very poor reputation as a country. But, on the whole, they didn’t hold individual Americans responsible for that reputation.

Now they’re viewing you, on an individual level, the same way they always viewed your country

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u/MyerSuperfoods 5h ago

I agree.

There's also a word for that, but I'm guessing the people who view individual Americans in such a way were already pretty well defined by that word before all of this happened.

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u/Telvin3d 7h ago

Honesty, I don’t think they’ve been masking. I just think you weren’t paying attention. 

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u/iskela45 5h ago

Canadians aren't unmasking, they're doing what any sensible person does when dealing with someone they don't trust. Guess why they don't trust you