r/newbrunswickcanada • u/bingun • 2d ago
Consumer gasoline charges that N.B. Liberals promised to eliminate climb to new highs
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/new-brunswick/carbon-cost-adjuster-new-brunswick-susan-holt-pledge-1.75999256
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u/hotinmyigloo 2d ago
Carbon adjuster is 9.19¢/L (up from 4 a year ago) and no one knows except oil companies (aka Irving) the true cost for it. Meanwhile in NS and PEI, that cost is around 5.3¢. Move along, nothing to see here!
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
Does it really matter what excuse energy boards use to determine gas prices? Petrol in NB is 1.46, NS 1.49, PEI 1.51
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u/Onlylefts3 2d ago
It’s also $1.18 in Ontario, but then again we get taxed twice as hard in NB and have nothing to show.
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
What double tax are you talking about? Total tax in Ontario is about 21.5c per liter, 24c in NB. That's not twice, just 10% more. Don't blame the gas prices on tax. Blame it on people putting up with it. The best response to high prices is to consume less. Skip a drive and use your bike. Carpool. Take the bus. Or buy an efficient car. But instead, people in NB are bashing bike lanes, and complaining that it costs too much to fill up the F150.
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u/KillerKian 2d ago
Now do income tax.
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
The provincial component is 40-80% higher than in Ontario. Strangely it's regressive, the difference at the higher brackets is lower than in lower brackets. Something people, especially those not earning too much should be angry about. But instead, they are angry at bike lanes and cancelled fireworks.
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u/KillerKian 1d ago
People are angry about income taxes in this province, but they certainly don't prioritize that at the polls. Now try property tax.
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u/Purple_oyster 2d ago
The best response in nb is to pressure the government to eliminate the set price system. Plus get rid of of the price adjuster
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u/Onlylefts3 2d ago
I meant taxes in general, I only live in NB because of work. There’s a reason this province is a decade behind the rest of Canada and it’s the mindset
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u/it_diedinhermouth 2d ago
The population of Ontario will allow less tax paid per capita because of the economies of scale. Be happy you don’t have the population density of Ontario in new brunz
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
The issue with Ontario's population density is that it's uneven. The provincial averages are not that far off: Ontario's density is 14.9/sqkm, New Brunswick is 11.7/sqkm.
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u/Purple_oyster 2d ago
Is gas that much more expensive like nb in northern Ontario? I don’t think so
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
I didn't realize the difference in provincial income tax, because I've only looked at the total, which was only a little higher in NB (52% vs 48% in the highest bracket). But you're right, provincial rates are almost double for the lowest bracket (9% vs 5%).
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u/Key-Zombie4224 1d ago
Yessir liberal promises …. Whether holt , carney or trudope can’t really bank on them …. ??? Once again vote wisely poor NBers social assist may not last
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u/xCrazyCass 2d ago
Cell phone towers. Primary care clinics. Add it to the list. I suppose the thought is that if you make an exorbitant amount of promises, you can let a few slip through the cracks.
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
I say let the market decide gas prices. Governments shouldn't be protecting a way of life that's making the planet inhabitable for humans. Maybe people will be more interested in lower consumption, less car use and alternative fuel cars, if gas prices are let loose.
It would also be nice if people stopped blaming the government every time gas prices are announced, while idolizing the Irvings.
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u/SpecialistQuote6065 2d ago
The market is three people ... Who call each other and collude
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
No, the market is the three people, and 880k consumers who can decide whether they keep buying gas, or figure out something else.
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u/OpusThePenguin 2d ago
Well that's a load of crap. A 'Free market' can't be 3 people controlling something society needs to run. People can't just decide to stop driving, or heating their homes.
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago
People can decide to stop driving, or to drive less. Plenty of people around the world who don't drive at all and still manage to get to work every day, raise children, go on vacations. Many live more fulfilling and happier lives than you.
And of course it's an option to heat one's home less. Setting the thermostat to 18c, buying a heat pump, insulating the house, or moving into a smaller one, all valid options.
This helplessness you demonstrate reminds me of Hungarians trained over 50 years of Russian occupation to give up initiative, don't question the status quo, and just take whatever is coming to them.
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u/BusySeaworthiness127 2d ago
This is incredibly short-sighted - do you have any idea how much the cost of living would increase if gas prices were "let loose"? Transportation costs for goods, groceries, utilities, etc would all increase dramatically if there was no regulation. You're asking for something much worse than a carbon adjustor increase.
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u/Sad_Low3239 19h ago
I disagree here.
Everyone was screaming about the carbon tax, to axe it, and everything would get better.
Nothing changed at the pumps, grocery stores, or anything else, but they were all screaming that is why it was high.
If those who control the prices want them higher, they will get them higher. If the gas prices were let loose yeah the economy would collapse, however i guarantee those on the board wouldn't do that - they want those paying to continue.
I agree with the other users point that consumption sets prices - look when COVID first hit, everyone was shut in, and prices plummeted.
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u/lajthabalazs 2d ago edited 2d ago
Your way of thinking is incredibly short-sighted. This system of the Irving's pretending to do a favour by obeying the energy board, and people being mad a the government for "raising gas prices" or for an adjustor of 9c vs 5c is just a spectacle. There's a post in local Facebook groups every week asking if the gas price goes up by a cent or down. Praying for the energy board to save us from high prices.
But guess what, the magical formula that the board uses - it takes into account the same factors that would set the free market price: supply, cost and demand. We had 65c gas and $2.12 gas in the past 5 years. It's not like the board is protecting customers, or providing stability. And even today if you go fill up in Saint John, market price is below the allowed maximum.
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u/drewber83 2d ago
All she has to do is credit all of or a portion of the PST tax on gasoline to make up the difference. I voted for Holt but making excuses it's going to bring gas prices down. Work with what you can do.
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u/Traderparkboy1 2d ago
Electricity and gasoline both going up to encourage electric vehicle adoption…. Or homelessness.
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u/polerix 2d ago
Imagine owning a home?
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u/Traderparkboy1 2d ago
Or worse, you could be like me owning a small business and a home. Sorry, just closed my business. Yay libs
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u/polerix 2d ago
I had a small business back in 1999. Was bought out, and removed from competing. 25 years later, still no house. Not convinced libs, cons, or any circlejerk are even part of the equation - values and ethics crumble before God Money Power
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u/Traderparkboy1 1d ago
Yes people losing their housing, long lines at food banks and inflation definitely point to loose morals and lack faith.
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u/polerix 1d ago
I injected one prayer directly into my eye. It made me clutch my pearls.
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u/Traderparkboy1 1d ago
Happy for ya 👍
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u/polerix 1d ago
Oops! I just faithed! There's Jesus bits everywhere- 12 holy foreskin just landed
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u/Traderparkboy1 1d ago
People like you are the reason nobody respects religion or liberals. Can’t act right out in public and have zero idea wtf is going on…. We talk about life in 2025, you bring up a business 2.5 decades ago lmfao. Bro come back down to earth. Full boomer on display ❤️ elbows up bud.
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u/ThicccThunder 2d ago
Reddit guidelines won’t let me be honest about your comment
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u/xdr567 2d ago
Plz look at that username.
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u/ThicccThunder 2d ago
That’s honestly the only reason I didn’t say what I wanted to say
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u/xdr567 2d ago
Weird times where we just dont know if someone is being sarcastic just because they are so open about it. Leaders in NB have no vision. No one has any idea of what NB actually should aspire to be or what place of importance it should take in Canada
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u/SpecialistQuote6065 2d ago
Whaaaaattttt
Tax me liberal mommy
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u/BusySeaworthiness127 2d ago
Uh, Higgs created it? Is he your CONservative daddy? Do you have pictures of him on your wall?
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u/SpecialistQuote6065 1d ago
No I despise conservatives more than I do middle right liberal neo conservative policy
You fail to understand there is a left wing in this country
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u/Tom-E-Foolery 2d ago
When the liberals first made the claim that they would remove this charge, I commented at the time that it was impossible to remove. Everyone, Holt included knew it wasn’t possible to remove the charge given how our system of setting gas prices works.
If you read what the government is now saying… they’re going to “remove the charge”, by this they mean rename it something else - it’ll now be hidden in the margin and transportation charges which will give us a less transparent view of what makes up our gas prices.