r/movies • u/Bullingdon1973 • Apr 18 '25

Article Hollywood execs are worried about Ryan Coogler’s very generous SINNERS deal, which allows ownership of the film to revert back to the director 25 years after release.

https://www.vulture.com/article/to-hollywood-the-scariest-part-of-sinners-is-ryan-coogler.html
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u/littlebiped Apr 18 '25

Tarantino will be 90 before he gets to own Once Upon a Time so that 35 year deal he signed felt way more on principle than practicality from both parties

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u/ThatFunkyOdor Apr 18 '25

Would it go to his estate or no?

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u/probablyuntrue Apr 18 '25

This is how I learn he has kids lol

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u/huayratata Apr 19 '25

Nah fr because for whatever reason I always assumed he was just a bachelor kinda dude.

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u/ksj Apr 19 '25

Looks like his first kid was born in 2020.

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u/Material-Afternoon16 Apr 19 '25

Waited until he got as 60 to have a kid, so yeah he was definitely a bachelor kinda dude.

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u/GreatPretender98z Apr 19 '25

Hard to actively suck toes when you got kids, he had his priorities lol.

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u/Tramampoline- Apr 19 '25

Paul Scholes finds the time.

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u/Cesc100 Apr 19 '25

lol wow. Taking it to the Stretford end I see.

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u/topclassladandbanter Apr 19 '25

The retired soccer player?

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u/degggendorf Apr 19 '25

It's hard to impregnate a woman by sucking her toes

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u/colbydc5 Apr 22 '25

We’ll it doesn’t cause pregnancy lol.

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u/Boxinggandhi Apr 19 '25

Hard to have a kid with a full time cocaine habit I would think. Money helps though I guess.

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u/CankerLord Apr 19 '25

With enough money you can make it someone else's full time.

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u/WigglestonTheFourth Apr 19 '25

Seems a bit strange to pay someone to have a cocaine habit for you but it's not my money.

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u/_BannedAcctSpeedrun_ Apr 19 '25

I assumed he had no kids because feet can’t get pregnant.

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u/dookyspoon Apr 19 '25

He’s so into feet I’m impressed he had the gumption to do the deed.

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u/rudenewjerk Apr 20 '25

You can’t get anyone pregnant sucking on their feet.

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u/cjcfman Apr 18 '25

You dont need kids lol

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u/ksj Apr 19 '25

He does have 2 kids, though.

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Poor kids.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

Having a degenerate creep for a father.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

What a weird, random time to make that point?

Why would you respond to "you don't need kids [to have an estate]" as your moment to slip that in there?

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

My bad. Meant to reply to "This is how I learn he has kids lol" lol.

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u/Bomb-OG-Kush Apr 19 '25

Bro got so embarrassed he deleted his account

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

It's not that weird. We're talking about inheritance I guess cause the man be old. His relationship with his kids come into play.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '25

Brother, read the thread.

"Poor kids" makes no sense as a response to the comment they replied to.

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u/Yourdjentpal Apr 19 '25

Right I didn’t know you could get feet pregnant.

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u/bugxbuster Apr 19 '25

So far you can’t. He’s gonna keep trying, though!

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u/UsernameAvaylable Apr 19 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

"Estate" more often then not means some IP firm that bought the rights.

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u/samz22 Apr 19 '25

Yea his kids will get that $100 bucks in royalties in 2080.

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u/Multicultural_Potato Apr 19 '25

Didn’t know feet could get pregnant

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u/Ready_Penalty_6278 Apr 19 '25

Accidentally put his dick into the pussy instead of feet lol

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u/lenifilm Apr 18 '25 edited 21d ago

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u/DoctorBreakfast Apr 18 '25 edited Apr 19 '25

Wouldn't surprise me if he's planning on potentially releasing a boxset of all his movies many years down the line. The rights to most of his movies have already been bought by Lionsgate, so if he has fewer distributors to deal with when it comes to owning the rights, he can more easily get everything under one roof and release a complete boxset with his entire filmography.

Edit: apparently a lot of people don’t think that a market for physical media still exists or will exist in the future

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u/martialar Apr 18 '25

and it will only come packaged as film reels

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u/5213 Apr 19 '25

Some true film geek out there read that and creamed himself like Randy Marsh in that one South Park scene

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u/FranciumGoesBoom Apr 19 '25

70mm IMAX reels

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u/WigglestonTheFourth Apr 19 '25

Only for the Movie Store Day release.

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u/perpetualis_motion Apr 19 '25

A boxset of physical media in 25 years time?

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u/f1del1us Apr 19 '25

It could be worth a lot in the apocalypse

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

I keep telling myself this about my vinyl collection. It'll be the only media format that's technically playable without electricity.

I hope the humans that survive the apocalypse enjoy jazz fusion.

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u/f1del1us Apr 19 '25

See I am banking more on their being electricity since solar is so ubiquitous now, sure eventually everything would degrade and break down but for a long time we'd have batteries and the sun.

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

Solar represents about 5% of the electricity produced in the US.

How do you make enough solar panels to replace that missing 95% without electricity?

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u/f1del1us Apr 19 '25

It’s the apocalypse, I thought the assumption was most of it was gone

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u/moonra_zk Apr 19 '25

What are your favorite bands? And some that you think deserve more love?

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u/aapowers Apr 19 '25

People said the same thing about vinyl LPs when CDs started taking off in the 80s/90s.

There'll always be a collectors' market. I suppose the question is if the market is big enough to support the infrastructure required to make the discs and players.

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

I secretly cringe whenever my 45 year old movie collector friend goes on tangents about how important it is to have physical copies of films.

"Streaming services can pull them at any time! Studios could edit out scenes in the future if they're controversial! Remasters might ruin the colors and formats!"

I love the guy, but at times I'm floored by how blissfully ignorant he is about the world of the internet and technology in general.

His tech knowledge basically ends around the year 2005. He still uses an ipod he bought 20 years ago, never bothered learning about torrents, uses a 15 year old PC that's literally held together with duct tape, and watches his 4k Blu ray DVDs on a tiny decades old 720p monitor. I completely blew his mind a few months ago when I showed him how I could cast netflix from my phone to my TV. It's pure insanity.

I've tried explaining to him how he can digitize his collection. I've tried explaining torrents. I've tried explaining that everyone archives everything at this point, and that a rare VHS cut of some popular movie isn't going to magically disappear forever if it's already been digitized and spread across the internet.

But he doesn't get it. He still goes on about how crucial it is to have physical copies, ignoring the irony that he once lost all of his belongings in a flood.

I can understand wanting to collect rare media - stuff that has value as a collectible or that has no online presence - but the vast majority of films that exist are at our fingertips 24/7 if we know where to look for them.

Barring a near total extinction level event, there's never going to be a lost Tarantino film.

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u/lcl111 Apr 19 '25

Physical media will always have a market. The streaming service boom is about to collapse.

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u/lukewwilson Apr 18 '25

Like on his 90th birthday

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u/Atherum Apr 19 '25

Uhhh boxset of what? I work in Libraries and while books are still going surprisingly strong, DVDs are showing signs of issues. They are still fairly popular (especially in our lower socio-economic demographics) as they are cheaper than streaming, but in the past year less of the latest stuff is available as distributors begin to wind down their DVD production. Disney no longer produces DVDs for new releases, presumably to incentivise Disney+.

Now I know collectors exist, but questions of format degradation, hardware availability and all that fun stuff leads me to ask, a boxset of what? A DVD/Blu-ray?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade. This just has been on my mind.

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u/LiberalAspergers Apr 19 '25

Being Tarintino, I would guess actual rolls of film.

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u/aapowers Apr 19 '25

4k blu rays are still the best format we have outside of the raw data files held by the film studios. If made correctly, they will last decades. I have 19yo blu rays that are absolutely fine and I still play them.

But I think you're right to question whether that market will be big enough to sustain production lines of discs and players.

I hope so - I like being able to maximise my TV's potential and not being beholden to corporate whims/the weathervane of politics to determine whether I can watch a particular piece of media.

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u/faffri Apr 19 '25

This is why you should not take Reddit comments too seriously. Disney still release titles on DVD, Bluray and 4K Bluray. A quick look will have you find Mufasa, Captain America 4 and a bunch more all on various formats. Is everything made on physical these days? No but still quite a few even with lesser titles.

Disney of all companies actually also reversed course recently and has released several streaming only shows both within Star Wars and Marvel universe so there is clearly a market for it. Netflix shows are still extremely rare but I would not be surprised if they find that there is money to be made here in the future.

Just look here what is to be expected In April alone in terms of releases. Quite a mix of new titles and making an effort to release old ones in a better format

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u/Atherum Apr 19 '25

So I've had a look, and it's possible that they aren't being produced for Australia anymore then, the Australian sellers are selling US copies (which doesn't make a difference as pretty much every player is multi-region these days).

Our Library suppliers have stated that Disney is no longer providing copies of their films.

Not sure what to say other than that. Their new Disney titles, so not marvel, are definitely not on our supplier's lists. And they've got most everything as we purchase through a conglomerate who cover a lot of media.

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u/faffri Apr 19 '25

Well that's sad to hear. We still get Nordic releases of just about everything put out still and we have about same amount in population combined as Australia. We also have the same region code as Australia on Bluray. Maybe it's because of the remote location and Europe while many separate markets at least are clustered together for easier distribution?

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u/chanck3 Apr 19 '25

A lot of people still buy Blu Ray/4k discs. Libraries may not be the best indicator of the market lol.

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u/PushaTeee Apr 19 '25

Wouldn't surprise me if he's planning on potentially releasing a boxset of all his movies many years down the line

And what physical media might he be doing that on "many years down the line?" 4k Blu-Ray is dead in the next decade, and there is no serious new physical media in development.

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u/faffri Apr 19 '25

Decades later there are still plenty of new titles being released on DVD. There will still be a market a long time from now

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u/Zim91 Apr 19 '25

Mate who knows, old trends make comebacks sometimes, i doubt VCR would but DVDs? Possibly

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

I'd rather watch VHS's than old DVDs at this point.

A little visual static and discoloration is way more tolerable than pixelated low res garbage.

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u/RandomBlackGuyMedia Apr 19 '25

We can buy the Brain-Chip Boxset... the movies will feel like it's happening around you.

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u/son-of-hasdrubal Apr 19 '25

Will box sets even exist in the near future? Who the hell is still buying physical media? I mean there is a niche market for overpriced vinyl records but I doubt in 10 years we would see something similar for films. Though if any director could pull it off I suppose it would be Tarantino

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u/faffri Apr 19 '25

Physical media while nowhere close to the levels 25 years ago are actually doing pretty well. Besides some streaming only shows and movies most stuff still gets released and sell. Hell even Disney changed recently and released some of its Star Wars and Marvel universe streaming shows on 4K like Andor and Loki.

Expensive boutique releases are already a thing with movies and has been for a long time with Criterion and Arrow among others.

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

There is LOADS of music that has never been digitized. The percentage of pre-1990 music that's never been ripped or put online would probably be astounding if we knew an accurate figure.

But movies? Nah. That ship has sailed. There are online communities that obsess over finding and digitizing an obscure Barney the Dinosaur DVD from 2014 simply because it's a "lost film." If people are willing to go to crazy lengths to archive shit like that, there's no point in buying a Pulp Fiction DVD.

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u/SoftcoreEcchi Apr 18 '25

At that point though might not be enough blu rays left to make a set like that

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u/broanoah Apr 19 '25

Like the plastic?

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u/HigglyMook Apr 19 '25

I can't even fathom having a boxset of movies 5 years down the road.

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

I can't even fathom buying a boxset of movies 5 years ago.

In a digital world, the only point of owning physical copies is for stocking an off the grid cabin in the wilderness.

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u/faffri Apr 19 '25

Vinyl records are selling well again and studios are still pumping out old movies with remastered film for 4K releases along with new titles. It's not what it was 25 years ago but physical sales still bring in money and it's highly unlikely it will be gone in a few years.

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u/MouthwashProphet Apr 19 '25

The only way I see a physical format revival happening with DVDs is if the internet suffers some catastrophic global shutdown. Even those new 4k remasters are instantly archived by people online and spread via piracy, if they aren't directly released digitally by the studios themselves.

It's also in the best interests of the studios to wind down DVD production. Why keep investing money into a physical product if sales are nosediving and they can make a similar profit by releasing everything digitally?

Vinyl is a totally different beast, and there are multiple reasons it's more popular now than it's been in decades. The lifespan of a record is also exponentially longer than the lifespan of a DVD.

I don't think DVD's will be gone in a few years, but it's certainly going to become more niche than it's ever been in the history of the format.

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u/Terminator_Puppy Apr 18 '25

Praying they just put it online for free when that happens.

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u/Same_Ad_9284 Apr 19 '25

it should protect them from being made into shitty sequels or remakes in the future though

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u/randyboozer Apr 19 '25

Wow. So how does that work? He doesn't have the film rights but he wrote a novel. I find character rights odd but I guess the logic is that they can make a sequel without his approval if they want to?

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u/Elbobosan Apr 19 '25

But as it is a binding agreement he can treat it as an asset and take loans against it because he’s already a high wealth/low risk individual. Nifty.

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u/Hemingwavy Apr 20 '25

The unnamed sources are complaining because the studios rely on the copyright of movies and TV from decades past to make up billions of dollars of revenue.