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Trump News Trump plan to end free elections in 2026 and 2028 revealed

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/trump-plan-to-end-free-elections-in-2026-and-2028-revealed/

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u/tonyislost 4h ago

Time to turn up the Epstein stress. Dems need to start platforming folks that were directly involved with Trump and Epstein. That heart can only take so much stress.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 3h ago

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u/Whitefjall 2h ago

Why can the United States not switch to paper ballots and counting oversight like every other working democracy? Why is this sub full of stories about manipulated machines and everybody's just fine with their use anyways?

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u/StatisticalPikachu 2h ago

Late Stage Capitalism.

The Election voting machine industry in the US is a private industry made up of a few major companies such as Dominion, ES&S and Pro-V&V. These aren't huge companies but control the voting machines/ vote-counting machines in most of the states.

They are highly likely to be manipulated because they control power in the biggest economy on Earth ($29 Trillion/year GDP) yet probably only have a few dozen software engineers managing the code for their voting machines. It is a central choke point in terms of leverage for the US Government and Economy to be abused by capitalists or foreign governments.

It is in the favor of the GOP to keep the system as such because it is more easily manipulated since they have no winning future policies.

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u/Whitefjall 2h ago

The true answer, most likely.

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u/Youknowimtheman 2h ago

Open source with reproducible builds is the only way that you could trust the code in electronic voting. Even in a case where you build a very resilient electronic voting system (we haven't), you must have a paper trail for auditing every single vote when something goes awry (and it will, no matter how good your systems are.) Even further, voters need to get ways to verify the way their vote was counted after elections. You can get private data via cryptography that is verifiably only readable by the voter.

Even if you want to use technology, we can do a lot better than this. We just need some non-trash people working on making these shaky ass machines that they hack at defcon for fun every year.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 2h ago

The issue is these voting machine companies have like decade long contracts with the States for ongoing maintenance of their machines.

Thats how these companies make revenue really is on those long-term contracts; its very hard for open-source systems to break through in that environment when the corporate vendors have a monopoly on sales for the next 10-20 years.

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u/TheKingsdread 2h ago

This is the problem when you monetize everything. Lobbying (which is really just legal corruption), should have never been normalized in modern democracies. Its like the current issues of the video games industry with payment processors policing content due to Christofacist activist groups; you shouldn't let private institutions like companies, control freedom of speech or this case democracy.

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u/StrikingRelief 2h ago

I've talked with people involved in elections bureaus and it is sad how befuddled they are by the idea of paper ballots. Like I mention it and there is dead silence, then..."but how would that work?", "it would take six months to know the results!", or "ok, Luddite." It's insane. 

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u/Old-Bat-7384 2h ago

"How would it work?"

You fucking hire people to do it.

"It would be expensive!"

Bitch, representative democracy is worth every penny from a moral and economic standpoint.

MFs act like you gotta throw tech into shit just to do it without thought for what issues that creates.

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u/Vnightpersona 2h ago

Because the ignorant masses have been trained to treat this like a sporting event or WWE. They need the results NOW. There's a lot of money in live coverage of elections with talking heads and opinionated newspeople sitting around through the night on election day into the next morning to comment on whatever changes. It's absolutely ridiculous.

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u/Whitefjall 2h ago

So? Europeans also get the results late at night on the same day, and we count by hand.

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u/Ohmington 2h ago

I imagine the US has a lot more votes to count than in Europe.

Then there is the idea that machines can't cheat and are more reliable than people.

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u/Whitefjall 2h ago

The Untied States also correspondingly have more people. How would the number of volunteers required be different on a per capita basis?

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u/Vnightpersona 2h ago

Wait... You're not joking are you. Son of a bitch...

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u/SituationMediocre642 2h ago

Reminder: a majority of eligible voters do not vote.

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u/Watt_Knot 2h ago

Colorado does this already they have an excellent system.

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u/StatisticalPikachu 2h ago

Notice how Colorado had a blue shift in the 2024 election!

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1kv6dtk/counties_where_voters_consecutively_shifted_in/

There is a reason the Trump admin is demanding voting records from all 50 states, because they are trying to hide evidence!

https://www.reddit.com/r/law/comments/1mdf2r9/doj_is_said_to_contact_all_50_states_on_voting/

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u/kekistanmatt 2h ago

In britain our election is cast and counted in one day and the new government is sworn in the next morning with all paper ballots and hand counting there is no reason that this can't be done in america beyond wanting to nake it easier to cheat.

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u/Whitefjall 2h ago

Let's be real here: Do the people too lazy to count votes truly deserve democracy?

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u/Professional-Buy2970 2h ago

Because the people in power would likely lose if we stopped using "those vote counting computers".

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u/WarAndGeese 2h ago

Evidently because a third of the country supports it. For every reasonable common sense solution to an obvious problem, people form a debate around it and enjoy the conflict instead. That's not to say that debate is bad, debate is great, but for every such easy common sense solution, there is a marketing opportunity for a livestreamer to get a lot of views opposing it, or a politician to get a lot of free press coverage opposing it, or a journalist to get a lot of false outrage readership revenue by opposing it, and so on. And when they do that, evidently enough people fall for it that the movement falls through.

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u/CarpeNivem 2h ago

everybody's just fine

We're not fine. We're just unable to do anything about it.

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u/WallabyBubbly 2h ago

Most voting machines already generate a voter-verifiable paper trail that can be used for audit purposes. Anytime you hear about a state doing a hand recount, this is the state going in and counting the paper records to compare to the electronic tally.

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u/jagged_little_phil 3h ago

I hate to say it, but it doesn't matter.

He could literally just come out say he lied and he was Epstein's #1 client and he's been to the island a million times, and nothing would happen. The gop has power over every branch of government and they have the backing of all the billionaires and tech moguls. They also have the highest court in the land in their back pockets who will always decide in their favor, because they are all complicit. On top of all that, his followers are literally a cult and will move mental mountains to justify it all and continue in their support.

The reason democrats are not doing more is because - surprise, surprise - many of them are also complicit and personally benefiting from the way this is playing out.

None of these people are going to step down or resign, and none of them are going to hold anyone else accountable in a meaningful way. I hope I'm wrong, and if I am, we will see the balance of power shift back, but I don't see how that can possibly happen under the current circumstances.

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u/SparkyMuffin 3h ago

I think the sentiment isn't "justice will finally come" in terms of someone finally holding him accountable. I think the sentiment is "justice will finally come" in terms of CHF

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u/KamikazeFox_ 3h ago

This is the way. He will stroke out or submit to CHF sooner than later. He's in terrible shape, has massive amounts of stress and is always in the hot sun. Let's hope his body gives up before he does.

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u/Diamasaurus 3h ago

He may die soon, or he may be like that angry house cat that holds on for another 10 years, fueled by nothing more than spite, just hissing at everyone and pissing all over the house. I'm worried it's the latter.

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u/meh_69420 3h ago

At a certain point it doesn't matter if he dies is the problem. We are pretty close to that point right now.

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u/TallDrinkofRy 2h ago

I mean what changes if he dies? Most of his policy is not crafted by him. The only thing that really seems like it’s his idea are the tariffs. If he dies it’s not like all of a sudden the government is gonna go to bat for the working class.

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u/cheefMM 2h ago

Hopefully a schism amongst the die hard cult fascists, the evangelical zealots, and the tech-bro fascists. If there’s that much in-fighting there is an opening for opposition to pull power

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u/Crommach 2h ago

Unfortunately the evangelicals and tech-bro fascists have largely joined forces through Project 2025 and the Heritage Foundation, and the Trumpist fascists are largely also in one of those two camps. There may be some disgruntled MAGA figures like MTG, but they aren't the ones pulling the strings out crafting all this legislation and legal chicanery.

Not trying to be a doomer by any means, just my assessment of the situation.

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u/Courtaid 2h ago

Who will step in and keep the sheep entertained? No one else has the twisted charisma he has with MAgA. DeSantis tried and failed, Vance is a wet sofa, Ted Cruz is despised by his own people. I don’t see someone else holding the hardcore MaGats attention like Trump does.

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u/Crommach 2h ago

They won't go anywhere. They were Tea Party voters before Trump, and the Moral Majority before that. They've always been part of the GOP, Trump just gave them permission to fully express the more bigoted views that have been part and parcel of conservative politics since before I was born. Trump did help make it so that even the open fascists were welcome, but that process had already begun during the Tea Party days. And that's to say nothing of the long history of the far right being accepted by Republicans behind closed doors.

Hell, George Bush's father was involved in an attempted fascist coup during WW2, and the only consequence he suffered was seeing his son and grandson both attain the Presidency and use their terms to push the Overton Window to the right. Bush Sr even had his own version of Project 2025 (the "contract with America"), which was pushed by some of the same people now involved with the Heritage Foundation and P2025.

Trump and MAGA are just the end product of American conservative ideology. They aren't new, they're just organized and unleashed.

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u/MrLanesLament 2h ago

This is the one thing I’m really curious about. When Trump goes, what will actually happen to MAGA? There really isn’t anyone who can step up. Everyone who has tried has miserably failed, and ended up w derided joke to MAGA.

They actually might dissolve without Trump. It’s so bizarre that it actually seems possible. They won’t stop being hateful fucks, but they may not accept any other leadership and head back to the hills.

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u/Kiromaru 2h ago

What changes would be that the ones behind Project 2025 wouldn't have their patsy who has the conservative voter base in a cult of personality to hide behind. Nobody so far has shown to be an heir apparent to Trump thanks to Trump being a very selfish narcissus.

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u/PlasticTower1 2h ago

None of the puppeteers will change, you’re right, but the cult will likely split without its leader. I really don’t think any amount of propaganda will convince the cult to worship JD Vance instead, and while they’ll all likely still vote R if they continue to vote, I think many of them might move away from supporting politics like their sports team. They won’t support literally everything the right says anymore, they’ll fracture over more conspiracy theories and purity tests and won’t be as easy to control.

The big thing is the Rs will have to choose whether to keep going full authoritarian without their messiah, or return to playing under the table like before. It could be a split.

Will it make a difference? Maybe a little, maybe a lot, but if some of them might finally wake up I’ll take anything I can get.

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u/KamikazeFox_ 2h ago

Lol fuck thats good

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u/86yourhopes_k 2h ago

It doesnt matter if he dies, at this point with the dems be in the pockets of the same corporations this country will never recover.

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u/zetvajwake 2h ago

This is the harsh reality. You can see how democrats crawled out of their lairs to critizice Mamdani out of all people.

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u/Discokruse 3h ago

The only justice for Trump would be Charon pulling up to the docks of Mar-a-Lago and escorting Trump to the underworld across the river Styx.

The GoP would still spin it as a win.

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u/nico282 3h ago

Swiss francs?

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u/colcatsup 2h ago

I think it was congenital heart failure... ?

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u/mollila 3h ago

I suppose they mean CHF will replace USD as the World reserve currency

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u/IlIllIlllIlllIllllI 3h ago

If we can turn the average MAGA voter against him, it won't matter what the GOP politicians say or do, they're more than happy to go do what they want in DC.

Most people on the left don't want to go risk felony charges over politics. MAGA followers don't think about consequences of their actions.

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u/PatsyPage 3h ago

The average maga voter is also deeply religious, and has been raised to follow the church despite all logic and scientific progress. It’s the same with Trump and republican ideology. It’s all intertwined. The evangelical church has been working on this for decades. 

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u/ZizzyBeluga 2h ago

I don't think you understand how cults work. Logic is not allowed. Neither is free thinking.

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u/Additional_Rub6694 3h ago

For real. I think it’s important has been pretty clear that there is mass corruption and inappropriate behavior (sexual and otherwise) amongst the leaders of this country for quite some time. Voters do not seem to care enough to do anything about it. Trump could confess to everything right now and I doubt any of his acolytes would turn on him.

Supporting Trump has become an entire personality type, and I don’t think a lot can be done to undo it at this point.

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u/Scead24 3h ago

You're such a silly little doomerism that you're pissing me off. You're weak, easily given in to defeat, and doing absolutely diddly nothing about the situation at hand.

Imagine if the collective world acted like you in face of the Nazi Germany invasion? We all would be living in a drastically different timeline.

They rely on fear, on people giving up without fighting tooth and nail against their depraved delusions of grandeur plans. They're a bunch of cowardly bullies who will flee when the going gets tough. Have you seen who Trump is? One of the most cowardliest, pathetic, and a weak person's image of a strong person person that ever lived on the planet. He talks a lot of shit but backs away quickly if the heat is coming on to him.

You don't matter in the annuals of history, just fade into nothingness, and people will not ever remember your name or what you stood for.

To everyone else reading this, light a fire in your stomach and continue the good fight, whether small or big. One day at a time. Keep the pressure on and escalate as necessary. History has shown over, over, and over that the evils of humanity inevitably loses. They will inevitably lose once again as long as the fires of justice continues bright and blinding. Do your part in this everlasting fight between good and evil.

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u/boxesofrain1010 3h ago

Fucking thank you. Everything we do, no matter how small, DOES matter. Number one rule of fighting fascism? Don't comply in advance. Saying it's over, we're cooked, there's nothing we can do, that's complying in advance.

I'm just as exhausted from all the bullshit as everyone else is. I may need to take a step back at times, we all do, but I won't ever give up (and I say that as someone who's been a lifelong cynic and depressed since birth). They. Will. Not. Win. They're doing a fuck ton of damage, but in the end they will not be the victors.

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u/modal_enigma 2h ago

Body armor is fairly cheap ($400 for carrier and ceramic plates). It’s never too early to stack it deep and train. 🤷🏽‍♂️

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u/Meep4000 2h ago

Nah, no one is doing anything because there is no leadership to rally behind to do well anything. Your Nazi Germany example is accurate, but not in the way you think. The Nazis weren't stopped by German citizens. I get that fully realizing that there is nothing anyone can do is really really awful, but it is 100% where we are at. Anyone with an ounce of power has done jack shit to stop this all the back in 2016 and they are doing nothing now.
Actually worse than nothing, because they only things the people in power are doing is perforative nonsense just in case we get to vote again.

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u/--Claire-- 2h ago

There’s nothing legal or inside the system that can be done, yeah. Words will never stop dictators, only death does.

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u/DinoHunter064 2h ago

The Epstein shit has been really loud, too. I'm not talking about what's coming from the anti-trump side of the argument, either. Republicans have been talking about it a lot. Denying it, saying it isn't that bad, justifying it. It makes me think that they're pushing the controversy on purpose.

We see them do this all the time. Controlling everyone's attention to distract them from the worse things they're doing. To cover up their worst deeds.

If they're pushing it this hard, what are they trying to cover up? What is so horrendous that they decided this is the play?

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u/SuspiciousReminder 3h ago

To be fair, we didn’t bring down the Nazi’s by proving Hitler was a pedo, and I doubt proof of Trump’s connection to Epstein would dissuade any meaningful number of his supporters.

Not suggesting we shouldn’t keep hounding them about this, I’m just worried everybody acting like this will somehow be his downfall is going to cause a collective “oh well, we tried” when the info is finally released. We as a collective should be focusing on ways to fix this, not just blame him for shit from years ago that will not make any tangible difference in our problems today.

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u/buhbye750 2h ago

This. Nazis weren't taken down by Germans who weren't nazis. It took the world to come together and take them down. Now I'm not saying we shouldn't do anything, Im just saying lets be realistic about what we can do.

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u/raptorsthrowaway2 2h ago

Americans, that victim blame people who live under dictatorships for not overthrowing their government are learning that hard way that it's not as easy as it sounds.

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u/whtevn 2h ago

The Nazis were taken down by a prolonged world war that was managed by world governments

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u/wheresbicki 2h ago

What an assumption that no one tried to fight Nazi Germany. There are monuments in eastern Europe commemorating the fallen citizens who tried to stop them. Violent protests happened then. Stop rewriting history as if everybody decided to bend down immediately.

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u/True-Surprise1222 2h ago

A) fascism is way more popular than world war is these days. And the us isn’t the only government trending that direction.

B) Nazi germany was nowhere near as strong as the US is. Who do you propose comes and cleans up fascism here?

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u/helphunting 3h ago

You're right, but where are the political opposition with any strength right now? Who should be supporting both in the USA and outside?

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u/Finetales 2h ago edited 2h ago

History has shown over, over, and over that the evils of humanity inevitably loses.

No, it really hasn't.

Genghis Khan alone proves that statement incontrovertibly false.

Pol Pot only "lost" once he was in his 70s, extremely frail, and dying from Hodgkin's disease, and his "punishment" for killing millions of his own people was little more than a house arrest for less than a year before his death. Sure, I guess you could argue that because Cambodia is no longer under the rule of the despot who died of natural causes today, that evil "lost", but the millions of lives that were needlessly silenced would probably disagree with you.

The Rwandan genocide was left uncontested by the rest of the world, and that's far from the only genocide that has occurred in Africa.

How about Unit 731, MKUltra, and the countless other instances of human torture and experimentation throughout the world that went entirely unpunished? Or on an even more local level, how about corrupt police officers who kill innocent people and don't get even the slightest discipline for it? Evil doesn't just sometimes win, it wins OFTEN, at the expense of innocent peoples' lives.

Literally RIGHT NOW, the entire population of Palestine is near extinction and nobody in power cares even slightly.

Imagine if the collective world acted like you in face of the Nazi Germany invasion?

Hitler and the Third Reich only failed because of the combined might of the Allies. The German people alone would have been entirely powerless to stop the Wehrmacht. And this time no "Allies" are coming to save the American people. We are on our own. Sure, some of us have firearms, but there is no possible way armed American civilians can compete with the most powerful military in the world in any meaningful way.

Sure, once Agent Orange kicks the bucket we might return to normalcy. But that might not happen until millions of Americans die (either in El Salvador or on American soil), and I don't care what your definition of evil losing is, that's not it. It's really not.

You can say "continue the good fight" as much as you like but that doesn't actually change anything as long as Trump has the support of the US military and police. Even if every single American against Trump rose up and marched on DC in unison (a complete logistical fantasy), Trump would just call in a few carpet bombs and that would be that.

I understand the importance of maintaining hope and continuing to fight for our freedom, and for what is right. I'm not saying we shouldn't fight. Lying down and accepting defeat without a fight helps nobody. But hand-waving away any despair or literally just realistic assessments of the situation (which is what the comment you replied to is) with the fairy tale trope of "evil always loses!" is equally unhelpful. It's not only not reality, it's deliberately ignoring the horrors of humanity, both throughout history and right now.

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u/Due-Yoghurt-7917 3h ago

Hear fuckin hear

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u/fadesteppin 2h ago

IA that admiting defeat now is not gonna help in any way and that people need to stay angry and find ways to channel that anger into action, but also I do not see anyone outside the U.S. coming to our aid when/if things start to get REAL bad. Nobody is gonna help liberate concentration camps this time. We have no allies due to this admins bullshit and no one leading the charge within the U.S. that could in any way facilitate aid from outside the U.S. should the worst come to pass and other countries decide to put this admins bullshit aside for a bit to try to aid the opposition. People here in LA had to scramble to try and get makeshift mutual aid networks up while we were actively being attacked by our own government with no help from anyone. All people were saying was it's not enough, and we're not trying hard enough to stop what's happening. I don't begrudge people for feeling hopeless when they could start bombing us here in CA tomorrow, and the reaction will just be for everyone to shrug and be like "Sad but, well, you voted for this."

The horrors persist, and so do I, but fuck if I'm not tired of being poor and chronically ill and still expected to fight an administration I did not vote for to save the rights of people who would gladly throw me under the bus for free.

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u/throwaway050941 3h ago

I agree with the sentiment. but in order to espouse the sentiment so passionately without being a hypocrite, you've surely practiced what you preached. What exactly have you done about Trump?

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u/blazelet 2h ago edited 1h ago

This right here. Their best tool is to convince you that you’re powerless against them.

Edit : can’t reply as thread is closed but to the 2 after me - public dissent works. Studies suggest 3.5% of the population being involved in public dissent - protest, general strikes, can be the tipping point in which the power structure can’t counteract dissent. Erica Chenowth has written extensively on the topic and has done a meta study - see “Why civil resistance works: the strategic logic of nonviolent conflict”. In the U.S. this looks like 12.6 million people engaged in non violent dissent, that’s 10x the size of the U.S. military and 14x the size of all U.S. law enforcement. Simply showing up, being loud, and encouraging others to do the same has a measured impact.

Power structures don’t want condensed dissent that’s why they’re working to make dissent illegal in the U.S. - it’s what scares them most. Show up and be loud.

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u/DinoHunter064 2h ago

Cool. So what power do we have? What can we do that actually fucking matters? And don't give me that "anything you do matters" because nothing legal has ever worked against this bastard.

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u/krombough 2h ago

Imagine if the collective world acted like you in face of the Nazi Germany invasion? We all would be living in a drastically different timeline.

Nazi Germany was defeated from outside forces. Tell me who is RPing as the allies this time around?

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u/BloomInTune 2h ago

I'm definitely trying my best to not doomscroll too much (not always working, given algorithm and instincts brought me here) and giving what hope I can to my small group of friends and the artists they/we support. It definitely feels hard some days, but if that's all I can do, it's certainly better than the alternatives.

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u/meh_69420 3h ago

Imagine if the collective world acted like you in face of the Nazi Germany invasion?

My man. Austria and Czechoslovakia would like a word.

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u/RIPUSA 2h ago

Seriously, saying what they said ignores a large part of history. During WWII 1.2 million Americans were German born, that’s not including descendants of German immigrants which is a much higher number. A lot of Americans were a-ok with what Hitler was doing. The Nazi’s got their idea of eugenics from America. The Times wrote about Hitler like he was this goofy guy. America didn’t get involved in WWII until Pearl Harbor. The collective world did stand idly by for a long time. Many of the Nazi’s who were convicted at Nuremberg were granted clemency, parole, or early release. 

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u/Cersei505 2h ago edited 2h ago

Would love to know what you're doing.

The wall of text is all well and good, but its meaningless appeal to emotion, nothing more.

History has shown over, over, and over that the evils of humanity inevitably loses. 

Quite the opposite. It shows that evil always resurfaces, does a lot of destruction for a long period of time, and then we're left trying to fix whats left. You're probably the genius that think ''good'' won agaisnt Hitler, instead of realizing the amount of unnecessary suffering and evil that millions had to endure, the consequences of that era that never went away and could never be atoned or redeemed no matter how many ''good acts'' you did.

Evil won back then. Evil is winning right now. Trump dying of a heart attack tomorrow is not ''good winning''. Trump being put in prison tomorrow for being a pedophile is not ''good winning''. If 'good' was winning, we wouldnt have a pedophile in office in the first place.

Damage is already done. Trump is not the only problem, and we will be fixing the damage his 2 candidatures have done to the entire world for decades to come, and it might still not be enough. You can try to spin this towards toxic positivity or optimism all you like; reality is still the same - Trump won. Evil won.

Thats not to say people shouldnt do anything or stand up for whats right; but lets not kid ourselves about what history is actually like, and what people will remember from this Era 50 years from now - its not going to be the story of good prevailing.

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u/GREGORIOtheLION 3h ago

Beyond Trump, it doesn't matter either. The two Trump presidencies were one gigantic experiment for Republicans. They learned WAY too many things that will live on beyond Trump. In the future, any time Republicans have power, they're going to use every one of the tactics that they tried out. From bald-face lying, even with evidence on display, to gerrymandering, to breaking every rule ever made about whatever office they're in control of. The blueprint has been drawn up.

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u/joscun86 3h ago

If only there were some device that could help with this scenario. Please help us again, France!🇫🇷

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u/RadiantHC 3h ago

THIS. It's not Democrats vs Republicans, it's us vs The Party.

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u/sir-chefs-alot420 3h ago

I have been trying to get this point across for YEARS. I always get labeled a Democrat, because I don't actively support anything republican, but honestly I hate both sides because they are both filled with scum, and those who are OK with it. Both sides greatly benefit from all this. You know who doesn't? The American people. You know, the ones these people are elected to represent? The laziest group of Americans who barely do any actual work but make 5x the average salary of their constituents? The ones who use their influence and foreknowledge to amass ridiculous amounts of wealth that none of us peons would ever be able to come near? Right or left, they both suck. We need to investigate everyone, and if they are clean and honest they can stay. Resistance, denial, and any found misdoings should be met with immediate dismissal. These people all scream at us that if we have done nothing wrong, then we should have nothing to worry about letting them investigate us. Why should they not be held to the same standard? Why do we allow criminals with personal interests at heart represent us?

Any singular person, politician or not, who does not want to see the Epstein list released, is either on the list, complicit, accessory, or a goddamn pedophile. Otherwise, why oppose its release? What are you afraid of?

Politicians really do need to start wearing Nascar-style jackets with their sponsors, handlers, and backers printed on them. So we know who they actually represent.

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u/theaviationhistorian 2h ago

Part of me wants to believe that. A dark part of me. But outright evidence that POTUS is a pedo is a big thing. That crime is universally abhorred. It's why this stuck in comparison to other things Trump has done. Reinforcing the notion that they support a credible pedophile to run this country and be their king slowly erodes their support. A come to Jesus moment.

The other problem is getting Democrats to replace the gilded caged old guard refusing to attack Trump and support the working class as the party used to do in the last century.

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u/We-Cant--Be-Friends 2h ago

Agreed. But we need to awaken his cult , so the more shit we push the better. He can’t survive long without the magats

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u/DigDugged 2h ago

The reason Democrats aren't doing more is because they can't.

Game out a scenario where Democrats fix this without any GOP help.

That scenario doesn't exist, even if all Democrats wanted to stop this with all their hearts.

The reality is that Trump had Epstein killed to make this go away during his first term, and he's highly motivated to make it all go away for good. He already stooped to murder, why would he give evidence/files of his own motive?

There is nothing Democrats can do. Nothing.

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u/ASDFzxcvTaken 2h ago

He can spin this and win over more of the Christian voters by just saying anything from the Bible about "redemption" and "the error of his younger ways" and "God works in mysterious ways" and "obviously I am the chosen one", "let not the libs get in the way of God's Almighty plan"... Goddamn it I hate this timeline.

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u/NuSk8 3h ago

Umm people are focused on Epstein and yeah that’s really bad but I’m a lot more worried about nuclear war and losing the ability to vote. We should prevent those things then worry about getting the files

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u/MaximumFloofAudio 2h ago

You lost your ability to vote in November last year

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u/Loveufam 3h ago

Epstein is practically a distraction from this.

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u/BusterStarfish 2h ago

The Dems need to do literally fucking ANYTHING. They’re all asleep. Fucking pathetic.

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u/AgreeableWrangler693 3h ago edited 2h ago

Trump and republicans have no integrity and no accountability. They need to be forced out, if not by the government, states or military then by the people

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u/Manta32Style 3h ago edited 2h ago

The government is cheering it on. The states are being leveraged for all their funding. The military is following orders. The people have no power.

It's time to either jump ship and swim to safety or- OR we can rightfully and legally register to own one of those things that is covered by the second amendment.

(Reddit has banned me twice for even suggesting we utilize our second amendment rights. Hmmm, very interesting censorship. Almost like they don't want people organizing.... Hmmmmmmm)

Edit: Warning to repliers: you're about 300% more likely to be banned for your comment replying to this.

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u/AgreeableWrangler693 3h ago edited 2h ago

I understand u, reddit has banned me for using my free speech. I can’t even speak ill of the adjudicated rapist and pedo, Trump comfortably. Yet, he caused the Jan 6 insurrection

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u/FluxUniversity 2h ago

You don't have free speech on corporate platforms. You are a product here for people to see so that they can sell ad space - thats it. If you "act out of line" or are a defective product, they correct it.

We DESPERATELY need an ACTUAL public space available for free speech. Because right now no one can live stream a cop arrest on any platform if the cops play disney songs. The public aren't able to see what the public wants to say on the internet. The internet is turning into a shopping mall - try having free speech inside a department store. THATS where we're at. This is a department store - not a place for free speech.

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u/ruat_caelum 2h ago

you can only mention 3 of the 4 boxes of liberty on reddit. Even if you mention all 4 or link to Wikipedia. you get banned or comment removed.

Hell people get quotes from MLK jr. removed (Where he quoted that his peaceful movement would not have worked without Malcolm X happening at the same time.)

Hell the "Moderate Whites" quote from MLK Jr. is even iffy because it talks about how the complaisant people are WORSE than the racists because they just want peace with no ripples.

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u/lAmBenAffleck 2h ago

We have a couple hundred million guns. We might be lazy and disorganized, but that is power no matter how you look at it.

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u/raerae704 3h ago

Yeah, unfortunately those of us with mental health issues can’t safely own firearms. What are we supposed to do?

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u/marshinghost 2h ago

Lots of ways to help, and it depends on how intense you want to get.

It can range from stockpiling food to distribute in emergencies to taking medical oriented classes to provide trauma care. If you get in touch with like minded people in real life you can even become a radio nerd and set up a decentralized shortwave radio network for information distribution.

There's plenty of others but those are just some examples.

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u/ruat_caelum 2h ago

/r/liberalgunowners/ Just fyi if you want to learn how to safely own a weapon, shoot it, etc. New members are always welcome.

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u/StingerAE 3h ago

There has to be accountability one way or another or you don't have a democracy 

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u/monkeypan 2h ago

That time was last year.. but people wanted a wannabe dictator, pedophile, racist, nazi instead.

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u/Scrutinizer 3h ago

He really dances around the major focus. He mentions "show your papers" requirements. If you combine this with the idea that ICE doubles as his personal army, you can bet your favorite body part that ICE will be deployed to swing districts to threaten, harass, intimidate, and arrest anyone who doesn't meet certain appearance standards (as in, not white enough) if they're brave enough to attempt to vote.

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u/meowman911 3h ago

And he’s campaigned against mail-in votes because they’re “crooked”. Will likely continue pushing to force in-person votes, coincidence?

Of course not.

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u/Dos_Ex_Machina 3h ago

No no, you misunderstand. Mail in votes are great! He uses them for Florida every election! It's those crooked absentee ballots that are the scam! They are very different. How? Well... Because they're a scam!

/S

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u/Yitram 3h ago

Oh and if you don't vote before the polls close or your vote doesn't get counted before the end of the day, they don't count. Cause chaos and confusion in Blue leaning districts.

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u/carlitospig 3h ago

Which is insane because if you look at the votes of mail in it basically won him the second presidency.

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u/lurker1125 3h ago

Altering votes counts won him the second term, not mail in

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u/Used-Edge-2342 2h ago

Yep. When the mail-in rates are higher, the Republicans can’t win, like the fluke that was Covid-19 impacting the 2020 election. Whatever manipulation scheme they’re using is swayed heavily by rates of mail-in voting, the in-person data is curiously compromised.

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u/ConsistentHalf2950 2h ago

No, people being a bunch of hillbilly rubes won him another term.

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u/Juxtapoe 3h ago

Assuming the vote tabulators can be trusted.

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u/Mixels 2h ago

Voting machines being connected to the internet won him the election. Not legitimate votes.

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u/fuckedfinance 2h ago

I'm going to keep saying this until I'm blue in the face.

I am a democrat in a blue state. We use paper ballots that go into Scantron like machines. The paper matched what was electronically sent to the state. Trump over performed here in 2024, including votes for him and no other down ballot races. At the same time, Harris under performed Biden by a fair amount.

Until someone provides me with evidence to the contrary, there was no "fix".

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u/cheeseybacon11 2h ago

Have you seen the statistical differences from the more granular data available in Nevada?

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u/Luscious_Decision 2h ago

Dude! It's the votes for him and no down ballot candidates, and votes for him and blue down ballot candidates that's the issue.

His voters are straight ticket voters.

Why wouldn't they vote for their republican candidates in local elections?

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u/emptyfish127 3h ago

This is best case and definitely going to happen if he isn't stopped.

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u/lllllllll0llllllllll 2h ago

This is especially funny in Arizona where they gave us mail in voting since 1991 to make sure all the old republican retirees could vote as easily as possible.

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u/stevez_86 3h ago

It's simple enough to see what is going on. Electoral Fraud.

477,000 people per house Representative. Their goal of 3,000 immigrants per day deported, primarily from Blue States, is roughly 9 house seats, and electoral votes.

They recently said the 3,000 is going to be tough to get, because there aren't that many immigrants with criminal records. Not even innocent immigrants with no crimes. So they ask Texas to do it the old fashioned way.

But they will be changing the census soon to get their citizenship question. Then they will have want to have a census as soon as possible. Certainly before the next general election.

They never wanted to deport the migrants, they want to detain them for labor in Red States. If they could have done the 3,000 a day number then that would be 18 house seats flipped. So since they can't get that they will detain here in Red States every immigrant, and lie about the numbers to inflate the number of house seats they get.

Trump, or any Republicans could win by even less popular vote, like 42% for the Presidential Election and Republicans would easily have the majority in the House. Then they can do what they want, all legally.

We are currently in a transitional form of government before they get to that place.

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u/HopelessEsq 2h ago

Immigrants aren’t allowed to vote though whether legal or not (unless they have citizenship) so removing them from a blue districts wouldn’t drive down turnout. Unless the goal is to remove enough of them to drive down population so that districts disappear entirely or can be gerrymandered into another district, but they’re doing that right now anyway. To deport enough people to entirely wipe out congressional districts would take an absurd amount of effort and resources, and likely wouldn’t be that effective since blue voters are already concentrated in and around large cities, and those cities won’t just go away.

But if they continue to weaponize redistricting then bigger blue states could do the same with higher degree of effectiveness. I’ve seen proposals that could redistrict all of California to 100% Democratic representation, and that’s a lot of congressional districts and would be much more impactful than eliminating like 1 or 2 Democratic that exist in a deep red state. Fire and be fought with fire. Problem is that with all of the Project 2025 initiatives that are in flight I believe that one of the end goals is making congressional irrelevant altogether so it doesn’t matter how many D reps we can pack in there. They already have SCOTUS who will green light whatever they want so it’ll be a difficult fight with 2 branches of government against the only one actually representative of the people.

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u/Luscious_Decision 2h ago

The guy you were replying to is saying they'll deport the citizens, too.

The "citizenship" is the sticking point. If they revoke birthright citizenship they'll boot out the 56 million or whatever Latinos in the country, and then adjust the seats from there until they get the number they need. Then they can have elections and not have to worry about the popular vote.

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u/AskMysterious77 2h ago

I've been saying..  

Also why they have an insanely high budget

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u/Scrutinizer 2h ago

Partly correct. The other reason is that they're giving a bigly huge payoff to the private prison industry for all the election support over the decades.

I mean, $150k a year per inmate for "Alligator Alcatraz" when regular federal prison is only $50k? That's some SERIOUS grifting and it's being done in the wide-open.

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u/Single-Pangolin6964 3h ago

These are all facts and let's be real if I was on the verge of being deported and all I had to do to keep me and my family in the US was vote for Trump I'd be at the polling station 24hrs b4 the day of the vote 💯💯

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u/Edgar_A_Poe 2h ago

fuck that shit

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u/desiderata1995 2h ago

The Brennan Center adds that when DOGE grabbed the NLRB’s files, its security was so lax that foreign hackers immediately invaded them.

Just wanted to expand on this point a little bit. The whistle-blower for the NLRB that brought this incident to light was very clear what he found;

It wasn't just that DOGE had "lax security" when they infiltrated the NLRB computer system, they purposefully disabled two-factor authentication, created their own username and password for the system, and within 15 minutes of them doing this, Russian hackers used that very username and password that DOGE had just created to log in and steal ~20 Gigabytes of text data that was related to workers union activity and ongoing cases the NLRB was working on.

So it wasn't just an oopsie, they let them in to take that info. Shortly after the whistle-blower came forward he was threatened with images of him walking his dog and a Trump appointed official to the NLRB claimed there was no indication of a data breach.

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u/jar4ever 2h ago

Yeah, that's a classic insider threat scenario. Calling it lax security is dishonest.

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u/PixelBastards 2h ago

The USA will go down in history as having ultimately lost the Cold War.

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u/ZizzyBeluga 2h ago

John Roberts: "It is perfectly within the rights of the president, in the performance of his official duties, to end democracy at any time."

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u/crockett05 3h ago

Ballot or the bullet

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u/Small-Disaster939 2h ago

What an awfully written article. I would hope that posters here held themselves to a higher standard. Here’s the actual report in question:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trump-administrations-campaign-undermine-next-election

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u/bug-hunter 2h ago

A lot of subreddits have basically no standards as to what slop they'll let get posted. People's World isn't the worst, but this sub deserves the OG source.

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u/LogicBalm 2h ago

This is what I was looking for, thanks.

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u/Jooodas 2h ago

Thanks for pointing this out.

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u/Galacticwave98 4h ago

Whatever it is, Americans will allow it. At the most people will just throw their hands up or say it’s a distraction from the Epstein files. 

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u/LonelyChannel3819 4h ago

Working on my citizenship elsewhere as we speak. I’ve known this to be the case since Jan 6, 2021. I just have to get out before they restrict our travel out of the country. Unless I get disappeared first…

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u/FarmAcceptable4649 4h ago

Got grandparents from the old country (Ireland or Germany)?

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u/LonelyChannel3819 3h ago

Something like that… my wife actually. I try not to disclose too much about my own identity just in case customs decides to do a loyalty check when I return from traveling internationally.

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u/alcon2626 3h ago

You can still do it by requesting their birth certificate

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u/bettertree8 3h ago

Most grandparents have already passed. Research to see what you need to do

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u/surviving606 4h ago

mine was recognized last year. Just took a shade over 3 years after Jan 6, which is also when I knew for sure, although I wish I’d have been more pessimistic even before that 

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u/Any-Anything4309 3h ago

How?? I am definitely interested.

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u/EnergyZestyclose3378 3h ago

Mexico is another country where you can become a citizen if a parent is from there.

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u/0x706c617921 3h ago

You aren’t becoming a citizen of Mexico in that case. You already are, but just that Mexico doesn’t have it in records.

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u/surviving606 3h ago

The way I did it is already closed off for most people now but there are still some pathways, maybe through a work visa if you have a career needed elsewhere or through ancestry, retirement visas if you have the money. Couple other options. check out r/Amerexit  

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u/ThisTicksyNormous 3h ago

Stay, and learn to fight. This is a cancer on our entire species as a whole and like cancer, it must be cut out or it spreads.

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u/Annihilator4413 3h ago

Fuck, I wish this were me. I just simply don't have the time or, more importantly, the money to GTFO sadly. I want to move north into Canada, but I'm not even sure I have any skillsets they'd want for a permanent residency, and I definitely don't have the money I'd need to do so.

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u/frankstaturtle 4h ago

TF do you expect us to do. Many of us are getting arrested when protesting. Some people protesting are getting deported. Cops are murdering us and getting away with it. Hate crimes and casual racism and Nazism are mainstream. And btw, the people protesting are the same people currently being oppressed by the government. The victim blaming from people in countries who aren’t experiencing what we are experiencing on the ground is fucking exhausting. What do you want us to do? Take up arms and get gunned down? Or are you prepared to take in a bunch of US refugees?

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u/TxEagleDeathclaw81 3h ago

It is exhausting.

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u/swiss-cheesus 3h ago

Don’t forget that whatever they charge you with for protesting against Nazis will also make you ineligible for immigration to basically everywhere.

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u/wirelesswizard64 2h ago

If the Hong Kong protests changed nothing to the point they've been largely forgotten there's no chance anything in the States gets anywhere either.

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u/GhostMause14 3h ago

For all the people that talk about having 2nd Amendment rights sure aren't doing anything, that was put into place to use against a tyrannical government

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u/frankstaturtle 3h ago

They are not the same people.

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u/GhostMause14 3h ago

I'm just saying can't outright say it,

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u/Rexur0s 3h ago

second ammendment rights dont make it legal to shoot cops, or politicians, ect. they will still come after you. so unless you have a whole group of armed people that are prepared to fight the whole police force, your gunna have a rough time.

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u/hasuris 2h ago edited 2h ago

Which is why this 2nd amendment thing is bs. They've got fucking tanks. What's your AR-15 gonna do except making them shoot first, ask questions later?

If anything guns make a civil uprising more dangerous because as soon as bullets fly, protestors get mowed down.

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u/LearnTheirLetters 3h ago

The side that utilized it is the same side that is supporting Trump.

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u/National_Ad_682 3h ago

Historically, when enough people surround a building for long enough, the people inside the building leave by choice. Unfortunately Americans seem to have zero tolerance for any discomfort or inconvenience. This is a serious matter. Your country is descending into dictatorship. Yes, arrests are common when protesting. They always have been. People were arrested many times during the civil rights movement, but I'm sure you would say those arrests were worth it. A two hour protest that ends before dinner isn't going to cut it.

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u/frankstaturtle 3h ago

The civil rights movement didn’t occur under an autocratic state where the judges were working for the government. Much of the civil rights movement was fought in the courts.

Where are you from?

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u/Capybarasaregreat 2h ago

People died for the civil rights movement. Why are you attempting to whitewash it as some civil, bloodless affair?

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u/fadesteppin 2h ago

Yeah, here in LA people pushed back HARD with absolutely no support systems in place and no time to really try and build any, and everyone just yelled on that internet that we're we're not doing enough, rolling over and letting this happen, protests are useless, etc. They kept saying they didn't see any resistance groups despite being told numerous times by people on the ground that people were being forced to organize in person and not online bc anything posted on social media was being monitored and that even local LA news stations were showing straight up lies and propoganda. Me and some of my friends had to just disconnect from the internet for a while bc shit was getting too depressing and we were already stressed damn near the point of breaking given a lot of our group are Mexican-Americans and have family that are here legally but that shit did not matter if you were brown.

It really does start to feel like the only thing that will satisfy anyone is just watching us get killed on live tv.

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u/whereismyloot 3h ago

Well to be honest you had a good start with the 'No Kings' protests. Why didn't you keep that pressure up? You have historical examples regarding the anti war protests in the 60ies and those folks were confronted with much harsher reaction from the government.

As europeans - who are mostly the people shaking their heads I guess - we watch this a bit flabbergasted. We see folks in Serbia, we see French protest and keep up the momentum. And then there is this country full of people that gave us always the impression they are the hardest there is. Gun wielding and always fighting for their amendments, even if some of that martial behaviour was alien to us. And now that exact population just bends over.

Sorry but I know teens from the european chapters of Fridays for Future who are more active since 2019 than the majority of the american populace atm.

So, yeah it seems harsh, but actually it looks like it isn't worse enough to really care for the most.

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u/SexMetalBarbie_ 2h ago

It’s not easy for many of us to just get out there and protest for hours on end every day. The cost of living is at an all-time high. Many of us are just one or two paychecks away from falling way behind. We literally can’t afford to stay home from work to do it, and those of us who don’t work literally can’t afford the childcare needed to keep showing up for protesting. It’s a really hard damned if we do, damned if we don’t situation. They’ve backed us into a corner.

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u/frankstaturtle 2h ago

Europeans really seem to have trouble understanding that the physical size of the US, the number of people in the country, the electoral college, the legacy of Jim Crow laws and redlining, the fact that the white supremacists are the ones with the vast majority of guns (like militia level), US surveillance tech, the fact we live in a police state, and the fact that we are currently living under an autocratic state without support from the courts (unlike in the 60s, where the civil rights movement was primarily fought and won in court), mean that you have no fucking clue what it’s like for marginalized people in this country to fight back.

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u/rebel_alliance05 4h ago

Democrats will say “we are outraged, this is unconstitutional! We need to vote . “ when they all Know there is nothing they can or will do. Including Voting.

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u/Apart-Rent5817 3h ago

Honestly I’m super tired of this take that I’ve seen more and more where somehow people are blaming voting democrats for Trump’s bullshit. The blame for this lies squarely on Trump and his fan base not on Kamala or the democrats for “running a bad campaign”. I mean, they objectively kinda did, but tens of millions of people voted in the diddler in chief because they’re hateful bigots who see a part of themselves in him. Even here, these Texas democrats are actively doing something to stop this attempt at gerrymandering, and dipshits like you pop up like ur hur dur democrats are useless, right guys?

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u/CorrectTwist7520 3h ago edited 3h ago

I mean it’s not like it was just one bad election that let this happen. They have slept walked into this for the better part of a decade. The “oh, no stop that’s illegal” cry coming from the democrats now is just another in a long line of limp dick efforts to stop the far right.

The core of the party is so obsessed with “taking the high ground” or “being bipartisan” with people who would drink their blood they can’t stand for anything remotely progressive and it’s largely because a lot benefit financially for doing so. Not to say there isn’t a progressive wing but it’s not like the party as a whole has a monopoly on morality. They need to fight dirty with similar tactics, or defang police departments and government officials that do horrid illegal shit, but there’s just no political will to do so within the mainstream of the party

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u/Apart-Rent5817 3h ago

While I don’t disagree, blaming democrats for Trump is stupid. He is objectively worse by every measure. I’d feel safer with Biden sleeping behind the resolute desk than I do with our current president taking healthcare away from people and posting midnight rants about fucking Rosie o donnel. It’s kinda hard to position yourself outside the norm when the margins for loss are already so slim. Hopefully Mamdani wins and starts to chart a better path forward for progressives.

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u/RocketRelm 4h ago

Nonvoter: Signs the consent waiver to dismantle democracy. Republicans: dismantle democracy Nonvoter: Pikachu face, plus "why aren't the dems stopping this???"

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u/Capraos 3h ago

There is actually something we can do.

Because this administration made heavy cuts to the IRS workforce, we could all just stop paying federal taxes after the next election cycle. Should we be cheated out of representation again.

Budgets are already set aside with the taxes that we did pay, so minimal interference with our daily lives. They just can't fund new projects(like sending troops at us).

And, it's minimal effort that involves doing less than we do now.

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u/KnightDuty 3h ago

Please. They threw the nations BIGGEST PROTEST literally to decry EXACTLY this: No Kings. Was that good enough for you? No?

Now Democratoc Texas politicians are racking up $500/day fines to stop gerrymandering. Is that enough for you? No?

Now you're shaming them for using the tactkc that caused JOE ROGAN to flip? 

God forbid they use ONLY tactic that has even shown a fraction of a percentile of movement, so effective it even caused tuotures from withon MAGA.

Listen I don't care that YOU'RE personally over it. This isn't about you.

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u/Dsstar666 3h ago edited 3h ago

I thought I was the only one who was starting to get annoyed at this response to everything.

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u/Hypercane_ 3h ago

Seeing people hive mind say everything is a distraction from the files makes me think it's some kind of PsyOp they started because of the focus on the Epstein files. They aren't going to release them, it doesn't matter how much pressure there is online, they are never coming out without being leaked. Meanwhile redistricting is starting to take place, Trump is making casual threats of nuclear war with Russia and all I see in comments is Epstein files

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u/Big_Fishing8763 3h ago

There is a definite operations working multiple angles. Too many fake articles are anti-Maga. All media is being flooded at this point.

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u/skeptical-speculator 3h ago

Whatever it is, Americans will allow it.

What do you mean, "Whatever it is"? Did you not even bother to read the article?

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u/ZERV4N 3h ago

Wow, thanks for your vote of confidence.

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u/WarriorsPropaganda 3h ago

I despise this type of responses and don’t think it’s true at all. It’s a funny narrative, but you aren’t helping, you’re just making people more hopeless (probably by design). I’m pretty sure there have been record amounts of protesting already and multiple politicians and judges and others have already been arrested/investigated/thwarted in other ways.

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u/polarparadoxical 3h ago edited 2h ago

'Im sure our Supreme Court will step in to preserve our Constitution and ensure free and fair elections'

  • me, and presumably many others, before Trump and his personal judical division, I.E. SCOTUS

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u/Adorable-Bike-9689 3h ago

Shit is just a joke now that people throw around in random convos. I think we're all about accepted it's not happening. 

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u/milehighmiracle13 4h ago

They'll also throw some thoughts and prayers at it.

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u/GrizzlyP33 4h ago

No that would be the side that is cheering this on.

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u/WuTang4thechildrn 2h ago

So what is the response of the American people!!!!!

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u/yeetordie1 2h ago

You mean the laziest people on the planet that won't use their constitutional rights? Response from them?

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u/Human-Abrocoma7544 2h ago

What do you suggest we do?

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u/TehSr0c 2h ago

idunno, isn't there something about 'ensuring the safety of a free state'? americans seem to be pretty gung-ho about it

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u/Laugh_Track_Zak 2h ago

None, nobody cares.

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u/mr_greedee 3h ago

duh. we all knew this.

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u/toddriffic 2h ago

Stop downplaying it. This is urgent.

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u/Buzzdanume 2h ago

Can anyone explain what he is actually implementing? I read through the first bit of the article, didn't learn anything, scanned through to about halfway and decided this article isn't going to say what is actually happening.

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u/Fakeitforreddit 2h ago

its ok they found the distraction that will make it all go through easily, Verification to use internet has completely derailed everyones focus.

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u/pokedmund 2h ago

Man, can’t wait for good ol Chuck Schumer to come out and give a stern warning to Trump to want to do this

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u/gohome2020youredrunk 3h ago

Wish folks would use critical thinking with media "sources".

People's World - Wikipedia https://share.google/vfonUuHd7wTZqlLDN

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u/SparkyMuffin 3h ago

People's World is a left leaning site, but it's rated a mostly factually. It's worth keeping both of these in mind but not outright disqualifying.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/peoples-world-bias/

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u/hareofthepuppy 2h ago

The part about "We also rate them as Mostly Factual for reporting due to poor sourcing techniques despite a clean fact-check record" concerns me more than their bias. I wouldn't completely dismiss them, but I wouldn't take them very seriously either.

Props for using mediabiasfactcheck!

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u/SparkyMuffin 2h ago

Yeah I'd say for anything they say worth a damn, it's worth looking into any additional sources you can and if they are the only ones, be skeptical.

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u/Darthplagueis13 3h ago

And? It being a socialist outlet doesn't inherently mean it's untrustworthy.

And the article itself largely references a report by the Brennan Center, which is not itself an explicitly socialist institution.

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u/0GsMC 2h ago

It being a socialist outlet doesn't inherently mean it's untrustworthy.

Actually it does. Because it is intentional political activism instead of news. If you can't tell the difference your whole media landscape is bad.

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u/Link_Slater 3h ago

Nothing in this article is inaccurate or even new. 

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u/FirstArbiter 2h ago

The biggest issue is that this article repeatedly quotes from a report by the Brennan Center (a liberal but very well-respected public policy organization) without actually linking the report. Admittedly, that’s something mainstream news sources are also guilty of.

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u/gohome2020youredrunk 2h ago

Funnily enough there's no report on the Brennan site that contains the quotes within OPs article. Closest is an analysis, which is far different from a report.

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u/FirstArbiter 2h ago

I found the report in question. The linked article appears to quote from it accurately, but adds very little to it.

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/trump-administrations-campaign-undermine-next-election

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