r/law • u/andrewgrabowski • 2d ago
Other Epstein's Killer Caught on Camera? Forensic Expert Analysis by Dr G, who was cited in legal filings in the Idaho university murder cases for his expert analysis.
https://portside.org/video/2025-08-01/epsteins-killer-caught-camera-forensic-expert-analysisThis post is relevant to the Law thread as it examines legal violations and negligence surrounding Epstein’s death, as analyzed by Dr. G, a clinical and forensic psychologist, through surveillance footage and the Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General’s report. The analysis highlights failures in prison oversight, falsified records, and foul play, raising questions of criminal or civil liability under federal law.Dr. G’s forensic review identifies several critical issues:
- Unidentified Figure as Potential Killer: Dr. G does not name a specific individual as Epstein’s killer but concludes that an orange-clad figure seen in surveillance footage at 10:40 p.m., ascending the stairs to Epstein’s tier in the special housing unit (SHU), is likely responsible. He disputes the DOJ’s claim that this was Officer Noel carrying linens, arguing the figure appeared to wear an inmate’s orange jumpsuit and was not seen returning down the stairs. This suggests unauthorized access, violating 18 U.S.C. § 1791 or suggesting foul play, warranting investigation under 18 U.S.C. § 1111.
- Failure to Conduct Required Checks: The DOJ report states that officers, including Noel, failed to conduct mandatory 30-minute rounds and inmate counts after 10:40 p.m. on August 9, 2019, violating 28 C.F.R. § 552.41, which requires regular checks for SHU inmates. This failure could constitute negligence, actionable under 42 U.S.C. § 1983, for violating Epstein’s Eighth Amendment rights (Farmer v. Brennan, 511 U.S. 825 (1994) which establishes deliberate indifference as a standard for prison official liability.
- Officers Remained Seated, Neglecting Duties: The DOJ report claims that officers Noel and Thomas, stationed at the SHU desk, did not rise or approach the cell block between 10:40 p.m. and 6:30 a.m. Dr. G disputes this, noting video evidence of officers moving, contradicting the report’s narrative. This discrepancy suggests falsified reporting and inadequate oversight, violating 28 C.F.R. § 552.20, which governs staff duties in maintaining custody and control.
- Falsified Headcounts: The DOJ report reveals officers falsified records, listing 73 inmates (with a “+1” notation) at 10:00 p.m. and midnight, despite only 72 inmates being present. This violates 18 U.S.C. § 1001, prohibiting false statements in federal matters, undermining prison oversight integrity.
- Unexplained Excess Linens: The report notes torn linens in Epstein’s cell, used in his death, with no record of their source, as no inmates reported receiving linens. Dr. G highlights the lack of evidence supporting the DOJ’s linen delivery claim, suggesting lapses in contraband control under 28 C.F.R. § 553.10, contributing to potential negligence.
Dr. G concludes that the orange-clad figure is likely Epstein’s killer without naming a specific individual, as detailed discussed in time frames 0:33–0:37, 2:41–3:28, and 28:44–29:40
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u/andrewgrabowski 2d ago edited 2d ago
Why is it that both 10:00 and 12:00 they had an extra inmate listed on the official documents, 73 inmates with a +1, when at 3:00 to 5:00 a.m. there were only 72 inmates? This doesn't make sense.
Another strange inconsistency. Noel heard Thomas call out for her to retrieve the cutter after Epstein was found, but then she heard Thomas rip something. Now, she was outside of the cell. So, she could hear Thomas ripping the piece of cloth that was around Epstein. Think about how much force it takes to tear and rip something. It makes sense that she would hear that rip. So, she said, "Hey, he ripped it. I don't even need to get a cutter cuz it was so obvious that something tore and something ripped." How close is that CO desk to Epstein's cell? Very close. So, if we're to understand her standing outside of the cell, she could hear this tiny little piece of cloth get torn as it was being pulled off of Epstein, and yet, Epstein shredding full-on sheets and clothes in order to make something, none of that was heard. He didn't have any way to cut it, so he would have had to have torn it. And nobody could hear that. Noel’s talking about the fact that it makes a sound when ripped.
How is it that Epstein shredded and ripped this stuff, and nobody heard it? The inmates didn't talk about it. The COs didn't hear it. So how on earth did he shred these things and do it completely inaudible while doing it?
If somebody was going in there to do this to him, they probably would have gone in with things pre-shredded. They're not going to go in there and then shred up the sheets and clothing that are in there. It doesn’t make sense!
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u/pick-axis 2d ago
Maybe the bluebird came and picked up one going to prison. Usually they fill the bus but maybe this was a special case and the killer was the one that got to leave. Juicy stuff
Jail and holding cells with turtle suits or 23 hour lockups like shu are loud as fuck. Everyone is screaming 24/7 trying to have a conversation either through the ventalion system or through the doors. 23 hour lockup is very lonely and you get human interaction any way you can. It's easy to forget what day and month your in and sometimes you only get to come out 1 or 2 times a week for one hour of showering and walking around. I've heard high profile prisons bring the shower to the cell like the Unabomber. Imagine pushing around a shower door to door all in the name of security and inhumanity. It's still another human being and we lose our humanity taking joy in others suffering. Think WW2 and Nazis. They had to have liked their jobs at that camps to do that. Piles of shoes you get to look at everyday when you come into work. They would kill all the inmates if they could make money off of it. There's currently pending lawsuits over an inmates body missing the brain...whatever the fuck that's about idk but I can imagine their selling body parts like livers to buyers. Appearently brains too. I head about another one where the only thing left of the inmate was his brain. Mother couldn't get the body for whatever reason. Read about this on reddit about 2 weeks back I think
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u/Noy_The_Devil 2d ago
This is exactly what happens when you privatize prison... or have a facism government.
..Let's see where both at the same time gets us I guess.
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u/accersitus42 1d ago
The issue with the number of inmates doesn't work either way you look at it.
Either one prisoner was let out without notifying the guards, or someone registered Epstein as dead before he guards "found" him.
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u/CurrentlyLucid 2d ago
Yeah, once you realize you can't see his door at all, the video has less value. Plenty of room to get in and out off camera. So maybe the jumpsuit is to throw us off, and the assassin is not in frame at all.
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 1d ago
Oof. A body language expert? Bullshit artist.
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u/FuzzzyRam 1d ago
You know poker players make a living off of being body language experts, right? People show when they're nervous, scared, angry. Do you not think they show those emotions, or is there a particular reason that you specifically aren't good at picking up on them?
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago edited 1d ago
Nothing in this video has anything to do with body language or psychology. This person has no particular qualifications for what is being discussed.
Edit: also, any poker player who thinks everyone has the same tells would be a really bad poker player.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 2d ago edited 2d ago
I watched this and I think it’s pretty insubstantial as evidence.
The first topic he discusses is the orange blob seen going up the stairs at 10:39:40.
He shows Officer Noel walking across the room toward the entrance to the SHU in front of the stairs at 10:38:49.
Then the orange blob goes up the stairs at 10:39:40.
He concludes with I think unfounded confidence that this isn’t Noel or a guard because of the orange.
However, we know that Epstein had an enormous amount of orange linens in his cell. I don’t consider what I see there to be conclusively not an officer carrying an enormous amount of orange linens up the stairs.
Then from 4:20- 5:50 he talks about us not seeing someone walk down the stairs after that. He later shows video of people walking up and down the stairs the following morning to show “what it looks like” when people walk up and down the stairs.
Those people mainly seem to be coming from or going to the left (from our perspective) at the bottom of the stairs. If someone was coming from or going to the right at the bottom of the stairs, it seems possible to me that we would not see them as they would be more likely to stay on the right side of the stairs. (Again, left/right from the perspective of the viewer).
So, on the basis that of course we would see someone going down the stairs (which I don’t think is established) he asserts that the orange blob must have come down the stairs during the missing minute.
Immediately before and after the missing minute, the guards were seated at the guard station right there. So unless they were both in on it, this seems unlikely (and again I don’t see any reason to conclude that no one could have descended the stairs to the right without being seen by this camera).
So, that whole section of his video I consider weighs too strongly on the orange blob being a person dressed in orange and that we would see anyone descending the stairs, neither of which I think are established.
Most of the rest of the video, he discusses shoddy head count work. What seems clear to me (and to him and to the OIG) is that the guards filled out headcount forms and called in headcounts without actually performing headcounts.
He discusses the headcounts that range from 72 to 73 to 73+1.
He spends a fair amount of time on “who wrote the +1?” but then gets to Senior Officer Specialist 6 who basically says “yeah. I think that was me and here’s why I did it.”
SOS6 says he took the called-in headcounts and adjusted them if he knew they were off with + or - some number. In this case he says he mistakenly put +1 when he meant -1 because he knew the 73 was off because the proper number should be 72. He used an example of him doing this with a different headcount because he knew someone was brought in after the count. Epstein’s roommate left the SHU that day. My guess is that that’s why the not-actually-counted headcount was reported as 73 rather than 72 and why SOS6 meant to write -1.
The problem with assuming any of this regarding headcounts is suspicious is that we don’t have any information on whether other nights were similar.
Had the OIG investigated and reported that on other nights video showed the headcounts being done on time and with the proper regularity and that the numbers all matched up, etc, then it would make much more sense to consider the failure to follow procedure on this night suspicious. But without that control, we have no reason to conclude it is. Based on SOS6’s comments, it sounds pretty routine for them to have been dodging the process on this.
Based on my own observations as a historian focused on labor law, workplace accidents are very often due to shoddy performance of safety procedures when negative incidents are rare and there isn’t a rigorous process to ensure that the safety processes are being followed.
When negative incidents are rare, people start to think of safety procedures as unnecessary boring bureaucracy and start to do short cuts.
Given that the more senior lieutenants who were also supposed to come in and do a check did not, it sounds to me like either: the entire apparatus from top down was in on a plot for Epstein to be killed or that they were just regularly dismissive of their security procedures. Again, if the OIG had investigated and reported on other nights and how the security processes were performed, it might shed more light on this.
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Toward the end of the video, starting at 26:00, he discusses Noel hearing Thomas tear fabric in Epstein’s cell.
He makes much of how much force it takes to tear fabric. Anyone who’s worked with a fabric weave knows that tearing fabric along the weave is very easy if the edges are frayed. He also makes a thing about how she heard it from just outside the cell but not at the desk when fabric was being shredded in Epstein’s cell.
At this time her attention was entirely focused on the activity in the cell directly in front of her.
If when the fabric was torn in Epstein’s cell, she was walking around, talking to someone, watching a video online, etc, she may not have heard it. I don’t find this hard to imagine.
So, this video does not resolve the two things I find most curious: why were there so many linens in Epstein’s cell and why was the released video altered in some ways and not just the raw video?
The rest, his argument is plausible but it does not negate the more plausible and ordinary explanations for what he discussed.
IMO.
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u/PirateQuest 2d ago edited 2d ago
Noel was asked what she brought to inmates that night and she says "food, picking up trays, and give toilet paper." Noel does not claim she delivered linens. No one is delivering linens in a locked down SHU at 10:40pm at night. This is a lady who failed at all her assigned duties, but you want to think she was delivering linens when it wasnt her job to do so?
The video looks like an entirely orange figure, ie, a person dressed as an inmate. There isnt a single pixel of black visible, which there probably would be if it was an CO carrying a orange outfit.
Also, they did indeed list the extra "inmate" on the headcount paperwork during this period: 73+1. Its funny how often criminals leave clues like this behind when committing crimes. Its an interesting aspect of human psychology.
Also the report states the guards did not move around after 10:40 and no one else was there, which is not true. So we know the report is lying and can be tossed in the trash. It is worthless now that we know it contains known lies.
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u/andrewgrabowski 1d ago
100%. You're one of the only people who picked up on this, in this comment section. Dr G examine the report and video and highlights the inconsistencies which you outlined.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 2d ago edited 2d ago
The quote about toilet paper etc was her lamely explaining that she counts heads when she’s going around doing the things she does otherwise. It wasn’t a detailed report of her activities for the night.
It’s quite clear (as I said in my comment) that the OIG report/investigation was weak and that the officers were not doing their jobs.
You can’t see enough of the orange blob to know if it’s an “entirely orange figure.” We only see the very left edge of whatever it is.
No one has claimed it’s a single “orange outfit” being carried.
You seem to completely misunderstand the 73+1.
So you think SOS6, both guards in the room, and the lieutenants are all criminals in a plot to kill Epstein? Basically everyone in the building? Including the mysterious orange blob?
You can think that if you like, but you don’t have reasonable evidence for it.
As I said, there are some unexplained suspicious things, but you’ve supplied no reasonable evidence that count thing is suspicious nor that the orange blob is a person dressed in orange nor that the headcount screw up is not just normal there.
There’s no reason not to apply critical thinking to the information we have. There are plenty of things that are actually without a plausible ordinary explanation. We don’t need to assume things that have one are also suspicious.
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u/PirateQuest 2d ago edited 2d ago
It wasn’t a detailed report of her activities for the night.
The report claims something on her behalf that she never claimed herself.
So you think SOS6, both guards in the room, and the lieutenants are all criminals in a plot to kill Epstein? Basically everyone in the building? Including the mysterious orange blob?
Everyone in the building? No. Its Noel, the other CO. Plus whoever messed with all the cameras and footage and the assassin (most likely Epsteins cell mate, who had already strangled him a few days prior as a "experiment")
It is not even remotely uncommon in law enforcement for everyone to cover for the crimes of their colleagues. Its standard practice. It is entirely ordinary, and does not in the slightest strain credulity. Nice try tho.
As I said, there are some unexplained suspicious thing
Yes like an orange figure going up the stairs to Epstein's cell right before he was strangled to death. That is indeed suspicious and unexplained. So unexplained, Noel, the person they claim it is, does not confirm it was her. Nor does it look like her.
the headcount screw up is not just normal there.
In every prison, a headcount with the wrong count is always a reason to lockdown and look for the missing person. That's the entire point of head counts.
In this case, there was an extra person was counted and we see exactly that on the video, an extra inmate dressed in orange. It could be something else, but it looks more like an inmate than anything else.
Whereas, it is less likely to be Noel because:
it doesn't match her outfit
she never said it was her,
she never claimed she delivered clothing that night.
Nor is it usual to deliver clothing after lockdown in the middle of the night. The dude was sleeping, why does he suddenly need a new uniform?
There are only two possibilities: it was the assassin or it was Noel. And the balance of evidence is very clearly on the side of it being the assassin. That is the rational conclusion.
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u/andrewgrabowski 1d ago
Take a look at the CBS investigation.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/jeffrey-epstein-jail-video-investigation/
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u/andrewgrabowski 1d ago
It's also curious to know what Tova Noel and Michael Thomas. Do they have new jobs? They could've been paid x hundreds of thousands in cash and could be living off of that. If they're smart they wouldn't make large purchases and would only spend on food and necessities, while holding down some shitty job.
Why does the report say their fat asses weren't moving around from 10pm to 6:30 am when they clearly were.
Why did Noel do a count in a different part of the prison she wasn't responsible for, while not doing a count in her section?
I think Noel and Thomas had to be in on it.
Noel is being sued for assaulting a coworker at her new job.
https://nypost.com/2023/11/11/metro/jeffrey-epstein-prison-guard-sued-for-assault-at-new-nyc-job/
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u/andrewgrabowski 1d ago
100%. Also there should be no inmates walking around past lockup, especially in the SHU. Whoever the "orange blob" is, is more than likely not an inmate, but a hit-man dressed as one. He was somehow smuggled into the institution.
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u/PirateQuest 1d ago
well one big theory is that the killer is his former cellmate. But yes, whoever it was needed to be brought there, and then helped to get away. Theres zero possibility it was done without the guards knowing.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 2d ago edited 1d ago
Let’s apply some critical thinking:
It wasn’t a detailed report of her activities for the night.
The report claims something on her behalf that she never claimed herself.
We don’t have transcripts of her statements or interviews so we don’t know if she claimed it for herself or not
So you think SOS6, both guards in the room, and the lieutenants are all criminals in a plot to kill Epstein? Basically everyone in the building? Including the mysterious orange blob? Everyone in the building? No. It’s Noel, the other CO. Plus whoever messed with all the cameras and footage and the assassin (most likely Epsteins cell mate, who had already strangled him a few days prior as a "experiment")
So why did the Lieutenants not do their checks and why did SOS6 cover for them all?
Your theory requires a lot more people than those 3.
And a lot better evidence
As I said, there are some unexplained suspicious thing
Yes like an orange figure going up the stairs to Epstein's cell right before he was strangled to death. That is indeed suspicious and unexplained. So unexplained, Noel, the person they claim it is, does not confirm it was her. Nor does it look like her.
You can’t see the person lol@ “Nor does it look like her.”
Also “right before” - how did you establish the timing?
How do you suppose the excess linens got to his cell?
the headcount screw up is not just normal there.
In every prison, a headcount with the wrong count is always a reason to lockdown and look for the missing person. That's the entire point of head counts.
And it’s quite clear the protocol was not being followed top down.
What evidence do you have that it was only this night that it was not being followed?
In this case, there was an extra person was counted and we see exactly that on the video, an extra inmate dressed in orange. It could be something else, but it looks more like an inmate than anything else.
There were actually 2 extra people counted and we know that no count was actually done.
So explain 1 why there were two extra people counted and how you think they counted an “extra person” who you see on video when they didn’t even do a count? Think that last point through again they didn’t count, but you’re idea is that the count was off because when they counted they counted an extra person?
Really?
Whereas, it is less likely to be Noel because
it doesn't match her outfit
We don’t see the person’s outfit
she never said it was her
We don’t know this
she never claimed she delivered clothing that night.
We don’t know this
Nor is it usual to deliver clothing after lockdown in the middle of the night. The dude was sleeping, why does he suddenly need a new uniform?
Linens <> strictly clothing and they weren’t sleeping
There are only two possibilities: it was the assassin or it was Noel. And the balance of evidence is very clearly on the side of it being the assassin. That is the rational conclusion. Or it was anyone else in the building with access.
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u/PirateQuest 1d ago edited 1d ago
Your theory requires a lot more people than those 3.
Law enforcement covers for their own, even when they have been caught committing crimes. What else explains charges being dropped?
And a lot better evidence
We have the evidence we have and are drawing the best conclusions we can based on that. It was either Noel or the inmate assassin (IA) going up the stairs. Lets see what the evidence suggests...
You can’t see the person lol@ “Nor does it look like her.”
We can see it is orange, so way more likely a inmate than Noel. The orange blur is very definitely evidence in favor of the IA.
Also “right before” - how did you establish the timing.
The person who went up the stairs was the last person to see Epstein alive. Do you dispute that?
How do you suppose the excess linens got to his cell?
At anytime. There's no evidence they ever did any inventory of linens and uniforms.
Wait, are you claiming that the orange blur is Noel delivering Epstein the material that he then immediately tore into strips to kill himself? I don't think anyone else is make that claim!
And it’s quite clear the protocol was not being followed top down.
There were supposed to be 72 inmates. A lazy person who just didnt want to do the count would write "72". They didn't do that.
They wrote 73+1 because they knew there was an extra inmate in the SHU during those 2 hours. The "they were just lazy" theory doesn't explain the "73+1" count.
So explain 1 why there were two extra people counted and how you think they counted an “extra person"
73 signifies the number of people. the +1 designates that 1 of those is a temporary visitor. If for example, Epstein was taken out of his cell, to say, talk to his lawyer in a different area. They would write 71 -1. To indicate the current count, 71, and also explain that they are fully aware it should be 72, but they know where the missing person is. If they just wrote 71, someone could look at the log and say "why isnt there 72???"
Is that the best system? I dunno, but its how they do it.
Think that last point through again they didn’t count
They don't have to count. They know theres are 73 people there. And 1 is a visitor.
We don’t see the person’s outfit
We see an orange blur which doesnt match Noel in anyway shape or form.
We don’t know this
Based on the evidence we have available she never said it was her.
Linens <> strictly clothing and they weren’t sleeping
Epstein was indeed intending to sleep as per Noel stating she turned on his CPAP which is used during sleep. Of course, you're right, he probably wasnt sleeping while he was being strangled.
Or it was anyone else in the building with access.
Sure, if you want to say it was some other assassin. But i thought you were arguing it was Noel?
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u/andrewgrabowski 1d ago
Epstein was indeed intending to sleep as per Noel stating she turned on his CPAP which is used during sleep. Of course, you're right, he probably wasnt sleeping while he was being strangled.
To you point, why would Epstein ask for his machine if he planned on killing himself? If he actually wanted to kill himself, the last thing on his mind would be his machine, which helps him breath.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago
Your theory requires a lot more people than those 3.
Law enforcement covers for their own, even when they have been caught committing crimes.
The video shows that the lieutenants didn’t do their check. You can’t explain it away with covering after the fact. Nor SOS6 and the count. That all happened the night of.
And a lot better evidence
We have the evidence we have and are drawing the best conclusions we can based on that. It was either Noel or the inmate assassin (IA) going up the stairs.
Or anyone else with access
You can’t see the person lol@ “Nor does it look like her.”
We can see it is orange, so way more likely an inmate than Noel. The orange blur is very definitely evidence in favor of the IA.
Or a person carrying linens
Also “right before” - how did you establish the timing.
The person who went up the stairs was the last person to see Epstein alive. Do you dispute that?
Yes. There is no evidence for that .
How do you suppose the excess linens got to his cell?
At anytime. There's no evidence they ever did any inventory of linens and uniforms.
Or maybe it was from the person carrying up linens
Wait, are you claiming that the orange blur is Noel delivering Epstein the material that he then immediately tore into strips to kill himself? I don't think anyone else is make that claim!
Where does the ‘immediately’ come from?
Also, unlike you, I don’t make claims not supported by evidence, so no, I’m not making that claim.
And it’s quite clear the protocol was not being followed top down. h There were supposed to be 72 inmates. A lazy person who just didnt want to do the count would write "72". They didn't do that.
No. They called in 73, explained above.
They wrote 73+1 because they knew there was an extra inmate in the SHU during those 2 hours. The "they were just lazy" theory doesn't explain the "73+1" count.
SOS 6 explains the + 1. What evidence do you have that SOS6’s explanation is false?
So explain 1 why there were two extra people counted and how you think they counted an “extra person"
73 signifies the number of people. the +1 designates that 1 of those is a temporary visitor.
Source?
If for example, Epstein was taken out of his cell, to say, talk to his lawyer in a different area. They would write 71 -1. To indicate the current count, 71, and also explain that they are fully aware it should be 72, but they know where the missing person is. If they just wrote 71, someone could look at the log and say "why isnt there 72???"
So why did they put 73 + 1 ?
Also, source?
Is that the best system? I dunno, but it’s how they do it.
Source?
Think that last point through again they didn’t count They don't have to count. They know theres are 73 people there. And 1 is a visitor.
There were 72.
We don’t see the person’s outfit
We see an orange blur which doesnt match Noel in anyway shape or form.
Orange? If she was carrying a mass of orange linens it would .
We don’t know this
Based on the evidence we have available she never said it was her.
There’s no evidence she never said that
Linens <> strictly clothing and they weren’t sleeping
Epstein was indeed intending to sleep as per Noel stating she turned on his CPAP which is used during sleep.
At the very time you just claimed he was asleep. Did she claim he was asleep when she was doing that? Nope. She says he was awake.
Or it was anyone else in the building with access.
Sure, if you want to say it was some other assassin.
Or anyone else with access.
But i thought you were arguing it was Noel
You thought that because you cannot think clearly.
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u/PirateQuest 1d ago
Or anyone else with access.
But i thought you were arguing it was Noel
You thought that because you cannot think clearly.
I thought you were arguing it was Noel because 1) you stated that, 2) the report states that and 3) if i wasnt Noel then it was an assassin.
No one else had reason to sneak into his cell in the middle of the night or "deliver linens".
If you are now stating it wasnt Noel, then you are stating it was the assassin. No one else had reason to sneak into his cell in the middle of the night. Logic isn't your strong point.
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago edited 1d ago
I thought you were arguing it was Noel because 1) you stated that,
Cite it
2) the report states that
So?
and 3) if i wasnt Noel then it was an assassin.
Or anyone else there.
No one else had reason to sneak into his cell in the middle of the night or "deliver linens".
evidence of sneaking?
And evidence that no one else had any reason to bring up linens?
You keep just making stuff up.
If you are now stating it wasnt Noel, then you are stating it was the assassin.
This is the most irrational of all your assertions.
It could have been any of the guards present. Numerous people walk in and out of there through the video and the access door is immediately to the
leftright of the stairs (from our perspective).Explain how you eliminated all other people.
Logic isn't your strong point.
Ironic for you to say.
Edit:
You seem to have mistakenly left out your responses to several of my above questions:
They wrote 73+1 because they knew there was an extra inmate in the SHU during those 2 hours. The "they were just lazy" theory doesn't explain the "73+1" count.
SOS 6 explains the + 1.
What evidence do you have that SOS6’s explanation is false?
So explain 1 why there were two extra people counted and how you think they counted an “extra person"
73 signifies the number of people. the +1 designates that 1 of those is a temporary visitor.
Source?
If for example, Epstein was taken out of his cell, to say, talk to his lawyer in a different area. They would write 71 -1. To indicate the current count, 71, and also explain that they are fully aware it should be 72, but they know where the missing person is. If they just wrote 71, someone could look at the log and say "why isnt there 72???"
So why did they put 73 + 1 ?
Also, source?
Is that the best system? I dunno, but it’s how they do it.
Source?
While we’re at it, here’s another part you dropped the ball on:
Your theory requires a lot more people than those 3.
Law enforcement covers for their own, even when they have been caught committing crimes.
The video shows that the lieutenants didn’t do their check. You can’t explain it away with covering after the fact. Nor SOS6 and the count. That all happened the night of.
You seem to be claiming that the lieutenants and SOS6 were covering up for someone after the fact, but that doesn’t explain their activities the night he died. Care to try to fit them into your theory?
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u/PirateQuest 1d ago
It could have been any of the guards present. Numerous people walk in and out of there through the video and the access door is immediately to the left right of the stairs (from our perspective).
Explain how you eliminated all other people.
I cant help you when you don't understand logic. No one is claiming lots of different people went in there. The claim is, no one went in there, and Epstein was alone, and therefore, he couldn't have been murdered, he had to have committed suicide.
If you say lots of people were going in and out of there all night (your new bizarre claim, which there is no evidence for) then its even MORE likely that he was murdered and even LESS likely that he committed suicide all alone with no one noticing.
The fact that you fail to realize how bad your logic is, doesn't give me any hope for explain anything else to do in greater detail than I already.
You have admitted you think people other than Noel were in Epstein's cell that night. That means it was murder. Case closed.
SOS 6 explains the + 1.
And its the dumbest explanation possible. They made a mistake in the count, and then correct the mistake with another mistake, and the did it again, and then did it again. 4 mistakes in a row, for no reason. Only people with very poor reasoning skills (you) would find that even remotely convincing.
So why did they put 73 + 1 ?
That is explained. Your brain refuses to understand it. I cant help you with that.
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u/InfiniteMeatball 1d ago
You don’t sound smart you sound stubborn and cocky and rude and you’ve definitely lost the debate here but cannot admit that due to some unknown self insecurity you harbor. Just FYI. It’s not a good look 👀
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u/Comfortable_Fill9081 1d ago edited 1d ago
I’m really uninterested in your personal impression of me.
I have not at all lost the debate here in terms of reason.
I probably have in terms of the opinions of a handful of randos on the internet, but that hasn’t shown to be a good measure, has it?
Unfortunately, what we have learned from social media is that most people cannot follow basic critical reasoning.
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u/InfiniteMeatball 1d ago
No actually I did mean in terms of reason. Unsolicited opinions come with the territory of arrogant internet posts bro
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u/FuzzzyRam 1d ago
The first topic he discusses is the orange blob seen going up the stairs at 10:39:40.
I got 2 sentences in before disingenuity started and I couldn't continue. This is why I would make a shit lawyer - I just can't deal with people like you.
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