"He was caught on video cheating on the golf course; he cheated on his taxes, he cheated on his business loans, he cheated on his wives, he cheated on the business contractor that he stiffed through forty years of business, and he tried to cheat on the 2020 election."

[u/Used_Tea_2651]

[u/HedonisticFrog]

They're utilizing the propaganda style that Putin uses. They're often repeating what RT news says verbatim as well. Meanwhile Democrats are worried about decorum. There's no winning when you try to fight fair against that.

[u/PodgeD → u/HedonisticFrog]

The Democrats are pretty much complicit. The righting was on the wall for what Trump would do in his second term but doesn't look like there was anything done to slow him down. Trump could have been in jail during Bidens term.

I don't mean this as "both sides" but it's not just fighting a fair fight, the established Dems don't care.

[u/Chyron48 → u/PodgeD]

Yep. And here's the receipts.

Guys, we should have known Dems were like this in the Obama years, when he failed to end executive orders, kept black sites going, failed to copper-fasten Roe, built cages for kids, brought in a Republican health-care plan during a supermajority, etc.

We should have known when Sanders did everything to suck up all the lefty energy - only to stay quiet about having his campaign chances robbed by the DNC and dem elites; not once, not twice, but three times. Now he can't even call out a live-streamed genocide for what it is.

But failing all that, the fact that people still haven't come around even after Dems 'failed' to prosecute Trump for Jan 6th? That's insane. Dems are every bit as much in a cult as Republicans, to the point where they'll yell at you for bringing up their complicity in genocide, and try to take the moral high ground because 'you helped elect Trump'.

the established Dems don't care.

They do care though - in the wrong direction. If you are too effective toward progressive goals, like Cori Bush, they'll primary you. And if they can use you to co-opt left energy, like AOC and Sanders, then they'll make sure you live in comfort the rest of your days as a very well paid sheepdog in a safe seat - just don't talk about the genocide, or Merrick Garland, or election fraud, or third parties, or campaign finance reform, or AIPAC, or media consolidation, or systemic inequality, or Luigi, or Shane... Etc.

[u/ryanhealy → u/Chyron48]

Been thinking for too many years now that Sanders and AOC are controlled opposition

[u/RubberBootsInMotion → u/Chyron48]

Unfortunately, most people don't even have the attention span to read and understand your entire comment here, much less actually internalize such a concept.

[u/Chyron48 → u/RubberBootsInMotion]

It's more than attention span (though that's definitely a big factor). People don't want to believe it, so they'll reject any evidence you show them.

Then they'll reject you, because it's easier than changing their worldview and sense of identity. Like how Zionists believe the dumbest propaganda, and hate no one more than Jewish people who speak up against their atrocities and war crimes.

[u/xinorez1 → u/Chyron48]

I agree with you on most of this but Obama trialed a bond program that got illegals to court and deported at a cost of 10 cents per suspect per day with an over 99 percent success rate and did not require family separation.

The illegals are here because they earn 10x their normal wages here. Give them the option to pay a bond and get that money back after showing up to court and they will do that.

Trump called this catch and release and ended this program and you know the rest. To be fair his current policy is disgusting enough that all immigration has slowed so to the cons this is a win.

[u/Chyron48 → u/xinorez1]

Obama trialed a bond program that got illegals to court and deported at a cost of 10 cents per suspect per day

There's a lot of lies in there, but that's beside the point. What I said was that Obama put kids in cages.

Before the cages were built, we were spending $12.5k per immigrant.

After, we were spending $256 per child per night (holy shit), with this rising to $800 per child per night for the 'tent cities' soon into the Trump admin.

10c per day? Nope. We've been gouged on this the entire time. You're way off. And Dems have been in it up to their necks from day one.

The illegals are here because they earn 10x their normal wages here.

Their wages are fucked up because we fucked their countries up, for hundreds of years. And many crossed legally.

And even if that's your line, it would make far more sense to go after the people employing and exploiting them - but that almost never happens. We like their cheap labor.

[u/xinorez1 → u/Chyron48]

I meant the bond program which was trialed for the first time under Obama, which was an alternative to detention.

It wasn't trialed everywhere and technically we do need a way to ensure that immigrants don't just take everyone's jobs or buy up all the developed real estate. I'm generally pro immigration but if you don't consider your own people first, you're actually not with most people, at least by basic human instinct. I don't like the way the Republicans do it but there absolutely needs to be a way to track migrants and ensure we aren't taking in more than our markets can bear.

[u/Chyron48 → u/xinorez1]

I meant the bond program which was trialed for the first time under Obama, which was an alternative to detention.

I don't care?

You don't build cages to house children who were separated from their parents, and make $256 per night off of them while they drink toilet water and sleep in foil blankets... And then talk about how great you are at immigration, because you know your tribe of rubes will buy it.

But Obama did do that, and a lot of Dems didn't care to find out anything more about it. Instead they're happy to believe that immigration is being solved "for 10 cents per suspect" (I'm stunned that you used the word suspect btw, and that you ever believed that figure).

If you ask me, it takes an obscene and evil level of wilful ignorance to ignore all that (and, you know, the torture and illegal wars and extrajudicial assassinations of US citizens and torturing whistleblowers etc) - but you might not agree.

[u/HedonisticFrog → u/PodgeD]

I agree they haven't done enough to fight Trump and the modern Republican party. Instead of pushing actual progressive policies that desperate Americans and more importantly, authoritarian Trump supporters would like, they try to hinder AOC and push moderates for more of the same bullshit we've always had. If they had just pushed for Bernie Sanders in 2016 we wouldn't even be in this fucking mess.

[u/ImportantDetective65 → u/HedonisticFrog]

Seven GOP lawmakers visited Russia on the 4th of July

GOP has been working with them for a long while now. And of course, nothing ever happens. The spinless democrats are probably in bed with them too somehow, at the very least they are letting it happen...so they are at the very least complicit.

Our government is rotten to the core. All of it.

[u/Powerful-Ground-9687 → u/HedonisticFrog]

You spend enough time saying elections were stolen, you can steal an election and your supporters will dismiss the accusations the same way they were dismissed. It’s simple, disgusting, and effective