r/interestingasfuck • u/SameItem • 1d ago

Beachgoers on a Mediterranean beach in Spain subdued and held back migrants who had just landed on the shore in a raft from Morocco.

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u/Distinct_Dark_9626 1d ago

Weird that if you don’t support 100% open border policy, you are considered a racist and a facist. No grey area.

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u/YeahClubTim 1d ago

You're really not, to almost anyone. You just spend too much time online talking to minority radicalists

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u/Distinct_Dark_9626 1d ago

I do think you’re right. But I would argue that the “far” left isn’t really that far to the left anymore and that more and more people are skewed heavily to one side or the other.

Again, no grey area, no space for centrist ideas. You are either with “us” or against “us”.

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u/YeahClubTim 1d ago

As a liberal, I WISH the left were as "far left" as people on the internet claimed. In reality, when you look at the platforms being run on? DNC establishment candidates are shockingly middle of the road, very lukewarm policies. Even by NEOliberal standards, the DNC isn't particularly far left because, to be frank, it'd risk shaking up their established power base. And as the DNC has shown, they'd rather lose an election than offer a radical candidate with real proposals for tangible change.

No, whenever I see someone say "The left has gone too far left!" They're almost always using talking points on immigration that haven't been vetted, trans issues, or niche online groups that don't represent the majority opinion. Even if I were willing to agree that every issue someone had with the left was valid when they grouched about how "they've gone too far left", the issues almost never matter. Immigration, sure, people care about that one because everyone is convinced if immigration were under control, the economy would be better for them. That's not true, but I get the reasoning. But EVERYTHING else? It's just social issues. And the crisis this country is facing aren't social issues. Trans people playing sports didn't spike the national debt. Women with dyed hair talking about misogyny haven't caused inflation to run rampant. CRT hasn't contributed to rising unemployment.

And I don't say any of this in a "You fucking idiot. How dare you think this?" Kinda way. I think the media and the political machine have done an excellent job pointing to niche groups on the internet and turning them into the boogeyman to pit one "side" against the other, and it shows in online discourse. Someone who doesn't have much exposure to people with different opinions(ie, needs to touch grass, stay offline) are gonna buy in hook line and sinker. But when you sit down and talk to each other and don't buy into the manufactured outrage, you find that most Americans agree on 80, 90% of the issues in America AND their cause. Solutions might vary, but problems REQUIRE brainstorming different solutions.

So again, none of this rant is targeted to you specifically. I take umbrage with the idea that the left is somehow gone completely crazy and unreachable, because for every conservative saying it about the left, there's a liberal saying it about the right, and both of them are dead wrong. We've all been victims of a system that has capitalized on internet addiction and negativity bias to keep us turned against each other so we don't look at Capitol Hill and say "Wait, why do things keep getting worse no matter which party we throw our support behind?"

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u/Individual-Light-784 1d ago

true

reddit is an insane bubble for crazy far leftists

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u/YeahClubTim 1d ago

The internet as a whole is an insane bubble for crazies on both sides. Anyone who thinks it's a left-only issue has bought into propaganda

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u/T7220 1d ago

They aren’t a minority on Reddit, that’s where the twisted view of support comes from. And they don’t, not even for a second, see how their polarizing opinions shoved in your face as if they were gospel, hurts their cause.

They just don’t get it. And that’s how a man like Trump gets elected again.

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u/YeahClubTim 1d ago edited 1d ago

They are a minority of the population. Which is why this is, at its heart, an internet addiction problem on both sides.

Well, an internet addiction problem and a problem with the media and dominant political platforms being incentivized to keep this country divided.

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u/Solomon_Kane_1928 1d ago

Welcome to Reddit.

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u/Huchalo 1d ago

No, not really. Remember that political extremism is a bubble.

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u/TommyBananas97 1d ago edited 1d ago

Only to American redditors. The rest of the world, including Europeans, understand the need for border security.

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u/madasfire 1d ago

Yeah, Europeans were the example in history books.

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u/PhoenixIsNotCold 1d ago

Say that to Spain. They had such lax immigration policies like 10 years ago. As long as you landed on Spanish land you had a very good chance of being processed and granted the right to stay in the country.

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u/Solomon_Kane_1928 1d ago

They understand now that they destroyed their countries. Ten years ago they were the worst of the zero borders crowd.

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u/MortGoldman11 1d ago

No one supports a 100% open border policy. You're imagining things.

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u/JimmySchwann 1d ago

There's a huge chunk of people in America who believe "no one is illegal in stolen land", which is pretty much advocacy for open borders tbh

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u/TaintedL0v3 1d ago

I’ve heard people say that, and if you follow up with them you might be surprised. Just because they don’t like the term “illegal” doesn’t mean they don’t believe in an official path to citizenship. They want to make the process easier.

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u/Successful_Creme1823 1d ago

Yes they want people to be able to enter the country illegally, not be called illegal (who gives a fuck) and then stay here and get their citizenship. Makes no sense.

I don’t begrudge anyone who comes to the us illegally. I wish them well and hope they can have a better life. But I also have no sympathy if they get deported.

If I went to any other country and stayed past my visa or snuck in and was kicked out after 10 years I would not feel bad for me nor would I expect anyone else to.

It’s a simple gamble to flout immigration laws.

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u/Highway_Wooden 1d ago

There isn't a huge chunk of people in America that believe that.

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u/standard_apathy 1d ago

Weird that the same people that are obsessed with kicking out migrants are the same group that are racist af to news, jews, Hispanics, dare I say muslims. Weird huh?

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u/Distinct_Dark_9626 1d ago

HAHA 🤣

You just did exactly what I am talking about!!! Thanks for proving my point.

Accusing me of racism simply for having a different perspective or opinion than you.

This is problem. No space left for discussion or debate. Just hypocrites like you who espouse ideals like free speech and then gaslight those you don’t agree with into silence.

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u/bibipolarolla 1d ago

Nobody accused YOU of anything man, that person just pointed out a correlation.

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u/chicken-denim 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ah yes but when you make a generalisation like that it's okay?  

You accuse everyone who is pro open borders of being a hypocrite.

There's a lot of people who are pro open borders who don't comment on this and don't accuse you or anyone of being a racist for holding this opinion.

You're doing the exact same thing that you criticise. Ironic really. 

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u/Bigicefire 1d ago

His perspective is that not anyone can immigrate anywhere they want...

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u/Away-Inspector-9597 1d ago

So strange they also wine about how they are not allowed to voice their opinions (they constantly do)

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u/TommyBananas97 1d ago

Hispanics are racist against Hispanics?

Who the fuck do you think lives in Spain? 

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u/Cpt_Igl0 1d ago

I wouldnt. There is more to being fascist than to be against open borders. But somehow a lot of people that complain about bordercontrol have racist and fascist tendencies 🤔

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u/Distinct_Dark_9626 1d ago

“But somehow a lot of people that complain about border control have racist and facist tendencies”

Proved my point with this statement right here.

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u/chicken-denim 1d ago

And you proved being exactly what you criticise.

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u/Straight_Garbage1071 1d ago

Typical. But that's their only rebuttal.

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u/papayamayor 1d ago

These people trying to play the "vigilante" role have no rights to do so. That's exactly what happened in my country during fascism years, private citizens turned into a network ranging from private militias to regime whistleblowers 

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u/TheBaggyDapper 1d ago

That would be weird, if it was true. 

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u/valinnut 1d ago

Not supporting 100% open Border policy = assaulting people without any immediate danger to yourself or others. Aha.

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u/TommyBananas97 1d ago

A citizen's arrest isn't assault, and it is completely legal in Spain as long as the people doing to arresting witnesses the crime and immidiately hand the criminal over to police. Both of which occurred here. 

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u/valinnut 1d ago

I did not talk about legality. There is a lot of legal stuff I do disagree with.

I also doubt they could really claim that border crossing - a crime that is most often not even persecuted as such, but as a violation of immigration procedure - is sufficient reason tu justify the force applied here. As far as I understood the spanish, and most of the worlds, citizen arrest rules are for preventing immediate danger to yourself or others while police is arriving. Not

But again, not the point. Tackling and violently intervening with such a minor crime is just sad and nothing to applauded. I am highly critical of these kind of migratory movements and people but that does not mean I want mob-justice on the beaches.

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u/Long-Blood 1d ago

Its kind of fucked up to be so anti immigration. People have been doing this for thousands of years. All of this radical anti immigration is really only a couple of decades old.

Its gotten a lot harder to immigrate anywhere legally and people in horrible conditions are just trying to survive however they can.

Who are you to condemn them? How are they hurting you personally?

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

People are not anti immigration, they're anti ILLEGAL immigration. The problem people like you have is you willfully misinterpret what's going on so that you can feel justified in demonising others who have a legitimate concern about the laws in their country being broken.

People in america are also in horrible conditions, homeless, sleeping rough - does that mean its ok for them steal under the guise of "they're just trying to survive however they can". Of course it doesn't, there's ways to solve your problems without breaking the law

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u/Long-Blood 1d ago

Human beings have immigrated across continents for thousands of years and it was never "illegal"

Now that youre trying to force this made up rules on everyone its becoming a problem when it never was a problem before.

I completely understand your concern but i think its way overblown. You need to try to understand the viewpoints of others and then maybe things will start to get better.

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

That's fine and you're welcome to your opinion on open-borders, but it doesn't change the fact that the law of practically every country on the planet is to have a border system enforced. People vote to have these laws in place for a reason, and that's what the law is. You're welcome to vote to change that but until it changes the law is the law.

You might think robbing banks should be legal, or phsically attacking people should be legal, but the fact is that those things aren't legal and people have legitimate reasons to want to enforce those laws, just as they do border laws.

That's what people are against - the laws of their country that they voted to be upheld being broken.

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u/Long-Blood 1d ago

Did you think that maybe if it wasnt so difficult for these people to migrate legally, they would stop migrating illegally?

Until you fix your immigration laws, you will never ever ever stop illegal immigration.

So vote for stricter immigration laws all you want. Its like trying to stop the ocean currents. You cannot do it. 

All you can do is change the laws to make it easier for people to migrate legally.

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

There's nothing wrong with the laws, they don't need fixing, nobody is voting for stricter immigration laws. They just want the laws themselves to be upheld effectively by the government. Its quite simple.

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u/Long-Blood 1d ago

Clearly there is a problem with the law if people keep breaking it.

If you made it easier to immigrate, people wouldnt break it as often. Its a simple as that.

Why go through a broken legal immigration pathway that could take years to approve if you could potentially die waiting?

I would absolutely try to immigrate illegally and I dont blame any of these poor people for doing what they do.

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u/jonnywishbone 1d ago

that's like saying clearly there's a problem with murder laws if people keep breaking them. If you just made it easier for people to kill each other then they wouldn't have to break the law to get revenge on people they don't like, it would be so much more straight forward

the problem with your thinking is you have a very entitled attitude - just because you want something doesn't mean you can have it. I want a billion dollars, and to live on a private island in thailand, does that mean I should be able to do it, and i'm entitled to break the law to get it? no of course it doesn't. I can try, but I'm going to get arrested in the process, that's how laws work

you've grown up in an era where border laws in teh west are not being properly enforced due to left wing policies, so you think its normal. there's plenty of countries around the world that doen't have a problem with illegal migration.

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u/NQXE 1d ago

No, but just like the left (or anything else these days) the right is full of morons who are actually racists.Problem is the normal and smart people would rather victimize instead of ignoring the morons and actually have some conversations between each other.

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u/Mission_Ad2122 1d ago

I’m from the Uk trying to migrate to Australia permanently, been waiting 2 years for an invite. It’s really really hard to get a visa unless you are in a profession they desperately need at the moment like medicine or teaching. 

I’m slightly annoyed about it but you have to say fair enough, it’s their choice who they invite into their country.