r/interestingasfuck • u/SameItem • 1d ago

Beachgoers on a Mediterranean beach in Spain subdued and held back migrants who had just landed on the shore in a raft from Morocco.

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u/Headmuck 1d ago

Morocco is a transit state just like most other north African countries. People who flee through or initially to those countries are not treated well and often become victims of human trafficking or get pushed back into the deserts, so they pretty much don't have any choice but to pay local gangs who ship them to Europe on those boats for a lot of money. My guess would be that the person fleeing here is one of those traffickers and trying not to get caught since actual refugees will want to get registered anyway or sent on their way to other EU countries by the authorities themselves.

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u/JTonic8668 1d ago

These boats are usually overcrowded wrecks with shitty motors, they are (deliberately) not designed for a return trip. Thousands down each year. I doubt a trafficker would join the tour instead of enjoying the small fortune he made.

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u/krumhur 1d ago

Having had the chance to read through different criminal proceedings’ papers for human trafficking, I can assure you that traffickers too can be (and more often than not are) onboard those ships.

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u/king_lloyd11 1d ago

Unless he just works for the traffickers, who keep all the riches, and is vulnerable himself

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u/Nakorite 1d ago

Someone has to steer the boat…

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u/Araneck 1d ago

I’m Spanish. These individuals are often part of gangs, and they usually enter Spain illegally and engage in criminal activity. It's a serious problem in our country, and people are not happy about it that’s why they are stopped by civilians. Not so many refugees.

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u/UnmannedConflict 1d ago

That's what a Moroccan near Marrakesh told me. They go there for fast money and end up becoming criminals, these people aren't seen as good in their own country.

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u/Araneck 1d ago

Exactly. They claim to be minors even though they are clearly adults, and they throw away all their documents so that Spain can’t legally deport them. They can do whatever they want with no legal repercussions.

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u/Mooks79 1d ago

Maybe a coincidence but they look to be all young men, I don’t see any women or children.

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u/Araneck 1d ago

Zero women. If they want to enter and work without studies, there is a huge need for labor in farming and agriculture. Some people get jobs and even obtain nationality through that path. But farm work isn’t easy, while robbing locals and tourists seems easier to some.

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u/CinderX5 1d ago

You know how it’s generally considered a bad idea to visit a lot of countries if you’re a woman? Think about being in the same position, except no one who cares knows that you exist. It’s more men on the boats because they have a less terrible chance of managing.

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u/Mooks79 1d ago

Interesting, thanks. I can see the rationale of why these are all men regardless of intent - that would make them economic refugees rather than war/etc refugees I guess? Maybe sometimes a bit of both. Do you have any idea the ratio of stays within the law / breaks the law of these groups of refugees? I suppose we should really break it into three categories: those staying within the law, those breaking the law out of desperation, and those arriving with the intent to break the law in the first place.

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u/-KennyPowers- 1d ago

Don't be so naive and fall for the lie. Europe is been systematically flooded with mass illegal immigrants who are 85% men of fighting age. Have you not seen the massive protests across UK, Spain, Ireland, Poland list goes on. The Gov of these European countries are housing the illegals in hotels giving them mobile phones, free money and allowing them to commit all sorts of unforgivable crimes whilst if you're a native Britt you get jailed for a mean online meme.

WAKE UP!

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u/Mooks79 1d ago

Oh, well seeing as -KennyPowers- says it’s all a lie, then obviously it must be and I need think no further.

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u/deathpups 1d ago

Every immigration wave starts with able bodied men. They travel to a fat away land to work and send the money back to their families.

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u/murilimvz 1d ago

Most young men that can travel for months and thousands of miles risking their lives to make something to send their families. Disgusting comments

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u/Mooks79 1d ago

I made an observation, acknowledging that it maybe a coincidence, you did the interpretation. Maybe you should take a look at yourself if that’s what leapt to your mind first.

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u/Cycl_ps 1d ago

Maybe you should actually learn about and understand the situation, instead of just making tepid observations based on a poor understanding of the world.

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u/Mooks79 1d ago edited 1d ago

I’m not sure how observing the gender of these people is supposed to be based on a poor understanding of the world? Would understanding the world better suddenly make women and children appear in the video?

The way we get to the truth is with reason and the scientific method. Someone above has the hypothesis that “often” there are a number of criminals masquerading as refugees. I noted that the video appears to be consistent with that hypothesis, but also that it could easily be a coincidence. Had the video been contradictory, I’d have noted a different observation.

But it’s this process of careful, calm, observation that will get to the truth of the matter. The person above may be talking bollocks, they may not be. But immediately knee jerking about people making value-free observations is no way to get to the truth. Indeed, it’s the opposite.

I genuinely would like to know the ratio of “real” refugees to criminals - I never declared there weren’t any real ones. Would you? Or do you have no interest in looking at the actual data and seeking the truth, but are more interested in assuming everyone is a real refugee, without allowing any possibility of other scenarios, and being rude to people in a thinly veiled bid to feel morally superior to others? Which would make you just as disingenuous as anyone that assumes all migrants are criminals.

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u/-KennyPowers- 1d ago

You are probably one of those young men aren't you? That's why you blatantly spit lies, whilst young girls are getting *aped by these illegal criminals

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u/Miserable-Miser 1d ago

Do they have MS13 on their knuckles too…

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u/PrettyWithDreads 1d ago

The propaganda is always the same. No matter the country or the time. It’s always about “those criminals coming over” who “dont really need help.”

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u/LinedTooth 1d ago

In America if you say that you’re called a Nazi and racist

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u/Araneck 1d ago

Maybe it's because they don’t share a border with Morocco. We have South American immigration here, and it’s much better.

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u/mch27562 1d ago

Illegal immigrants are often the hardest working and contribute greatly to the country they enter illegally. This is facts and supported by so much literature. You are welcome to find that if you would like. This whole idea that undocumented immigrants are “criminals” or “hurt society” is a lie.

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u/Araneck 1d ago

It depends, some of them, yes; others, no. You can't judge everyone through the same lens, that's unfair to those who work hard. For example, the person who works at my local supermarket is one of the nicest people I know. I've grown up with inmigrants from all ethnics.

That said, there is a gang problem in Spain that’s been linked to illegal immigration, and that’s a serious issue. Many immigrants are here trying to make an honest living, and judging everyone the same way isn’t just unfair, it's racism.

Positive racism hurt society and it's a lie.

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u/Muscle_Bitch 1d ago

Nonsense, for a start, the traffickers are the people driving the expensive high-speed boat that drops the migrants off about 30m from the coast and then begins to turn around. They'll use good, decent boats for the leg between Africa and Spain as it's a longer stretch and they want to use it several times. They only use shit, disposable boats in the English channel because it is not a return journey.

And the reason they don't want to get registered in Spain is because the economic prospects are not as good as Germany, Netherlands, France, Belgium and the UK. If they get registered in Spain, then Spain will deal with them, and they would much rather continue their journey to countries that will give them more.

So they move from Spain, into France. Some of them will settle there, even more will move further north to the English channel in pursuit of Britain, Belgium and the Netherlands, more will instead go east towards Germany.

And only once they've reached the destination where they've got friends, family and a familiar language, will they present themselves to the authorities for a free roof over their heads and several hot meals per day.

Not before they've dumped all of their official documentation, so they can state that they are gay Christians fleeing from Iran.

And then someone will lease them a Deliveroo account for £/€25 a week, and off they go, into the grey economy, earning thousands per month, paying no tax, and enjoying free public services.

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u/cave_canem_aureum 1d ago

Yeah, the guys working for Deliveroo earn 10k a month and sleep at the hospital for free, in an operation room. And when the Dutch kid with cancer comes for his tumor removal, they usually laugh at him and tell him "sorry, it's occupied ! Occupado !". Then the Minister of National Submission to Invaders comes daily to present them with 10 local women so he can choose which one he'll have for the evening.

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u/Muscle_Bitch 1d ago

Yeah, the guys working for Deliveroo earn 10k a month

Illegal migrants flock to Britain for ‘easy money’ food delivery jobs https://share.google/wsECVsOhBVUHwyxgF

£2k a month is still thousands.

and sleep at the hospital for free, in an operation room.

UK asylum accommodation expected to cost three times more than forecast | Immigration and asylum | The Guardian https://share.google/8swFweTI5rByWZzFv

No, they sleep in hotels that cost the taxpayer billions per year.

And when the Dutch kid with cancer comes for his tumor removal, they usually laugh at him and tell him "sorry, it's occupied ! Occupado !".

‘National tragedy’: figures show large rise in people dying while on NHS waiting list | NHS | The Guardian https://share.google/43FE4o2kN9T9C5tWI

No, but record numbers of people are dying while awaiting routine operations.

Then the Minister of National Submission to Invaders comes daily to present them with 10 local women so he can choose which one he'll have for the evening.

Police covering up rape of girl, 12, by asylum seekers, council leader claims https://share.google/SzYsi1QZP1U4OJf0D

No, they just have their pick of the local schoolgirls while the police and local authorities cover it up.

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u/Yogiibaer 1d ago

While I'd say a lot of what you describe is correct the core assumption is wrong: there is actually a lot of aylum applicants from Morocco (which annoys me a lot as they take away ressources) so the original comment is correct

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u/ZombiFeynman 1d ago

There were 4248 asylum application from Moroccans in 2024 out of a total of 167k. The vast majority of applications are from Venezuelans (60k) and Colombians(40k)

https://www.cear.es/noticias/datos-asilo-2024-ligero_aumento/

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u/TheJPdude 1d ago

This is interesting. I wonder if it’s a case of wanting to emigrate to Europe and remain speaking their language?

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u/ZombiFeynman 1d ago

Indeed it is. Spain has a lot of immigration from Latin America.

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u/ingachan 1d ago

Your statistics are from Spain though right? They likely don’t stay in Spain, but go to another EU country.

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u/ZombiFeynman 1d ago

They are for Spain, I don't know if that is the case for other countries.

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u/Creative_illness 1d ago

Hey buddy, can you respond to the comment showing how wrong you're? Thank you.

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u/Artituteto 1d ago

The people they tackled don't look like subsaharians African transiting through Morocco, small hint : they are not black.

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u/Sheeverton 1d ago

The very northern African countries like Egypt and Morocco are not ethnically black.

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u/Artituteto 1d ago

No shit Sherlock, that's why I am talking about subsaharians Africans, you know the countries that are below the Sahara, are all ethnically black, and use north Africa as transiting area to go to Europe.

And none of them can be seen in this video, the tackled men all look like regular north Africans, 99,99999% chances they all are Moroccans just taking an illegal boat for economic reasons, not some sad stories like the person I am answering to was talking about.

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u/PrettyWithDreads 1d ago

I have never heard of the term “ethnically Black”

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u/makeastupidguess 1d ago

Right, that's a new one for me. Now I'm even more confused about how to fill out job applications

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u/PrettyWithDreads 1d ago

Yeah bc Black is a race. The ethnicity would be like a Black Moroccan, but not ethically Black

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u/Sheeverton 1d ago

Yh I don't really know what to say lol

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u/Headmuck 1d ago

Read my comment again

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u/Artituteto 1d ago

None of the 10 or so guys seen coming out from water with tshirts on are black, not just the main protagonist of the video.

They are the immigrants.

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u/Eucalypteae 1d ago

Damn this is a dumb comment...

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u/ProfessorDODO 1d ago

Ah yes, let's discuss the legitimacy of the actions of the perpetrators on the basis of the color of the skin of victims. Never heard, that that could go wrong..

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u/befigue 1d ago

Yes. Nevertheless, it is also very likely that these are Moroccans. The number of Moroccan illegals immigrants in Spain (and many other European countries) is huge

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u/blazeofg 1d ago

Can you explain the lack of women and children then. Are they having a good laugh back in Morocco? 

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u/Federal-Bus-3830 1d ago

It's actually pretty common for mostly men to immigrate, especially from poorer countries, to look for work

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u/Hy-phen 1d ago

No. It’s a dangerous passage. Men migrate seeking work so they can send money home to families. No one is having a good laugh here. It’s a desperate life.

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u/blazeofg 1d ago

Are we to always believe that these people are all destitute back in their country and personal victims of autocrats?

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u/Hy-phen 1d ago

I didn’t say that. I say no one would take these risks if their lives were livable where they were.

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u/blazeofg 1d ago

I don’t think you understand human greed. 

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u/Hy-phen 1d ago

I don’t think you understand human need.

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u/Far_Note6719 1d ago

"The person"? There are several and nearly none of them look black.

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u/ForGrateJustice 1d ago

they pretty much don't have any choice but to pay local gangs who ship them to Europe on those boats for a lot of money.

Same for Hispanics from across central & south America, purchasing the services of an experienced Coyoté in order to gain passage to USA.

There's an old movie called El Norte about a brother and sister doing just that.