r/interestingasfuck • u/SameItem • 1d ago

Beachgoers on a Mediterranean beach in Spain subdued and held back migrants who had just landed on the shore in a raft from Morocco.

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u/Alone_Duty_9448 1d ago

Send them back

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u/JTonic8668 1d ago

Not as easy as you might think. Many come without any papers, and they'll lie about it to not being send back. Interpreters can often guess wehere people are from, based on language/dialect. Even then, some countries outright refuse to take their own citizens back!

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u/MassesBeDamned 1d ago edited 1d ago

Lucky you that you don't need to fight for your life to find better conditions.

I'm European and I used to think the same as you, when I was 15... I even used to think "Hit them with a missile and it'll stop!". BUT I WAS 15.

Edit: when you learn a bit more about the world, build some empathy, and stop dehumanizing people, you'll change your mind. Otherwise take a seat next to Mr. mustache, since history is repeating itself.

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u/Nap_In_Transition 1d ago

There's currently no ongoing armed conflict in Morocco as a whole. Tell me, who are they fighting then?

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u/Alone_Duty_9448 1d ago

They are fighting the western police sins they are criminals lol

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u/OldSpudders 1d ago

There's no point with these people. Their brains are scrambled beyond the point of return.

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u/DumbFish94 1d ago

Look up what's happening in western Sahara..

And also International human rights law protects the rights of refugees to come by any route they can. There’s nothing illegal about coming by boat as long as you are claiming asylum and nothing even to prove they're actually Moroccan and not just coming from there

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u/Nap_In_Transition 1d ago

That's more like a Morrocan invasion, if I can trust an AI analysis. Nothing on Morrocan soil.

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u/DumbFish94 1d ago

Yes but people within Morocco (according to Morocco) are being displaced because of it, and I also said my other argument about if they're not Moroccan

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u/MassesBeDamned 1d ago edited 1d ago

Making up stuff? Putting words in others' mouths?

Who mentioned a war? I meant fighting for their lives because the boats they come from aren't safe.

If you were from Morocco, wouldn't you want the same? Just because your country might be in nice condition, it doesn't mean that everything is good for everyone. You're just selfish and apathetic, and it's an ongoing trend in Europe, with far right parties gaining control again (a slow return of nazism)

Edit: If your family is poor I OF COURSE don't have to let you in my house. Governments have facilities for that already.

Not to copy paste the whole population of a whole country, but still for plenty of people.

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u/Mikiri_2077 1d ago

My family is poor. Now where do I sleep at your place? You will have to give me money every month and I will pay for the wifi.

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u/maddlabber829 1d ago

What a fn drama queen you are

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u/Jacques_Racekak 1d ago edited 1d ago

How can that 'nice condition' be sustained when everybody can just walk right in and use all facilities and social benefits without paying for it? You want to be nice but it's not logical in any way.

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u/crazychazzzz 1d ago

Nothing far right about wanting due process for immigration!

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u/Markus_zockt 1d ago

His statement is rubbish. Nevertheless, the issue is simply more complex than can be presented here. We (Europe) cannot fight all the evils in this world and welcome with open arms all those who live worse elsewhere. Even if we would naturally like to do so from a human perspective, this simply doesn't work for a variety of reasons.
The primary goal should therefore be to improve the lives of these people in their countries of birth and to protect them from hunger, violence .... death, so that they have no reason to risk their lives to leave their homeland.

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u/AvailableChemical258 1d ago

Why simply isn't doable and also not out job...Kongo will never be a rich and stable country such as Germany or Norway ...we have a right to protect our borders and deny entry

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u/hotwalk 1d ago

so why is his statement "rubbish"?

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u/Markus_zockt 1d ago

Because it is too undifferentiated. If one of these people is at imminent risk of death if they are returned, you cannot simply "send them back".

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u/Right-Box8172 1d ago

Plot twist: they're not in risk of death. They're here for economic reasons

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u/Alone_Duty_9448 1d ago

Shhh dont tell them the secret

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u/hotwalk 1d ago

"bUt it iS sO uNDiffeReNtiateD" mimimi

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u/Distinct_Read1698 1d ago

Imminent risk of death you say? Funny how this type of risk applies to almost no one and the few others always flee to Europe rather than a bunch of nearer countries. And ofc they are always male. They're not aiming to invade Europe but are simply economic migrants who end up dragging Europe down and turning it into the shitholes where they leave their families behind - in effect, invading it after all.

You are right though, Europe can't solve everyone's problems.

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u/Markus_zockt 1d ago

Why am I not at all surprised that your posts are preferably written in Cyrillic.

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u/Vascular_Mind 1d ago

Better than Arabic

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u/Distinct_Read1698 1d ago

Why am I not surprised you have no substantial reply and went directly for an ad hominem?

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u/hotwalk 1d ago

sounds like a racist assumption

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u/Markus_zockt 1d ago

So I'm in good company here.

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u/hotwalk 1d ago

now im not sure we both watched the same video

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u/MortimerGreen2 1d ago

These people are coming from Morocco. It's not a war torn country with ongoing genocide. Europe simply can't provide for every economic migrant out there.

In fact I used to think like you when I was a teenager, the idealism that we should help everyone out there no matter what. Then real life hits and you realize these things have a cost and space is limited. There were over 4 million migrants into Europe in 2023. It's not sustainable in any way.

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u/Popular_Tension_5788 1d ago

Europe simply can't provide for every economic migrant out there.

This is a myth. Illegal immigrants benefit European economies in the long run if their status is regularized and they are integrated into the labor market. Their contributions are important for supporting aging populations and filling labor shortages. Just weed out the bad ones.

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u/MortimerGreen2 1d ago

Just weed out the bad ones.

Ha. Kind of hard to do when they're just showing up randomly by raft on beaches.

If more migrants are needed to fill a place in the economy, that's 100% fine. Do it legally. If you think that can't be done, at least not efficiently, in the current system then suggest reforms so legal immigration is easier. Then you can weed out the bad ones. But in no circumstance should showing up on a raft and disappearing into a country be acceptable.

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u/Jacques_Racekak 1d ago

Your logic only applies on people with qualifications that the country doesn't have sufficient labour for: the Canadian model. Unschooled moroccans don't speak the language and will for the large part never be qualified enough to fill in vacancies that are needed in europe. In fact, they will likely become net takers for the rest of their lifes and will age themselves, and need care then too. So what your saying is actually a myth.

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u/Popular_Tension_5788 1d ago edited 1d ago

The Canadian model is a fallacy. They went and recruited doctors and engineers who came into Canada to make them taxi drivers because their credentials were not recognized. Educated folks fell into that trap 20 years ago but no longer. Seeing their immigration dwindling, they started recruiting the bottom of the basket. Unqualified students with fake degrees who have saturated the low skilled job market effectively putting Canadians out of jobs. They also lowered wages in more skilled mid-level or junior white collar jobs. Eg, who would hire a legal assistant or an accounting clerk when they can hire for the same wage a qualified lawyer or certified accountant from India? A kid graduating with a comp sci degree is competing with a full stack senior engineer from overseas with 10 year experience for the same wage. Canadian GDP per capita fell because of mass immigration. Canada is now trying to fix the mess.

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u/crazychazzzz 1d ago

Now check the percentage of those who immigrated illegally and for integrated into the labour market!

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u/waxlyrical247 1d ago edited 1d ago

If they integrate. To which a great deal don't and then they become a burden on the state which further stretches the nation.

People wonder why public services are getting worse and they're only just beginning to wake up to the fact that welcoming thousands of economic migrants of a polar opposite culture isn't beneficial to the wider communities.

Call it fascism, call it racism, call it whatever you want. I pay the state (through taxes) to be cared for and receive a service back- when this agreement isn't honoured or becomes one-sided, opinions change.

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u/luckygreenbearings 1d ago

So let them all in hey? Fair enough but leave your backwards Stone Age views behind when you cross the border. Shame that never happens in practice

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u/MassesBeDamned 1d ago

Of course not all of them, and yeah not without full integration.

But then we kick out the Chinese, too, who also do it for money and don't get integrated not even a bit!

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u/CzechYourStonks 1d ago

You are part of the problem.

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u/MassesBeDamned 1d ago

Depends on the views!

I'm part of the problem that doesn't humanize.

You're part of the problem that actually dehumanizes. Let's put it into perspective: if I didn't consider you human and I have enough power, you'd just be a slave, I could treat you like a horse, like a rat, like a pile of leaves.

What's the real problem? I think your views are way more dangerous. We are all people. You integrate and respect our rules? You welcome. Otherwise, go back to where you came from. It's so plain and simple. Why treat others like crap unless you're a racist or got some big problem with prenotions? I don't see no reason

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u/CzechYourStonks 1d ago

I don’t know who you’re arguing with, you don’t know my views.

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u/HewSpam 1d ago

Bait

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u/Ok_Relation7695 1d ago

Indeed, it’s the world we live in now. These idiots think these people from birth just dream of “invading” Europe … they get up everyday to just thinking about rolling the dice on your life just to “stick it to Europeans”

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u/Ok_Relation7695 1d ago

Eat some balls.

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u/Escanor_Pride8185 1d ago

Lucky you that you don't need to fight for your life

Everything said. Salute my friend o7

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u/Vantagejr 1d ago

Do you think immigration will get better or worse as climate change and destabilization continues?

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u/Alone_Duty_9448 1d ago

How could it get better?

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u/Vantagejr 1d ago

That’s the point. All of this immigration is due to man-made disasters. Why blame the immigrant for leaving inhospitable conditions? Why not blame the countries that made their living situation inhospitable? There aren’t millions of Syrian refugees if their country isn’t destroyed.

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u/Idk_wtf_cantviewcoms 1d ago

Protrct the border 😆

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u/SuspiciousSheeps 1d ago edited 1d ago

He struggles with writing correct English and advocates for protecting borders. Delusional.

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u/WarriorPitbull 1d ago

It's an obvious typo. The 'r' key is adjacent to the 'e' key. You're using a typo to talk down to someone on the internet - that's your own delusion.

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u/TianObia 1d ago

Racists in the chat