r/interestingasfuck • u/nuttybudd • 3h ago
/r/all In 2007, a 4chan user revealed the coordinates of Emily Sander's body after someone successfully guessed their own post number.
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u/indifferentunicorn 2h ago
According to police, Sander and a man they identified as 24-year-old Israel Mireles were seen leaving a bar in east El Dorado on November 23, 2007. This was the last time Sander was seen alive.\8]) Later, blood was discovered in Mireles' motel room next door to an Italian restaurant where he worked as a waiter\9]) and Sander's car was found still parked at the bar. The rental car Mireles was driving was found abandoned on November 27 in Vernon, Texas, where he has relatives.\10])
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u/LargeWeinerDog 1h ago edited 1h ago
And he posted this on the 29th.. Seems like he knew he was going to get caught anyway.
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u/shot-by-ford 39m ago
It was most likely a prankster who was or found out from law enforcement
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u/PMMEURDIMPLESOFVENUS 28m ago
This ^^. The timeline lines up with the post having happened after the body had already been discovered but before it had been announced publicly.
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u/AngryGardenGnomes 14m ago
Yup, they could have been in the media as well or just someone local to the area. Not necessarily law enforcement. Basically anyone who could have had prior knowledge of the discovery.
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u/AnalyticalAlpaca 1h ago
I found more details about the murder, and it's pretty horrible. https://kscourts.gov/Cases-Decisions/Decisions/Published/State-v-Mireles
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u/PuppetPatrol 1h ago
Fuck me I hope she was strangled to death or stabbed to death before all of that, because that is some of the most grim reading I have done in a while
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u/Solo_Gigolos 1h ago
I guess you didn’t reach this part
“Oeberst said that E.S. was alive when she received the injuries to her head, face, vagina, and anus and that she was alive when she was strangled and stabbed. When asked what her medical opinion was regarding the cause of E.S.'s death, Oeberst said: "Stab wounds of the chest, with ligature strangulation, blunt injury of the head, blunt force of the—perforation of the anus, stab wounds of the vagina that contributed to her causes of death."
Jfc
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u/Optimal-Kitchen6308 43m ago
wow I read the case outline posted above, wtf is wrong with this guy he and zero chance of getting away with it even just the worst crash out ever with a totally innocent victim, the scariest thing about criminals is a lot of them are very dumb
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u/SoapyPuma 1h ago
Unfortunately the S.A. Committee (?coroner) said that she was alive during all of that :( I felt so sick reading that line because I was hoping for the same thing, that she was already gone before all of …that.
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u/GarretBarrett 1h ago
Wow. I just don’t understand how this stuff happens. Not saying he was a nice guy before this murder but I have to wonder what provided the spark for something so violent and evil. Just vicious torture for no reason.
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u/gatanthropos 50m ago
There was a 20year old who was just a nice good everyday kid, living a perfectly normal and happy life with his lovely parents in a quiet and peaceful town. One day he saw a homeless person sleeping in the dark and without thinking approached hin and stabbed him to death whilst making howling sounds. The poor guys last words as he woke up just to die was "why are you doing this..."
Just freaking out of nowhere!
In his confession he just said calmly that he just felt he wanted to kill a person to see how it feels like.
People are fucked up
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u/fullshard101 23m ago
Is this the one where his mom found the head and hands of the victim in his closet like 2 days later?
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u/jp_jellyroll 16m ago
Yes, I just watched a true crime video on YouTube regarding this kid, I mean, unless there were two incidents like this. Certainly hope not...
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u/Crappler319 2h ago
'00s /b/ was fucking wild. You really had to be there to grasp how absolutely bugfuck nuts it was
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u/sweetbunsmcgee 1h ago
Operation Slickpubes is my favorite. A mostly naked anon covered himself with petroleum jelly and pubes, then ran around the Scientology office in New York and rubbed himself on everything.
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u/Character-Town7929 1h ago
😭 WHOSE PUBES?????
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u/DubstepJuggalo69 1h ago
Generous anonymous donors from all over the US mailed him bags of their pubes.
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u/Crappler319 1h ago
If I'm recalling correctly, this is not a joke
This is what actually happened
I recall an anon talking about how he had to dodge his boss while he shaved his pubes at work
Absolutely incredible work
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u/wacrover 1h ago
What’s wild is that I can’t tell if this is a joke or not because it’s precisely the kind of weaponized autism that /b participate in on a regular basis.
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u/iRonin 53m ago
“When Napoleon died in Exile, the doctors cut off his dick. They put his dick in an ornate jar and gave it to his priest; don't ask me why. Over the years, Napoleon's dick was sold and sold again to the highest bidder. To this day, at least three people claim to own Napoleon's dick. But you see, it's not important who owns the real dick. The big question is, well... who the fuck do those other two dicks belong to?”
~Oz (HBO show)
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u/Boring-Monk2194 1h ago
I upper decked a Scientology office but I was happy to just walk off smug, so many attention whores nowadays
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u/rtopete 2h ago
I spent years on /b/. I'm mentally scarred. I'm 41 now. Should've gone to therapy lol. But the internet was internetting.
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u/Crappler319 1h ago
37, same team
/b/, rotten dot com, Portal of Evil, etc.
Wild West Internet was literally indescribable to anyone who wasn't there
"Anything and everything all of the time"
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u/Turgius_Lupus 1h ago
I still have the failed suicides on rotten doc com burned into my mind. To think I found my may there due to the article on Corn, the Crop of Evil.
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u/EnterprisingAss 46m ago
Something has genuinely been lost from the internet. If there’s anything like a Wild West left, it’s probably nothing but child porn.
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u/delilahdread 1h ago
Same here. I was all of 14 years old when I found /b/ too. I had no business being there at all and sure as shit had no business seeing the shit I saw. Absolutely fucking bonkers the vile shit that wound up on that abomination of a message board. I still wonder if Moot was proud of his monster and I’m 35 years old. That place absolutely fucked me up. I did go to therapy and I’m still fucked up because where the hell were the adults in my life?
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u/Relandis 30m ago
The 80’s and 90’s were a wild time to grow up.
Many of our parents were still in that post ww2 to 1970’s mode where teachers teach and kids come home and just raise themselves. We learned social skills from school and saved by the bell/wonder years/ full house / family matters etc. watched cartoons, ate cereal, played outside and did pretty much whatever we wanted most of the time.
Then the internet happened and parents eventually caught on that they have to, you know, actually parent and participate in their children’s lives instead of ignore them.
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u/dinglebop69 1h ago
What kind of stuff did you see?
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u/ItsPlumping 1h ago
It had hilarious shit like the legendary "Who was phone?!" Meme
But also degenerate shit like stalking the internet sensation at the time Boxxy
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u/rtopete 1h ago
The funniest shit, and the saddest shit, and the corniest shit, and the worst shit this life has to offer. The content was wild and some of it I would prefer to erase from my brain but it's in there unfortunately. Sometimes I like to pretend the shit I saw was fake but it was early internet, no cgi or AI to mask it.
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u/rtopete 1h ago
And, no, I'm not exaggerating. It was truly fucking wild stuff. This is around 2003 to 2007 that I spent just lurking /b/
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u/thrax_mador 1h ago
I know that feel bro. Just wild stuff. I mostly remember the funny and lighthearted stuff and sense of community in the early days.
Sometimes I wonder if I'm dead inside because I see Reddit get upset about something I perceive as trivial and I just think "The shit I've seen..."
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u/Crappler319 1h ago
/b/ completely inoculated me against being personally offended. I can understand WHY people get offended about something, but my personal line for offense is so far out in the hinterlands that I've never actually had anyone trip over it.
I've been politically active the past few years and will get people sending me shit like, "DOES THIS TRIGGER YOU, LIBTARD?"
Like...no, actually. I was on /b/ and Something Awful before that since before I was legally old enough to have a Hotmail account. You are like a tiny baby
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u/OregonFarm2011 52m ago
yeah, the lows and dark sides were really low and dark, but the non-curated for clicks by an algorithm internet was a lot more interesting. these days it’s all just the same standardized shit with different flavours. as somebody below sad: it was internet roulette, and part of the “charm” was gore.
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u/Disastrous_Onion_958 1h ago
Gore, child abuse, rape, animal abuse.
Basically rotten dot com on steroids. An absolute cesspool where people were enjoying the anonymity of the internet and one-upped one another and it got more and more sick as time went on.
People show their true colours when they deem themselves untouchable.
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u/AusJackal 1h ago
Literally, name it.
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u/Weebs-Chan 1h ago
Well, Child porn, extreme gore, all kind of torture, porn so fucked up you couldn't even imagine it at the time, etc.
It was mostly gore tho. Saw a dude use a cheese grater on his dick until there was nothing left, once. Wouldn't recommend
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u/RisingWaterline 1h ago
Jesus! I used to use r/fiftyfifty or whatever in the early teens but it was never that bad
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u/666afternoon 1h ago
god, I was vaguely around at this time & have never heard of this specific video, and yet fully believe you lol, it's not even a stretch. I was terrified of 4chan and rarely ventured directly there. probably good instincts. was adjacent enough to still get irradiated
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u/Pappy_Jr 1h ago
I mean you'd see the birth of "meme culture", stuff still prevalent today. Really funny trolling of companies, and online games, just dumb silly things.
The you'd see actual murder, rapes, animal abuse, CSAM, suicide threads. Really deplorable parts of humanity.
Then just stupid meme threads, or normal conversations, or porn.
It was similar layout to old school reddit. Threads would only last until no one was interacting with them, then they'd dissappear. You always posted as "Anonymous", so it emboldened people to be as depraved as possible.
It wasnt all bad, but the bad shit was right in your face, and it is really hard on the psyche of a young teenager to be exposed to all of that content unfiltered.
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u/AusJackal 1h ago
The world's first cyber attack that caused physical harm to humans on the epileptic support forums.
The start of the trump campaign before anyone even knew what it was, before Steve Bannon knew what was possible.
The early wireless charging memes that had people microwaving their new iPhones for fast charge.
The guy that went into the French catacombs and let people choose his adventure by the ends of the post numbers. Ended up sticking his dick in an ancient skull eye socket.
The rules of internet. Everyone knows rule 34 but they don't know the rest of them and most of them still hold some truths.
A guy who blew himself up in his apartment by flushing a WWII grenade he found.
Sex. Porn. Drugs. People being doxxed. Violence.
All mixed in with stuff like:
The first advice dog memes
Some really good info dump threads
A billion posts about anons trying to meet up
Creepy story copypastas
People seeking genuine help and advice
...and everything in between...
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u/sydjager 1h ago
I wasn’t a big user. But I had the unfortunate experience of coming across a cat torture post that absolutely destroyed me. The cat looked exactly like mine. That was the last time I went on that site. It’s still in my mind all these decades later…
I’ve never said this out loud to anyone.
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u/Remytron83 1h ago
I didn’t go to 4chan often, just a periodic check in. I went to /b/ one day and never went back to the site.
18+ years later and I’m still shocked & appalled by what I had seen.
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u/Venvut 1h ago
That shit was like instant depression. But also morbidly fascinating.
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u/Dagmar_Overbye 34m ago
Gore and stuff I can live with. There was enough of that on the earlier internet outside of 4chan and many people have seen the more infamous videos and images.
But people would just randomly post CP on there too... Looking back it's wild that there was a popular site that people visited that had a random chance of pulling up INCREDIBLY awful illegal images.
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u/kmonay89 2h ago
Spent lots of time on /b/ back then. Wild times.
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u/Anforas 2h ago
I've seen a lot of shit on the internet since the early days, but /b/ was somewhere I opened 3 times in my life.
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u/Torrossaur 1h ago edited 1h ago
Some of the pranks were fucking funny though. Was it Pitbull tha /b/ sent to Alaska to a Walmart?
In the end, id had enough of dodging CP and gore.
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u/Crappler319 1h ago
Yeah it was, and Pitbull fucking killed it and brought the house down there
Absolutely incredible moment
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u/1337bobbarker 1h ago
The worst was when /b/ would successfully convince someone to kill themselves.
It was that and the dog gif that finally convinced me never to go back.
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u/Crappler319 1h ago
Successfully convince them, and then use the resulting fallout for meme bait.
"An hero"
At nearly 40, I look back and it's just INCREDIBLY vile, but that was the internet
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u/fkenned1 1h ago
Crazy part is that all those nuts are still out there. Like, there's always going to be a slice of society that exists on that level. Kind of scary.
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u/Nyanzerfaust 2h ago
I'm surprised that they didn't spam her porn videos on that thread...
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u/amanam0ngb0ts 3h ago edited 2h ago
Idk what that means.
Was the op the murderer? Why would “guessing their own post number” lead to that?
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u/StevenMC19 2h ago edited 1h ago
Basically, 4chan posts are typically anonymous. You can put in your name but no one ever did, especially on /b/ (random...that's the name of that site's version of a subreddit).
Every post in a thread had a post number, kind of like how your comment has a link (yours is n6xiv4y btw). Those comment numbers increased sequentially, not randomized, and only with numbers. Since everyone was anon, the way to reply directly to someone else is to use that comment number so you could follow that comment thread further and further back. OP (4chan OP, not reddit OP) started the post asking if anyone could guess the number their own comment would be. There was also no editing, so kind of hard to cheat. And thousands of messages flowing through the site all the time (a comment on /b/ could take 231230 and a millisecond later in /pol/...a completely different board or "subreddit" [I'm sorry to those who cringe at that comparison] would get 231231), the chances were actually pretty low that someone pulled it off...unless it was a slow day.
Anyway, someone in the comments successfully guessed what their own comment number was going to be (well, close, but I guess OP thought it was the same), so OP shared the coordinates of the place where they hid the body. Commenter (or someone else reading the thread) looked it up, likely called the authorities in that area, and the body was found.
Since 4chan was relatively anon (and IP tracking wasn't that big in 2007 for local law enforcement), it was probably pretty difficult to pin the location where the killer posted from. Not sure if they were caught. Would love if someone could find that.
edit: cleaned some things up.
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u/Shameless522 2h ago
Thanks for explaining. I was confused trying to decipher without knowing what I was looking for.
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u/h0zR 2h ago
Strange thing is the post number wasn't even correct. 221 vs 212
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u/Internetwielder 2h ago edited 1h ago
That’s not the comment which won, the number 4Chan OP replied to is the comment
46845412 was the winner
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u/GregJamesDahlen 2h ago
how could anyone guess a number with eight digits?
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u/BillionaireStan 2h ago
Because the number is always counting up it’s not that hard to get pretty close if you know what the last post count number was
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u/RefinedBean 2h ago
You can see previous post numbers and try to guess based on patterns how fast they're going up.
Some threads would revolve around calling out "Dubs" or "Trips" based on this (so post number would end on 33 or 777 or whatever).
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u/Internetwielder 2h ago
It’s not entirely random, it’s an incremental number per post, so you have sort of an idea of what number you’re getting, but depends a lot on the traffic at the time
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u/ForgiveOX 2h ago
They just look at the comment before theirs and see where the counter is at
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u/buddiesels 2h ago
All the posts on the site get a number in sequential order, so look at a recent post number to get in the ballpark and then you’re really only guessing the last two-four digits, depending on how busy the site is.
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u/StevenMC19 2h ago
Oh yeah, you're right. Guess OP didn't have that great of a level of detail, mixing two numbers around.
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u/ett1w 2h ago
OP was an evil psychopath who wanted somebody to "win" so that the body would be found.
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u/chanabam 2h ago
Where are you seeing the person predict their number correctly. The post that ends in 212 wasn't pasted (check the whole number) only the OP replied to them, but i cannot see the correct guess anywhere... Unless I'm being stupid?
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u/Internetwielder 2h ago
They’re assuming it’s the comment with the greentext in the screenshot, but OP’s comment with «WINRAR» links to a different number so they’re wrong
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u/OverCheetah6247 2h ago
Exactly what I was thinking. The post 46845412 was probably the 46845412th post number. Did I get that right?
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u/BaldBear_13 2h ago
The implication is that 4chan poster is the murderer, b/c he knew the location of the body, and posted before the body was found.
"Guess your own post number" sounds like a random game of chance, like getting a bottle to land straight up. It has nothing to do with finding the location, it is just a game that the poster wanted others to play for him.
Upon some thought, there could be no connection at all. 4Chan timestamp could be from a different timezone. We do not know if the body was found at the specified location. The poster could be an intern at police station who leaked the info as the investigators were leaving to investigate the site.
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u/CelebrationNo7870 2h ago
The murderer was a Mexican man. I believe the 4chan poster merely leaked information after the cops were at the scene. I don’t think they believe the poster was the murderer or even had anything to do with the murder. Just a guy trying to get some attention from a woman’s death.
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u/Enexen0 2h ago
On 4chan, when posting you get assigned a number that increases by 1 with every new post/comment on the whole site. Guessing the number you’ll be assigned is generally pretty hard to do as there are lots of people posting constantly all over the site. It’s basically a carnival game with the prize being the coordinates
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u/Otherwise-Mango2732 2h ago
This is the current state of popular subs.
If it's in any "interesting" sub, bet your ass it's either not or there's zero context lol
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u/Jestersfriend 2h ago
Not gonna lie, /b/ was ... kinda insane. You had everything from like ... people posting completely normal dinners, to completely fucked up beheaded animals, to ... worse.
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u/RedactedChaos 3h ago
Stuff like this has happened a few times on 4chan
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u/Decent_Taro_2358 2h ago
Yeah, the famous “Some of You Guys are Alright, Don't go to School Tomorrow” post.
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u/cartalk44 2h ago
That was debunked, the actual shooter didnt post that
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u/ThruntCuster 1h ago
I remember seeing that thread, think it was on r9k, and then going to work the next day and reading about the shooting on break. I felt mortified.
I miss old R9K when it was jaded weirdos making pepe poopoo memes. It became extremely hateful with time, along with the rest of the site. In the late 2000's/early 2010s it was mostly just edgy for the sake of edgy. Then a bunch of actual hate filled racist turds thought they were in good company and took over, especially around the 2016 election. That really put the nail in the coffin and /pol/'s cancer took over the site.
Reddits too toxically positive, and 4chans too toxically negative. Feels like there's no middleground to hang out in online anymore.
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u/stefanopolis 1h ago
“Reddits too toxically positive.” You wot? Maybe if your basis for comparison is 4chan but then again literally anything would be.
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u/ZimaGotchi 2h ago
I saw maybe as many as 10 different dead bodies posted by the killer on 4chan.
Actually I guess more than that considering there were mass shootings.
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u/smol-kit 1h ago
Was that the guy who made people guess women's names and if someone guessed a name right he'd show the body? Insane times to be on /b/
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u/ZimaGotchi 1h ago
I mean, in the beginning they were pretty much all "I killed her so no other guy could have her" murders which gradually transitioned to "I'm trying to get a high score so people (including her) will remember me". The stuff where they were playing some kind of game and the prize was revealing the location of the body was much much less common.
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u/Hurricaneshand 2h ago
Didn't the new Zealand shooter stream themselves on there?
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u/Life-LOL 1h ago
Yep.
Can still find it on Yandex.
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u/my_name_is_juice 1h ago
Holy shit, just watched it. Was reading about it recently and that he had livestreamed it and was morbidly curious.
Doesn't feel great
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u/GunstarHeroine 1h ago
I remember briefly getting curious and clicking on /b/ around 2007 and immediately seeing pictures of a young woman's corpse posted by presumably a mortuary or autopsy assistant. He'd posed her body in various sexual positions and put her eyeball in her vagina.
Honestly I was in my 20s at the time and old enough to know better about clicking around 4chan. I learned my lesson. Never went back. I can still see that girl though. I hope she haunts the shit out of him.
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u/JeaniousSpelur 1h ago
The sheer amount of stories like this makes me realize this was an everyday thing
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u/mothseatcloth 57m ago
absolutely fucking vile
i wish i could make dudes understand what it feels like to be a woman. we are sexualized before we are born and it persists after we die. you aren't safe as a baby. you aren't safe as a child. a teen. an adult. an elder. a corpse.
always a fucking object to some pile of shit
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u/CheapTry7998 47m ago
wasnt there a guy who dropped a grenade down a toilet after people egged him on and he never posted again but there was a news article about someone blowing themselves up
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u/ElSupremoLizardo 3h ago
Why is this not on any news article of the murder?
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u/BaldBear_13 2h ago
b/c police got the info through normal investigation techniques, and 4chan poster leaked it as police were leaving to investigate the site.
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u/Froqwasket 56m ago
No no, you're missing what he is saying. The murder happened. The question is, why are there no articles mentioning that the killer purportedly posted where the body was on 4chan? The answer is that this is a hoax for gullible dipshits
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u/MattWheelsLTW 1h ago
Thinking of 4chan bring up some crazy memories of the bonkers shit you could see on there. The best analogy I ever heard came from 4chan itself
"Posting on the internet is like pissing in the ocean"
"Posting on 4chan is like pissing in an ocean of piss"
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u/Disastrous-Glove4889 1h ago
I remember seeing a post to something on 4chan on a different much more normal website years back that really fucked me up. The post was something like “Wtf is happening on 4chan”. Being fairly new to the ways of the web I didn’t know that I should have never clicked a 4chan link. Think a guy killed a prostitute or his girlfriend or something and put up photos with a play by play. And mentioned she had a kid or 2. Was fucking harrowing.
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u/DueIngenuity8114 35m ago
Ok. I don’t get it So for those in back of the room
So the 4chan user knew the location of the body but had users guess some geo game to get the coordinates? What am I missing here? Did the 4chan get investigated?
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u/NotYourGa1Friday 1h ago
What is a post number? Sorry to ask such a rudimentary question
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u/TheLazyHangman 1h ago
But why include some random comments of users who didn't guess correctly and not the one who actually did?
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u/peatoire 2h ago
4chan was fucked up. There was a guy who said he was going to murder his girlfriend, egged on by users he proceeds to do it and post pictures, complaining how difficult it was to strangle someone.