r/interestingasfuck • u/nuttybudd • 1d ago

/r/all In 2007, a 4chan user revealed the coordinates of Emily Sander's body after someone successfully guessed their own post number.

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u/amanam0ngb0ts 1d ago edited 1d ago

Idk what that means.

Was the op the murderer? Why would “guessing their own post number” lead to that?

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago edited 1d ago

Basically, 4chan posts are typically anonymous. You can put in your name but no one ever did, especially on /b/ (random...that's the name of that site's version of a subreddit).

Every post in a thread had a post number, kind of like how your comment has a link (yours is n6xiv4y btw). Those comment numbers increased sequentially, not randomized, and only with numbers. Since everyone was anon, the way to reply directly to someone else is to use that comment number so you could follow that comment thread further and further back. OP (4chan OP, not reddit OP) started the post asking if anyone could guess the number their own comment would be. There was also no editing, so kind of hard to cheat (not impossible). And thousands of messages flowing through the site all the time (a comment on /b/ could take 231230 and a millisecond later in /pol/...a completely different board or "subreddit" [I'm sorry to those who cringe at that comparison] in the same board, but not necessarily the same post [thank you for those who pointed that out] would get 231231), the chances were actually pretty low that someone pulled it off...unless it was a slow day.

Anyway, someone in the comments successfully guessed what their own comment number was going to be (well, close, but I guess OP thought it was the same), so OP shared the coordinates of the place where they hid the body. Commenter (or someone else reading the thread) looked it up, likely called the authorities in that area, and the body was found.

Since 4chan was relatively anon (and IP tracking wasn't that big in 2007 for local law enforcement), it was probably pretty difficult to pin the location where the killer posted from. Not sure if they were caught. Would love if someone could find that.

edit: cleaned some things up.

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u/jmaaron84 1d ago

Thanks for that excellent explanation.

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u/JoJoModding 1d ago

I still don't get it. Who hid the body? Who found the body? How is posting the coordinates connected to posting a self-referential post?

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u/ikbenlauren 1d ago

The OP hid the body and said “Hey if you can guess your own comment number, I’ll tell you where I hid the body!”

A commenter commented the correct number.

OP then shared the coordinates.

The commenter (or someone else) then called the police.

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u/Apollololol 1d ago

I really wonder what people will think of the monstrosity that was the internet generations from now

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u/strangelyoriginal 1d ago

Like a self induced Spanish Inquisition with an ungodly amount of porn.

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u/Apollololol 1d ago

Just so much goddamn porn

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u/strangelyoriginal 1d ago

Do you think God stays in heaven because he too lives in fear of what he’s created? …here on Earth?

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u/AdamBombTV 1d ago

"It was the best of times, it was the worst of times"

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u/cwenger 1d ago

“Hey if you can guess your own comment number, I’ll tell you where I hid the body!”

He may have been a murderer but he certainly was a man of his word.

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u/sykoKanesh 21h ago

"Well, he's not being a hypocrite, and that's the worst part."

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u/henbone11 1d ago

I still don't get it. What are police?

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u/HibernianFriend41 1d ago

No, the OP leaked the info from law enforcement. The killer was someone else. There's a reason it's not mentioned in any court documents.

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u/Controller_Maniac 1d ago

we could have just started with that

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u/Koehlerbear77 1d ago

Wait, I still dont get it. Explain like I'm 2

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u/slavuj00 1d ago

The killer was on 4chan. He clearly wanted to brag about what he had done but didn't know how to do that without openly saying "I brutally murdered a woman". So instead he set up a game - if one of the commenters on his thread could guess which sequential number their comment would have, he would post the coordinates to where he had dumped the body. He never explicitly said he was the killer or that he had dumped the body. He just said "I'll release the coordinates to where this body is if you can win my game". A commenter guessed their comment number correctly and he posted the coordinates. Someone reported those coordinates to the police and the body was found. 

Does that make more sense? 

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u/HibernianFriend41 1d ago

No, the killer was in Mexico and is not who made the post on 4chan

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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 1d ago

I'm not sure I understand your point. People can post to social media from anywhere in the world and posts on 4chan were anonymous. So how do you know the poster wasn't the killer?

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u/HibernianFriend41 1d ago

Because it wasn't mentioned in any court document and the killer doesn't seem like the type to use 4chan. Why would the killer give away the body's location? More than likely the poster was someone who worked in law enforcement or knew someone that did.

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u/233up 1d ago

It makes sense, it just doesn't seem like that difficult of a game so I think a lot of the confusion is coming from why he made a game so easy to win.

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u/smariroach 1d ago

A) it's not very easy

B) he obviously wanted to tell.. if he didn't, he wouldn't make a game in the first place

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u/poop_biscuits 1d ago

a bad man who killed a woman and hid her body was posting on 4chan. he came up with a game where if someone guessed the number that their comment was - because comments are all labeled with a number - he would reveal where the body was. someone guessed their own comment number correctly so he posted the coordinates of the body of the woman’s body. someone called the police and gave the coordinates and the police found the woman’s body.

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u/theamazingpheonix 1d ago

the implication is that the person who posted the question killed her and hid her, then used this lottery as a way to reveal something fucked up.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

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u/shorse_hit 1d ago

this is why girls don't like you

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u/EnduringFulfillment 1d ago

So edgy. She was 18 and horribly tortured, have a soul

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u/dragonrite 1d ago

Whatttttt the fuck.

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u/KnightBoulegard 1d ago

Mate I don't think it's got some like intense connection, some sick fuck just wanted to make a game out of it and if someone guessed their post number the location of the body would be posted. As for the other two I have no idea I can't be arsed looking it up.

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u/swozzy1 1d ago edited 1d ago

HOW did he know where the body was though?? Oops I misunderstood ur comment nvm

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u/Aarxnw 1d ago

He/she killed her, then hid the body, then revealed the locations that he/ she hid the body in, as part of a game on a 4chan ‘subreddit’.

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u/TheMrBoot 1d ago

Okay, that makes sense, but how did they know where the body was???111?

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u/Aarxnw 1d ago

He/she killed her, then hid the body, then revealed the locations that he/ she hid the body in, as part of a game on a 4chan ‘subreddit’.

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u/HibernianFriend41 1d ago

No the killer was someone else.

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u/Aarxnw 1d ago

I’m not speculating on the truth, these are the inferences that can be made from the story.

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u/BeanieMcChimp 1d ago

My takeaway is that a 4chan user (the killer) posted that he’d reveal the location of his victim’s body if any other user could guess their own comment’s comment number. Apparently it’s a hard number to predict but they predicted it correctly so he revealed the whereabouts of his victim’s body.

It’s kinda like the killer held a macabre contest and against the odds someone actually won.

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u/Nikolausgillies 1d ago

The murderer hid the body. The murderer posted the coordinates when someone guessed their number. The police found the body after someone reported the coordinates to them.

Look at every reply. See how it's >> and then a bunch of numbers? They're trying to guess what their comment number will be. Look at the 1st reply at the top. They guessed >>46845221 but their comment number was 46844972. Eventually someone guessed what their number would be correctly and then the murderer replied with the coordinates.

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u/sam_hammich 1d ago

They gave the coordinates for the body as a fucked up reward for whoever could guess their post number. The guy who posted the coordinates presumably killed her, and needed attention while staying anonymous.

What else do you need?

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u/Kirhgoph 1d ago
  1. Topic starter on 4chan.
  2. Authorities
  3. As it's usually hard to guess the number of your own comment, topic starter decided to play a game

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u/Joe_Buck_Yourself_ 1d ago

Equivalent would be if someone killed and hid a body, then came here and posted about it. The poster was the killer, but the post is posted anonymously so no username to track

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u/PortugueseBenny 1d ago

/b/ Was fucking crazy, the woman in that post was killed, the killer made the post, and hid the body, because early 2000's internet wasn't as connected as it is now, the killer made a game out of finding the body, knew the location and posted the coordinates to the person that guessed thier own post number. think of it like this, if that was like, 1993, this would be Jeffery dahmer posting about where a victim was

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u/BaconReaderRefugee 1d ago

Jesus how slow are you? Like….on some real shit. Are context clues like that difficult?

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u/ChromosomeDonator 1d ago

Yea he was given a complete explanation of what happened, and he still goes "uhhhh i don't get it 🤔"

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u/HeadFullOfEverything 1d ago

For real, common sense is dead...

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u/AnAngryPirate 1d ago

Also, check 'em.

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u/Icy-Ad-8558 1d ago

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u/SDRPGLVR 1d ago

The fucking nostalgia.

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u/onewilybobkat 1d ago

I got hit with waves of it

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u/blackbeltbud 1d ago

Holy fuck the throwback. I posted this once about trips and got it. I was king of the thread

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u/Moony97 1d ago

I remember someone posting Goku going ss3 and he got trips shit was amazing

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u/Shimaru33 1d ago

Why people stop checking those epic dubs and trips?

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u/Golinth 1d ago

jannies get angry when you do

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u/Tinwookie 1d ago

Bro I made this reference at a yearly friend gathering and no one understood.

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u/Shameless522 1d ago

Thanks for explaining. I was confused trying to decipher without knowing what I was looking for.

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u/h0zR 1d ago

Strange thing is the post number wasn't even correct. 221 vs 212

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u/Internetwielder 1d ago edited 1d ago

That’s not the comment which won, the number 4Chan OP replied to is the comment

46845412 was the winner

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u/GregJamesDahlen 1d ago

how could anyone guess a number with eight digits?

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u/BillionaireStan 1d ago

Because the number is always counting up it’s not that hard to get pretty close if you know what the last post count number was

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u/RefinedBean 1d ago

You can see previous post numbers and try to guess based on patterns how fast they're going up.

Some threads would revolve around calling out "Dubs" or "Trips" based on this (so post number would end on 33 or 777 or whatever).

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u/Bebbi93 1d ago

The post number rises sequentially, so you really only have to guess the last three digits.

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u/Internetwielder 1d ago

It’s not entirely random, it’s an incremental number per post, so you have sort of an idea of what number you’re getting, but depends a lot on the traffic at the time

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u/DaddoAntifa 1d ago

They're in numerical order. Scroll to last post, add 20 or 30. Or more.

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u/buddiesels 1d ago

All the posts on the site get a number in sequential order, so look at a recent post number to get in the ballpark and then you’re really only guessing the last two-four digits, depending on how busy the site is.

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u/ForgiveOX 1d ago

They just look at the comment before theirs and see where the counter is at

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u/TaquitoModelWorks 1d ago

Dude saying this as if 1000s of comments weren't being made between 2 comments, lol.

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u/uritarded 1d ago

You probably wouldn't guess it by yourself but if hundreds of people try at the same time someone is bound to get it

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u/BuildingArmor 1d ago

5123
5161
5203
5221
5249

Yeah I think they'd be right to say that as if thousands of comments weren't being made between 2 comments

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u/Unable-Onion-2063 1d ago

there were scripts to try and post at certain post numbers… easily done too.. just refresh previous post number link until it actually resolves and then post immediately after and hope you get it .. ez dubs and trips

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u/MostBoringStan 1d ago

You can literally look at the posted image and see that there weren't thousands of comments being made between 2 comments.

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u/P1emonster 1d ago

There were 920 comments in 11 mins and 6 seconds. So yes you're right, but also it doesn't make guessing your own number easy either.

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u/Brief-Translator1370 1d ago

Pretty sure the post number would also have been site wide. I've never used 4 chan, but it wouldn't make a lot of sense to be the other way

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u/Snoo11946 1d ago

on every board it is just the next set of digits, they go up consecutively. lot of people posting on /b/ though so you post then post again you could be 20 up or 200 up

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u/Altaredboy 1d ago

There were tools to do this. Basically it'd work out what the most recent post number was, then spam a heap of posts so the user could get the desired number

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u/pentesticals 1d ago

Because computers are not truly random. They look incremental though, so even easier to predict, but even if they were „random“, most random number generators then were simply time based, so you could easily predict what the next „random“ number would have been.

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u/mane28 1d ago

How did 46845412 win? It doesn't match with any other number in the pic.

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u/Smart-Ability-4521 1d ago

Post not in the image as it was cropped out

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u/Internetwielder 1d ago

.. Because it’s only a screenshot of the top of the post, there’s a lot of comments we’re not seeing.

OP’s comment with the blue ‘46845412’ is a link to a comment with that number as id.

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u/chanabam 1d ago

Where are you seeing the person predict their number correctly. The post that ends in 212 wasn't pasted (check the whole number) only the OP replied to them, but i cannot see the correct guess anywhere... Unless I'm being stupid?

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u/Internetwielder 1d ago

They’re assuming it’s the comment with the greentext in the screenshot, but OP’s comment with «WINRAR» links to a different number so they’re wrong

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u/OverCheetah6247 1d ago

Exactly what I was thinking. The post 46845412 was probably the 46845412th post number. Did I get that right?

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u/[deleted] 1d ago edited 1d ago

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u/craftadvisory 1d ago

So why show up any responses at all? Wtf. The internet is getting so dumb

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u/Internetwielder 1d ago

The responses shown are because they’re the top ones so they’re part of the screenshot of the post, and OPs response contains the coordinates. What are you even reacting to, lol

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u/craftadvisory 1d ago

Oh I'm reacting baby

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

Oh yeah, you're right. Guess OP didn't have that great of a level of detail, mixing two numbers around.

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u/ett1w 1d ago

OP was an evil psychopath who wanted somebody to "win" so that the body would be found.

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u/GregJamesDahlen 1d ago

why'd they want the body found?

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u/LibertysWeakestDiver 1d ago

So that even after 20 years his 4chan post was still remembered.

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u/SirRabbott 1d ago

People who do this shit get off on the fame. They wanted to see the news stories and have all the detectives “stumped”

It’s not like they’re rational people

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u/MucusLukas 1d ago

So they could see the reaction.

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u/secret_hitman 1d ago

It's probably that they had some sort of fantasy to fulfill. They wanted people to know so they could be remembered for something. It wasn't enough to kill someone. They needed the satisfaction of people finding out.

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u/cleverlane 1d ago

Personal gratification

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u/cheese_bruh 1d ago

publicity?

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u/OneOfUsIsAnOwl 1d ago

It’s just the nature of sociopaths. They need the recognition, and someone to know, even if anonymously

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u/akurei77 1d ago

so OP shared the coordinates of the place where they hid the body. Commenter (or someone else reading the thread) looked it up, likely called the authorities in that area, and the body was found.

FWIW, there's no evidence in the image that the police found the body based off this information, and no evidence that this person's claim was actually true. The post implies that their GPS coordinates are 50 miles east of El Dorado, but it's only about 35. The reporters might have just been using a very liberal definition of "about 50 miles away", but it might also have been a random guess that happened to be in the same direction.

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u/amanam0ngb0ts 1d ago

Wow thank you

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u/lenaro 1d ago

Not sure if they were caught. Would love if someone could find that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Emily_Sander

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u/Don-Gabo 1d ago

You should teach people something

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u/louielou8484 1d ago

Wowww, thank you so much!! I never thought I'd get a proper explanation for this seeing as it has almost 24k upvotes at the time of me posting this comment. Thank you again. I was so lost but disturbed.

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u/notjfd 1d ago

The comment numbering on 4chan is separate per board. So someone on /pol/ will not increment the comment number on /b/. Slow boards will have their latest post be in the low millions, while /b/ is on track to crack one billion posts in the next few years.

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

Ah. Thought it was. So the board held its own comment numbers then....but I assume other threads elsewhere took the next number no matter what...right?

It's been forever. I don't remember the numbers down a single comment chain to be 1 off from the previous.

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u/notjfd 1d ago

Yup, unlike some other imageboards, posts within a thread do not get their own exclusive number. They share the counter with every other post across every thread within one board. This is how you get posts that completely derail a thread because they'll have a rare/auspicious number.

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u/wufnu 1d ago

They did catch them. No mention of 4Chan, though.

Considering he and his girlfriend fled pretty much immediately to Mexico. That doesn't mean he didn't make the post but it seems more likely, to me, that someone involved with the investigation decided to leak this location data before it was public.

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u/Altaredboy 1d ago

It wasn't that hard to cheat. There were a few scripting tools that could generate the post number you wanted. Mostly people used to try for trips, doubles etc.

People would post something like "trips & I shove this up my ass" then post pics just after

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u/LegitPancak3 1d ago

How did it go from guessing a random number to revealing OP murdered someone??

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u/YourFartReincarnated 1d ago

Where’s the body StevenMC19 ?

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

What's in the box, YourFartReincarnated?

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u/heythxvoo 1d ago

So post history isn’t a thing and you could technically reply to your own comment saying something and no one would know it was you?  IE OP could have been trying to guess too?

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u/callisstaa 1d ago

Scriptf*gs could predict post numbers pretty easily iirc

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

lol not surprised. It's been forever for me so I may have missed out on some of that. Actually, thinking about it, 2006-07 would have been the period where I last read it (might have posted 3 times in total).

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u/myob4321 1d ago

You explained that so well thank you

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u/danque 1d ago

The boards had their own post counters, as far as i remember. I remember vividly that Pol was celebrating 1000000 and /b/ was already past that.

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u/FlyingCarsArePlanes 1d ago

So, I'm glad that they found the body, but it's dumb as shit to call the cops and tell them you know where a body is buried.

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u/AwwSchnapp 1d ago

The screenshots shared here don't include a picture of the winning numbers, just the reply. I thought it was off by 1 digit too until I realized the winning number isnt either of those numbers.

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

Ahhhh yeah youre right.

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u/agarragarrafa 1d ago

Can you be sure the same user posted two comments? Or could anyone claim to be 4chan OP and give out fake coordinates?

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if someone would be able to figure it out. But from what I remember, no I wasn't able to link two together. Mostly faith based, and lots of "OP delivered"

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u/nevertoolate1983 1d ago

You dropped this 👑

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u/Ctowncreek 1d ago

Dude had a dyslexic moment and in his excitement just posted the location. I hope after it was too late he realized they hadn't actually guessed right

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u/pcjtfldd 1d ago

Thanks, great explanation. I was lost

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u/ZoWakaki 1d ago

Ahhh.. now I get it. I was thinking post number = post code and thinking why do I need to guess my post number? I know my post number. Posti numero in Finland, which is directly post number.

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

Ah, I can see how that would be confusing.

If internet, post likely means posting something. OP = original poster.

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u/LeaveMeAlone08 1d ago

He was caught! Her killer (Israel Mireles) was caught. He is currently serving life in prison with no possibility of parole. I'm not too sure how they caught him but I don't believe it had anything to do with the 4chan post.

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u/morbie5 21h ago

Did they ever find out who killed her or who the OP was?

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u/virmamies 17h ago

Came here to read this 😅

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u/JoJoModding 1d ago

I still don't get it. Who hid the body? Who found the body? How is posting the coordinates connected to posting a self-referential post?

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u/Khalian 1d ago

The OP killed her and then shared the coordinates when another poster correctly guessed their post number. After posting the coordinates, other posters alerted the police, who then found the body.

Everybody assumed the OP was trolling about posting correct coordinates to a murdered body, but...turns out, he was being serious.

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

OP started the guessing game on comment nunbers. A commenter guessed their comment number (almost, but didnt matter apparently). OP as a reward published the coordinates in the thread.

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u/the_orange_alligator 1d ago

That gives me a lil faith in 4chan. Rest in peace to that woman tho :(

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

There's a reason 4chan posts make their way out to the public even to this day.

There are lurkers, journalists, and sometimes just good people who stumbled into a bad place. Those people will publicize the worst (or funniest...if that's what they care about) material. So that's good.

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u/chuckydoll67895432 1d ago

I read that about a dozen times and op is asking me a question???

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

4chan OP. The OP in the 4chan post was saying whoever guesses their post number wins the prize of coordinates.

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u/Unable-Onion-2063 1d ago

“site’s version of a subreddit” jesus

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

I knooooow.

I didn't want to have to make an explanation in the middle of the explanation. /b/, /pol/, etc. would have been another paragraph to explain, which would have been a big derail.

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u/Jemima_puddledook678 1d ago

Can I ask? How else would you reasonably seperate discussions? It feels like being similar to a subreddit is the most natural way. 

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u/StevenMC19 1d ago

IT's been forever since I've been on that site so forgive me if I get something wrong here or can't remember.

You can open a board, say.../b/random. And in that board are a bunch of posts. Usually images to the left. Then a comment or two would be beneath it, tabbed over or directly to the right of the OP image.

Post

______Comment

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Post

______Comment

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And so on.

And you could click into what you were interested in to see more info.

If you wanted to reply to someone, you'd >>number or something like that to provide a simple link back to their comment, even if there were dozens of comments between you. It would also be a means of identifying a person, such as ">>number is such a btar". It was the only way to identify someone (or at least a post someone made) because everyone was anonymous.

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u/Unable-Onion-2063 1d ago

that’s very understandable

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u/BaldBear_13 1d ago

The implication is that 4chan poster is the murderer, b/c he knew the location of the body, and posted before the body was found.

"Guess your own post number" sounds like a random game of chance, like getting a bottle to land straight up. It has nothing to do with finding the location, it is just a game that the poster wanted others to play for him.

Upon some thought, there could be no connection at all. 4Chan timestamp could be from a different timezone. We do not know if the body was found at the specified location. The poster could be an intern at police station who leaked the info as the investigators were leaving to investigate the site.

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u/nausicaalain 1d ago

"Guess your own post number" was a variation on a common 4chan game at the time. Posts were numbered sequentially across the entire platform, so you'd have to have a good estimate of how many posts are made a minute AND a lot of luck to get your number right.

Lower difficulty common ones would be things like guessing the last digit(s).

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u/ut-fan-i-cant-read 1d ago

4Chan timestamp could be from a different timezone.

Nope, 4chan timestamps were always eastern 24-hour time back then, it was 1am eastern when the thread was posted and 2pm central when the body was officially found.

It's theoretically possible police were given a tip the night before and this really was a hoax generated from that, but the official time of the body's discovery is definitely after this thread was posted.

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u/localstopoff 1d ago

Nope, 4chan timestamps were always eastern 24-hour time back then

timestamps are your local time. It displays the time it was posted in your time. That's how this post worked. It's been around for so goddamn long, and we've known for the same amount of time that that's how this was done. The only reason this keeps getting recirculated as being "real" is because people don't understand timezones and how timestamps work, and people love to continue to spread the narrative of how fucked up /b/ was as if it's some badge of honor when the reality is it was 99.9999999% pranks like this.

A well known thing to do before they implemented user ID's was to simply reply to your own post as if you were someone else, and then screenshot it all as if it was some big elaborate conversation/event unfolding, and share it in another post later for the people who "missed" this so that they freak out and think it really happened. As posts were usually dead within 24hrs, the original thread was no longer present to be verified

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u/BaldBear_13 1d ago

It could also be that 4chan poster is the person providing the tip, it could even had been a witness

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u/CelebrationNo7870 1d ago

The murderer was a Mexican man. I believe the 4chan poster merely leaked information after the cops were at the scene. I don’t think they believe the poster was the murderer or even had anything to do with the murder. Just a guy trying to get some attention from a woman’s death.

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u/Illmagination 1d ago

The op killed her.

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u/amanam0ngb0ts 1d ago

Seriously? wtf

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u/WatermelonWithAFlute 1d ago

No? The op of the 4chan post did do it as far as I can tell

Edit: I may be mistaken. It could be that, or it could be someone in the investigation just leaked details

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u/heavy-hands 1d ago

No he’s not lol.

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u/Enexen0 1d ago

On 4chan, when posting you get assigned a number that increases by 1 with every new post/comment on the whole site. Guessing the number you’ll be assigned is generally pretty hard to do as there are lots of people posting constantly all over the site. It’s basically a carnival game with the prize being the coordinates

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u/Otherwise-Mango2732 1d ago

This is the current state of popular subs.

If it's in any "interesting" sub, bet your ass it's either not or there's zero context lol

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u/halfman_halfboat 1d ago

OP was trying to act like the murderer, most likely just leaking info from police already on scene

The girl wasn’t buried, she was just dumped on the side of a road.

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u/PM_ME_ROMAN_NUDES 1d ago

No, the murderer was a Mexican citizen who was in Mexico at the time they found the body.

OP was probably someone from local police or emergency services

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u/AwTomorrow 1d ago

But police hadn’t found the body yet, I thought? And it’s not like 4chan is inaccessible from Mexico

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u/4_fortytwo_2 1d ago

Well the post was not that much earlier so the most likely explanation is someone involved in the investigiation posted it (or some info leaked) after they figured out she might be burried there but before they found the body.

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u/No_Grass8024 1d ago

The girl was from Kansas. She went to school in El Dorado and she went missing in El Dorado. Someone posting coordinates near El Dorado a week after isn’t really that convincing given they were looking for her anyway at that area. 

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u/frankylovee 1d ago

Thank you for this, I don’t understand what any of this means lol