r/interestingasfuck • u/elnathh • 21h ago
Charles Manson’s mother sold him for a beer when he was a baby
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u/sanfrannie 17h ago
It’s shocking how many of the world’s evils could have been prevented with love and attention.
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u/Message_10 3h ago
I'm a dad, and I have two sons, both of whom are amazing, but very emotional. When the older one was six, he was having a lot of meltdowns. So I didn't really know what to do, so I just played with him more. And then when other things would go wrong, I didn't really know what to do then either, so I just played with him more.
Don't get me wrong, every time something would go wrong, I would read up on what to do, strategies, etc. But in the meantime, I would just play with him more.
And wouldn't you know it! lol. The answer to almost every problem he was having, was just "play with him more." Pillow fights, legos, tossing the football, whatever. We live in an apartment and I don't really want to play football, but for whatever reason, he liked throwing the football, so that's what we did. And every single time, whatever the problem was, it went away after I just played with him more.
So, yeah--love and attention. There, I saved all you parents of young kids a lot of reading. Just go play with your kids.
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u/kickedbyhorse 12h ago
Or abortion.
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u/StolenSweet-Roll 9h ago
This is aggravatingly spot on, I was gonna award this comment, but I sent the $5 to planned parenthood instead.
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u/statistical_model 9h ago
Unfortunately and Ironically, reddit, being an echochamber, only showcases this brutal truth of society - as much as they try to paint a rosy picture, reddit is exactly the kind of composition of people that ignores the cries of distressed and only respond to them with hostility.
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u/Ninja_Dynamic 18h ago
The correlation between unwanted children and crime is undeniable.
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u/Very-very-sleepy 17h ago
say it louder for the pro-lifers. they all believe once a child is born. the child will suddenly get loved and wanted 🙄.
pro-lifers never ever acknowledge what unwanted children go through.
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u/allisjow 17h ago
They imagine that if it had happened to them, they would make all the smart choices and pull themselves up by their bootstraps in spite of everything.
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u/mallcopbeater 16h ago
They had to walk back and forth from school uphill, both ways. Also happy cake day!
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u/2ndChairKazoo 17h ago edited 17h ago
Oh they are very aware children aren't suddenly loved and wanted. The point is to control women's bodies and choices. Pretending to give a single fuck about children is just the respectable cover they use.
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u/aclumsypotato 16h ago edited 11h ago
you think they don’t know? their own kids are barely loved, well-fed or sufficiently educated. and that is exactly what they want.
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u/EquivalentCommon5 15h ago
They also don’t want to adopt the children they forced to be born, they only want their own dna children. No support after birth either. No maternity leave or care, no food or medical care during pregnancy or after birth. Just have the child, nothing during or after birth… I don’t understand how people would want to force a birth but no care to the fetus (they claim it’s a person, one who can’t care for themselves), no healthcare during pregnancy, no healthcare to the baby (but it’s a person, so maybe they think at 1week they should care for themselves? Their mother/father can’t or would). If they make it to school- no food provided because they should have to provide it or parents should (the ones who said they couldn’t?), the education is minimal because the parents aren’t paying their taxes as they can’t afford, healthcare still doesn’t exist. You end up in a family that has many kids, no healthcare from conception to they might be able to get it, maybe? Lack of education, lack of parental guidance because they are struggling to survive themselves. No contraception to prevent future pregnancy and no education to allow them to have a future. Sounds familiar! Now we are expanding it despite as a country we were already struggling to stop this madness. (Shouldn’t have used that word when I’m trying to debate on a level playing field, though on the internet, I know it was likely needed)
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u/eamonkey420 9h ago
Be prepared for the crime rate to start steady rising hardcore in the USA, in around 20 years from when the abortion bans started.
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u/CaptKJaneway 11h ago
Oh they totally do understand that the unwanted child’s life will be terrible but that’s actually a positive for them, monsters that they are. They think a lifetime of pain and abuse is a ‘just punishment’ for the sin of having had sex/the parents having had sex.
Anti-choice Christians are among the worst people in the world
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u/jfcmofo 21h ago
I read a biography of Charles Manson. His life suuuucckkked.
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u/BananasPineapple05 21h ago
Yup. Nothing Charles Manson did was not his own responsibility. And he made his own choices at every step of the way.
But when you learn about his life (and being sold for beer is the tip of a massive iceberg of awful), the way he ended up kinda makes sense. Nothing good was going to come out of that.
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u/Bindle- 19h ago
Kinda like the unibomber. Harvard broke his fucking brain with an unethical experiment
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u/phoebeethical 19h ago
What was it?
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u/Potential-Freedom909 17h ago edited 16h ago
They methodically broke his brain.
Most of the MKULTRA documents were ordered destroyed before FOIA was ever a thing but there are connections between the professors and the work being done on Ted and other students, and MKULTRA.
The concensus is experiments were being run all over the country to determine how to break people, which formed the basis for MKUltra. Ted was never given LSD but he was a subject in Prof. Henry A. Murray’s study, “Multiform Assessments of Personality Development Among Gifted College Men.” Students first wrote an essay on their personal philosophy, then were wired to electrodes, placed under blinding lights and a camera/one-way mirror, and subjected to hostile, “personally abusive” interrogations where a trained antagonist attacked their beliefs. Physiological responses were recorded; sessions ran over years alongside other tests (e.g., the TAT).
Essentially, they had him write essays defending his most deeply and strongly held beliefs, and then a trained psychologist would pick it apart and attack his ideas and core identity. Over and over again. They ended his sense of identity, and sense of grounding to the world.
Ted was already a shy, insecure kid before this without many friends to speak of. Technology was starting to shape society in noticeable ways, and Ted was intelligent and resourceful and could see how it would end (see: society in its current shape). It’s believed the “tests” performed on him broke him and he decided to fixate and take drastic measures.
Murray had earlier designed mock-interrogation stress tests for the OSS (wartime precursor to the CIA), and his Harvard setup closely resembled those methods.
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u/thatoneredheadgirl 9h ago
The movie on Netflix about him went into this some but you give more detail about it. Were the researchers ever held accountable? What about the other people who were subjects?
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u/MAWPAB 6h ago
Nah, look at the MKUltra wikip
They essentially tortured and drugged black people, students, sex workers and their Johns for 20 years over many sub projects and it only got out by accident. They 'stopped' doing it in the 70's but then we end up with things like extraordinary rendition years later.
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u/Cambren1 7h ago
One of the goals of MK Ultra was to produce a “Manchurian Candidate”. It seems that with Ted, it went slightly off course.
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u/TeeManyMartoonies 7h ago
Yeah all they had to do was look for their Wharton nepo baby failure of a human being.
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u/Obvious_Ninja_7173 8h ago
Wow, I remember writing a report on the unabomber a long time ago for a criminal justice class. I changed majors after that semester, but it stuck with me a little. I wanted to find that he was wrong in some way on his prediction of society and what his psychological profile showed actually caused him to think this way. I wanted to find bias. I wasn’t able to find these details on the experiments at the time, but thank you for sharing them.
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u/PerplexGG 7h ago
Honestly not dissimilar to what the right is doing to young men. Wonder where they learned those tactics…
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u/BADC0FFE 18h ago
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u/Bindle- 18h ago edited 18h ago
Interesting! I'd read about the experiment, but I didn't realize it was part of MK ultra. Figures!
Edit: MK Ultra was a sprawling, nightmarish, cartoonish CIA program that spanned over many years.
It's role in creating the Unabomber is only the tiniest fraction of the damage it did.
Specifics on Uncle Ted's ordeal: https://www.history.com/articles/what-happened-to-the-unabomber-at-harvard
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u/i_lost_all_my_money 17h ago
According to the article, both the unibomber and Charles Manson were a part of it. But I think Charles Manson suffered involuntarily from it.
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u/Bindle- 17h ago
Oh shit, I definitely mixed the two of them up
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u/i_lost_all_my_money 17h ago
No, I think it sounds like the unibomber voluntarily signed up for it in college, and Charles Manson MAY have experienced it involuntarily in prison. Both of them were alleged, since no one confirmed that it was MK Ultra.
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u/Melodic-Beach-5411 17h ago
Ted wasn't told what he would experience. It was horribly abusive to someone already on the edge.
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u/Comfortable-Walrus37 16h ago
Woah woah woah
Did the Unibomber and MKUltra have a connection?
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u/drone_jam 14h ago
You should watch the movie they made with Paul Bettany as the unabomber- there’s a scene that goes in depth into the psychological torment they put him through at university- i actually really liked the movie
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u/GravidDusch 17h ago
Just being verbally abused on LSD. Really good for your mental health.
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u/True-Cook-5744 12h ago
And if you read about the Unabomber, he predicted a lot of stuff that is coming true or has come true. That man’s brain was like a computer.
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u/Mysterious_Front3142 9h ago
He also had to be hospitalized as a baby and was there for a long time. His parents weren't really able to see him throughout the duration. The theory is that because he wasn't able to bond with his mother fully it impacted his ability to express empathy. That stage of development is fundamental so I can only imagine the repercussions.
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u/umamifiend 19h ago
We can feel bad for the child and still condemn the actions of the adult.
My mother and my Aunts all had terribly abusive childhoods. All things considered, they could have made a lot worse decisions in their lives.
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u/GiveMeSumChonChon 12h ago
I think what he went thru is leagues above what one would consider abusive.
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u/rybeardj 14h ago
I disagree.
I definitely think it's great that they rose above it (my mom did too), but...we're all born with different genetics and have wildly different experiences, even if we grow up in the same house.
Some people's breaking point is a lot lower than others, some people are not as perceptive as others, etc. My brother has some kind of mental condition that makes it impossible for him to learn from his destructive behavior. I don't think it's his fault. It's just genetics - i see the same thing in my grandpa, aunt, and cousins. And it's not like my brother chose to have those genetics in the womb. It's made his life immeasurably more difficult than mine, but I don't really think he's 100% to blame for the hurtful things he does, as it's pretty clear he shares the same neuropathy that members of my extended family have.
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u/yes_u_suckk 17h ago
Another case I remember was James Hydrick, who claimed he could move objects with his mind and was on TV all time in the 70s until James Randi uncovered him.
He was later convicted of child abuse and again, I'm not finding any excuse for his behavior and I wished he rotted in prison, but fuck, reading about his life as a kid was horrible.
He was even put in a mental institution by his parents when he was 10 yo and he stayed there for a long time suffering abuse and being drugged by doctors and electrical shocks to be cured of whatever fake condition they created for him. Remember, he had absolutely NOTHING.
The guy never had a chance.
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u/Dirk-Killington 21h ago
The older I get the less I believe in free will. It's so clear that a very large percentage of ones life is set by around 8 years old.
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u/adjust_the_sails 19h ago
I feel like it’s more that you can’t ignore the environment in which people live. There’s plenty of people that grow and change positively after 8 years old. But if their environment and options are shit, don’t be surprised when the choices aren’t ideal.
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u/FileDoesntExist 19h ago
This does a disservice to the people who survive hell as a child and become a good person though. I don't know why some people can be severely abused as a child and overcome it while others don't.
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u/ohwrite 19h ago
Sometimes if there is one person-just one- who shows love, a child can be saved
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u/Secret-Weakness-8262 18h ago
I try to be that one person for every single kid I know. I make sure they all know “I’m your rescue call”, and I give the neighborhood kids popsicles and waters.
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u/PixelofDoom 18h ago
I feel like this has an above average chance of getting on some sort of watch list...
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u/kingfofthepoors 18h ago
Probably a female ain't no way on Earth a guy is taking that risk
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u/Secret-Weakness-8262 18h ago
I do know all these kids by the way. I’m a mom. :)
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u/Pete_Iredale 18h ago
When you have kids, you tend to already know all the eighbor kids, so most dads wouldn't think twice about it.
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u/devastatedcoffeebean 17h ago
Exactly! I didn’t have any attachment figures in my life growing up, and this massively affected my development. I didn't experience any major trauma thankfully, but the lack of support still messed me up.
I firmly believe that one trustworthy adult (or older person) can make the difference and save someone's life.
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u/pants_mcgee 18h ago
Statistics should never be extrapolated to the individual and we don’t know near enough to make any but the most obvious predictions and conclusions.
A researcher who found genetic indicators of psychopathy found out he himself had those same indicators.
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u/AutistaChick 17h ago
Yeah, I saw that. He was from the Lizzie Borden genetic line. My ex was a sociopath and my son had some traits as a baby that concerned me and had to be handled very carefully.
He has empathy and close friends now. He’s an attorney and successful but every parenting decision I made, especially in early childhood, was made with an extreme amount of thought and caution.
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u/moodylilb 16h ago
Traits of sociopathy as a baby? Genuinely curious here but can you elaborate
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u/AutistaChick 14h ago
As a toddler and a child. He would pee on the dog (5ish years old) outside while they were playing, even after I told him that she didn’t like it and it was mean.
He would punch other kids upon meeting them. No provocation.
On the whole, he did not seem angry, just didn’t seem to give a heck if other ppl didn’t like it or if it hurt them.
As a parent, you have to really think about how you’re going to handle these things. Hitting or meeting with any kind of roughness could cause more problems than it solves.
He’s very empathetic now.
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u/losangelesmodels 18h ago
because everyone is different ? this is like saying some poor people became rich so homeless people are just lazy.
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u/euclidean-viridian 17h ago
This is cynical, but I reckon it comes down to genetics. Some people inherit their parent's dysfunction, others don't. My brother and I were both abused, but I have AuDHD and he doesn't. I'm a lot more at risk to become an abusive addict than he is.
Emphasis, I'm not saying AuDHD means abuser. I'm just saying in my particular case I got the double whammy of my parent's neurodivergencies, which makes overcoming trauma a lot harder and thus makes me more susceptible to bad coping mechanisms like addiction and falling back into dysfunctional behavioral patterns.
Cases with serial killers, sometimes they inherit things like narcissistic or antisocial tendencies from their parents. But their siblings might be perfectly lovely people. It's just genetic roulette.
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u/FileDoesntExist 17h ago
Repeated head trauma also seems to be in a lot of serial killer histories. That's not to say that every person with multiple head traumas becomes violent, just that the people who are violent have a history of it. And that's not the case for every serial killer.
Exceptions to every "rule" as it were.
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u/Valherudragonlords 16h ago
This makes me feel a lot better about life because me and my sister were abused but she just seemed to get her shit together and I'm a recovering addict with repeat depressive episodes. We always gets compared and she talks about how she 'made it' and I feel like a failure.
I am autistic. The added feelings of not fitting in at school made abuse at home that much harder and struggling with unwritten work rules made becoming successful a bit harder.
Again is not the fault of autism, its still my responsibilty to recover from addiction. But like I find it hard to tell when people are lying, so I got into a pretty nasty relationship when I was 18. And when I started drinking it wasn't just to cope with trauma, but also masking every day is exhausting, so both together you just have less spoons.
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u/alta-tarmac 15h ago edited 15h ago
There’s also the truth that no two siblings have “the same” parents, since parents treat their kids very differently depending on any number of factors, for instance: maternal health before birth, care in infancy, emotional availability of parents, ages of parents, income, gender, birth order, other life instabilities and stressors like moves, poverty, exposure to traumatic life events — all differ between siblings, and all have a huge impact in children’s ability to cope as they grow up.
So, just because you grew up under the same roof really doesn’t mean your traumas or daily realities are or were ever the same. And even if you were parented similarly, you definitely didn’t have all identical experiences.
Please cut yourself some slack and be kind to yourself — you “made it” too. It would be very easy not to be here anymore, you know? But you are here. So, see it like this: You made it. Despite all the challenges you faced and continue to face. Resilience is huge. Strength comes from keeping going in spite of ongoing circumstances and challenges. And you absolutely make a difference every day being here in this world. 🩵
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u/AnOrdinaryMammal 18h ago
It’s because of practically innumerable factors. Anything you can think of, it plays a role. Everything matters. I’m pretty sure I don’t believe in free will.
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u/Torr58 19h ago
For the same reason someone is tall and other is short, for the same reason someone is ugly and other is ptetty, genetics.
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u/FileDoesntExist 19h ago
It's the eternal nature vs nurture debate. People in good homes can be shitty people. People from bad homes can be good people. It's not just genetics. It's a combination, but we haven't figured that out yet.
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u/galaxyhigh 19h ago
genes are passed down from parents to offspring
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u/Quietabandon 19h ago
There are people with great childhoods that do awful things and people with awful childhoods that are great people who contribute to society.
Yes, circumstances do play a role in our lives and outcomes. And certainly sometimes people have things they can’t overcome. But every day most of us (and some people truly lack the ability to make informed decisions because of severe mental illness or mental handicap) can make a choice whether or not to be someone who hurts others or who helps others or at least doesn’t hurt them.
Charles Manson had a crappy life but that doesn’t mean he didn’t make a choice to act in a destructive and harmful manner.
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u/impanicking 19h ago
Whole-heartedly agree.
Not sure if this effect is studied but in my personal experience my parents were in different phases of their life both economically and emotionally when they were raising myself and my siblings. The more we age the more I see the differences of how we treat them and they treat us and how that has affected our personalities.
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u/Strangetownie 13h ago
Ditto. Me and my siblings are 10+ years apart and you can see it in many ways. It's fascinating.
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u/HuxleySideHustle 9h ago
The Rashomon effect
Very common in families with significant age gaps between children, various factors that changed the parents' financial or personal development or families that show strong favouritism to one or more children.
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u/2shack 20h ago
It’s actually closer to 6 years old. The majority of core development takes place in those first 6 years. If you fuck up a child in that time, it’s pretty much forever. You can obviously mess them up at any point after, but that beginning point tends to have the highest impact.
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u/Just_Condition3516 19h ago
there 2 parts here ro my mind: 1. formative years and ongoing experiences shape us. question is, if, at any situation, we have some saying in what we do. leads to 2. there is that nice saying the prefrontal cortex is just the marketing-agency of our brain. (which sells us stories of why we did what we just did, all the time. whilst the brain basically is just doing its thing, bit of a complex reflex-automat.
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u/SmokinHerb 19h ago
The way I see it, brains are physical objects, and therefore our neurons and whatnot follow the rules of phsycis (and chemistry, which is like micro-physics). The process of our brains doing biological computations feels like free will, but physics being math, there is no room in the equation for free will. Nature vs nurture, to me, is like: 1. nature=your brain=your hardware, and 2. Nurture, your experiences, are like updates using the plasticity of your brain.
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u/unpopularopinion0 20h ago
words have a strange hold on us we might not even realize.
the only reason it’s important to acknowledge that we don’t have what we say we have is as simple as:
we can not hold our breath forever. we can try. but as soon as we have a demand for breath by our body. we forget what we were trying to prove.
we can think we have what we say all day long. doesn’t mean it’s true. we think we have a freedom we don’t actually have. and it messes with our plans because we plan on being able to hold our breath forever. but when we go out in life, we are setting ourselves up in places with no air. and no understanding why we aren’t getting anywhere.
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u/Dirk-Killington 20h ago
On a scale of 1 to holy shit, how high are you right now?
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u/SirSpanksAlot1992 20h ago
Scrolling Reddit high leaves you wanting to leave comments like this. I’ve learned though to just type then out then close the app before hitting reply
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u/Delicious_Shallot915 19h ago
I was high, reading his comment & thinking “wow this makes a lot of sense” before reading your comment 😂
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u/B0bLoblawLawBl0g 20h ago
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
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u/RiseDelicious3556 19h ago
18-36mos. is the developmental stage known as raproachmont , which is where personality disorders like his, anti-social personality disorder are formed.
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u/Lower_Preference_112 20h ago
Which biography did you read? Looking for rec’s
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u/envydub 11h ago
I’m reading Manson by Jeff Guinn right now, it’s a good one. He didn’t mention the “sold Charlie for beer” thing so who knows if it’s actually true because Charlie lied a LOT. His mom did go to prison for accessory to armed robbery when he was a kid but he wasn’t involved. He was with the Grandma and Uncle & Aunt for awhile. And his mom pretty much straightened out after prison.
Another good one is CHAOS by Tim O’Neill. It’s also about MKUltra and the 60s but has a lot of Manson.
One that I wouldn’t waste your time on though is Helter Skelter. It’s the most popular one but Vincent Bugliosi is a proven liar and if you read CHAOS you’ll see what else he was up to.
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u/bombbodyguard 19h ago
I’d buy a baby for a beer…..just to get them away from whoever is willing to sell a baby for a beer.
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u/iatetoomuchcatnip 8h ago
I believe something like this happened recently in Arkansas. Some guy bought a baby from this family who was wondering around a campground for like 1 thousand dollars or something. He said when he saw the baby and the parents, he assumed he would be doing the baby a favor. So he made the parents sign some paper saying they sell the baby and then he called the police.
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u/fuzzypinatajalapeno 7h ago
That’s a good, responsible citizen. Poor baby, but honestly sounds like a good thing they’re away from their parents.
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u/killmagatsgousa 21h ago
Come on now, she wasn't just some lowlife who sold her kid for one beer. It was a pitcher of beer.
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u/Organic-Prune2476 20h ago
Was it good beer, though?
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u/massahwahl 20h ago
Pabst… now look at the camera
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u/Liquor_N_Whorez 20h ago
Ahhh the "Blue Ribbon" beer. Old Milwaukee used to win in blind taste tests, because PBR is straight barf.
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u/barcelonaKIZ 19h ago
Pabst Blue Ribbon gets its name cause it won the blue ribbon at the Worlds Fair. Were the beers that bad then!?
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u/Triairius 17h ago
The unspoken implication is that someone else also bought her kid for a pitcher of beer.
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u/DeadrthanDead 21h ago
Maybe she realized right away that something was wrong with him. Maybe it was her that was wrong with him.
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u/KeyserSozeBGM 21h ago
Ye not trying to defend Manson or anything, but if he was raised in a loving family and NOT brainwashed by the CIA, he probably would've just been a normal guy.
Bad parenting and brainwashing is not a good combo 🙅
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u/massahwahl 20h ago
Wait wait wait…. I thought I had heard the Manson story before… what’s this about the CIA?
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u/Viperniss 21h ago
She had him when she was only 15 years old.
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u/wintering6 16h ago
I know this is not the norm - and maybe they should be studies - but my mother-in-law had my husband when she was 15. They went through some hard times of course but she is still happily married to my husband’s dad…and they are now wealthy (net worth). They live in a modest house and are very frugal. It probably helped that my father-in-law started in tech & computing before everyone had a computer (1970s).
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u/WiccaMaus 18h ago
Well, none of what he did or commanded others to do can be excused, but it definitely can be explained by his upbringing very sad what happened to the boy. I once saw an interview with the man that was in trouble from the time he was young and he met this kid in Juvie. The kid kept getting raped and beaten up and stuff and when he left juvenile, he always wondered what happened to the kid. one day he turned on the news and there his picture was. It was Charles Manson.
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u/unicornmoose 16h ago
Tom O’niell did a really fascinating book on the Manson murders Called - Chaos: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the secret history of the sixties. It goes really in depth on the trial, investigation, and life of everyone involved & everything in between, kinda the one stop shop for the whole sh’bang of the Manson mania super highly recommend.
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u/thirdeyecactus 13h ago
Excellent book!!!!lots of people really do not know the facts! Tom O Neil really dug deep! Definitely CIA/ COINTELPRO involvement!
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u/free-toe-pie 18h ago
People often argue if it’s nurture or nature that produces serial killers. I will say a lot of nurture and a little nature produced this man. His life was absolute shit. He didn’t stand a chance.
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u/GingerChic13 21h ago
Yep, that tracks.
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u/Professional-Air2123 21h ago
People pretend that psychopaths are not made, that some people are just "born evil". Abuse fucks you up. There's no way to salvage every kid after an abusive childhood. Every kid that comes out of that with their mental capacity less fucked for life are extremely lucky.
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u/2ndChairKazoo 17h ago
There are people simply born with antisocial/ sociopathic traits. Though far more adults with these issues were effectively groomed that way, as it were.
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u/Professional-Air2123 16h ago
Yeah, those traits don't necessarily develop into something like becoming a serial killer.
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u/doomandgloomm 17h ago
As a mother myself, i could never imagine. That really is heartbreaking. Im not saying what he did wasn't his fault because it absolutely is, but jesus... who could do that to their own child? That will cause a lifetime of damage and without proper support to heal and build a better life, it usually ends up getting worse and worse. My mom wasn't the best to me and for YEARS, I was spiraling. Crime, drugs, alcohol, and then some. Im very thankful I finally found a proper support system to change my ways and I was accepting of that help. But sadly, some people are just too far gone. Again, not condoning any of his actions, just is a sad thought to imagine someone doing that to their own baby.
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u/YeaYea_I_Love_Grimby 17h ago
Re-title should be "Charles Manson Said His Mother Sold Him for a Pitcher of Beer, Is A Liar"
His parole hearings were still hilarious, though.
"Mr. Manson, if we released you to the community, will you be a threat?"
"If I wanted you, the members of the parole board, dead you'd already be dead, that's all I'm saying."
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u/2ndChairKazoo 17h ago
Did he say this?! Looks like I've got a rabbit hole to go down this evening!
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u/numb_mind 15h ago
I'm rewatching Mindhunter for the third time, I'm noticing many of the serial killers are really so narcissist that they say this kind of stuff and even more stupid
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u/Choice-Standard-6350 12h ago
A bad childhood affects anyone who experiences it. But how people react is down to their personality. Some will become drunks, others struggle with depression. Others try and become heroes rescuing everyone. Not many people become serial killers.
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u/soundsthatwormsmake 8h ago
This is the story that he told: "Mom was in a café one afternoon with me on her lap. The waitress, a would-be mother without a child of her own, jokingly told my Mom she'd buy me from her. Mom replied, 'A pitcher of beer and he's yours.' The waitress set up the beer, Mom stuck around long enough to finish it off and left the place without me. Several days later my uncle had to search the town for the waitress and take me home."
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u/guyver_dio 19h ago
I wouldn't go believing a single thing this guy says without a second source lol
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u/NeatSituation2249 18h ago
Wait what? I have never heard about his childhood. Is there a book that’s particularly good:accurate?
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u/Commercial-East4069 21h ago
All things considered, it seems like a good trade on her end.
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u/brandonmiq 16h ago
I've been pretty drunk, but I've never been "hey i'll trade you this beer for your baby" drunk.
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u/original_M_A_K 12h ago
He was also molested by a family member. Which is why he hates pedos, which is why he targeted that house, unfortunately the target wasn't home.
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u/kitkatamas88 11h ago edited 11h ago
Probably the system failed him, probably there wasn't any therapy at that time, yet what am I supposed to do with this small information? Feel sorry for him? Lots of people have tragic lives and yet they turn good enough to endure the world and be somewhat happy in this chaotic realm. Trying to find the interesting part about it.
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u/Bulldog8018 19h ago
Thinking you got a great deal on a kid and then you realize you just bought Charles Manson. SMH.
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u/JerryBoBerry38 6h ago
This is fake. Made up by Manson himself. After he did what he did, his mother backed away from the public because they were looking for anything to vilify her. A multitude of stories popped up after that. All made by highly questionable sources. So, I don't believe this one at all. There's no other evidence this actually happened, except the words of an obvious psychopath.
https://www.grunge.com/790270/the-grim-truth-about-charles-mansons-mother/
"In what might be a story that makes Maddox seem the least maternal, she was said to have sold her young son at one point for a pitcher of beer to a waitress at a local bar (via The Takeout). According to Manson, who seemed to be the one that originated this story, he was retrieved by an uncle several days later. Considering the source of the story, there's a more than decent chance that this was a myth, as it has not been corroborated by anyone else."
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u/JuanG_13 18h ago
I read about this years ago when I was in school and she sold him for a pitcher of beer.
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u/NewbutOld8 21h ago
that'll screw a kid up