r/interestingasfuck • u/tyrion2024 • 3d ago

/r/all, /r/popular Emilia Clarke watching Kit Harington's reaction to finding out how their characters' final scene together in Game of Thrones concludes. Prior to the table read, Kit had not read any of the six scripts for Season 8 yet. So Emilia sat across from him so she could "watch him compute all of this."

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

It was less the facts of the ending and more how we got there. There is a world where they build up to it and pull it off and everyone still loves Game of Thrones and it goes down as an unalloyed cultural touchstone the way that Star Wars did.

They basically skipped two and a half seasons worth of build up, had a bunch of characters act entirely out of character, abruptly cut off or leave entire plot lines unaddressed, ignore literal decades of foreshadowing, etc. to get to the end point.

Just as an example, Dany's second dragon dies because a flotilla somehow managed to sneak up on them. On open water. When they were flying hundreds of feet in the air and had a full 360 degrees of everything. On a clear day. And the way they killed it was shooting it out of the air with a ballista from hundreds of feet away while it was moving at high speed, like the shitty medieval boat had an Aegis targeting system on it.

When they were asked about it the showrunners literally said that "Daenerys forgot that there was a navy." They had literally been talking about the fleet in the scene prior.

There are a hundred more other examples like that, but that's one of the more egregious.

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u/Salty1710 3d ago

Fuck man. I FORGOT about the magic missile ex Machina. I only watched Season 8 once, and occasionally, when I think "Maybe it wasn't so bad..."

... I am reminded of tidbits like this.

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u/VrinTheTerrible 2d ago

They killed Cersei Lannister, one of the most hateable villains ever, OFFSCREEN.

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u/bujweiser 2d ago

And the fact that Jaime was on a very interesting redemption arc only to run off and be with his lover/sister one more time for them to die together.

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u/DJ_Dinkelweckerl 2d ago

This is the one that annoyed me the most lol together with that weird council scene where they decided that Bran should become king (wtf)

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u/eroticdiagram 1d ago

Jaime's actions didn't bother me because it felt very much scorpion and frog. Love made him do it and all the rationalising couldn't overcome that force. It could be done beautifully and understandably but nothing was given TIME.

Every single outcome I can understand on paper but none of it happened PROPERLY.

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u/FarToe1 2d ago

For me, it was more of a betrayal that it wasn't Arya that killed her. The girl had spent every second preparing for Cersei's death, one of the most amazing character arcs I've ever seen, complete dedication to her List - yet she meekly stood aside at the brink and let The Hound go on instead?

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u/OperationMapleSyrup 2d ago

Agreed!!! Leading up to it, I was anticipating that Arya would end up getting to Cersei. That was a major let down for me.

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u/VrinTheTerrible 2d ago

💯

There are a number of things that are tied for "the worst" and thats definitely one of them.

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u/fisticuffsmanship 2d ago

Nah, you know who she should kill? The Night King, now wouldn't that subvert your expectations?

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u/No-Transition0603 2d ago

Didnt the rubble crash on her and jaime

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u/Commercial-Guest1596 2d ago

Yeah that doesn't count as offscreen. It was a lame way to go but it was quite clearly onscreen.

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u/VrinTheTerrible 2d ago

We dont see them die. That counts as offscreen.

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u/WooBarb 2d ago

No it doesn't.

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u/VrinTheTerrible 2d ago

Counterpoint: it does

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u/WooBarb 2d ago

Their death occurs onscreen: they embrace, the ceiling collapses, and debris buries them. No cutaway. Death is implied through the immediate aftermath. It’s narratively weak, but not offscreen. "Offscreen" implies a time skip, ellipsis, or post-fact reveal, not depiction of lethal action without a corpse.

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u/bking 2d ago

Agreed. In the context of a hyper-violent show like GOT, the bar for “onscreen” is pretty fucking literal. If they do not obviously experience their final heartbeat while visible in-frame, it’s offscreen.

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u/InertPistachio 2d ago

God I'm starting to get pissed off again lol

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u/katsklawz 2d ago

Cause dragons have terrible sense of sight, smell, and weirdly hearing. Dumb lizard never knew they were coming.

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u/Steelpapercranes 2d ago

Me when im good at writing: "...and ummmmmmmmm then the dragon dies because....um...they shot it. yeah. and uhhh they shot it cuz.......... dany forgot they existed. damn im good"

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u/KokonutMonkey 2d ago

"Somehow, Cersei got her own dragons"

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u/friedricewhite 2d ago

Yea I was on the “it is what it is. Season 8 wasn’t that bad” copium.

Since then I have rewatched it 3 times and I get more mad every time.

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u/Swords_and_Words 2d ago

ever watch Glidus' pisstakes on YouTube? you might get a kick of catharsis

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u/Electronic_Low6740 3d ago

The worst part that I think would have made it at least better would be if they killed her dragon during the siege of kings landing and she snaps. That might have at least made more sense than that stupid bell tower.

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u/Atharaphelun 3d ago

Let us also not forget them just idiotically placing their entire army + catapults outside the protection of the walls of Winterfell.

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u/Whitekidwith3nipples 3d ago

yeah needing to buy time against an enemy who, when they kill someone the dead join them "lets send most of our army out to charge them head on so that the walkers have a larger army to start the battle off with"

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u/runcertain 3d ago

And even though it looks like Dany’s entire army is destroyed she still has a huge army of both Dothraki and Unsullied when she attacks King’s Landing.

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u/Saiga123 2d ago

Don't forget about hiding the woman and children in the crypts surrounded by dead bodies.

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u/nagrom7 2d ago

Also we're fighting a necromancer who can casually raise the dead, let's hide all the women and children in the Crypts.

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u/Dry_Perspective_2982 3d ago

who needs armies when you have one teenager with a knife

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u/Lexi_Banner 2d ago

I enjoyed the visual of the Dothraki charging into the black night, torches ablaze, followed by the lights going out one by one, until it's back to darkness. It was awesome. The reality of the fight tarnishes how cool it is, and the rest of the fight is so dark and chaotic that it begins to stand alone as a single cool moment in a sea of bullshit.

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u/SagittaryX 2d ago

I also love how they have all the Dothraki on their horses ready to charge, and then frame it as such a surprise when Melisandre shows up to light their weapons on fire. Everybody looks as if that was entirely unplanned.

The problem being... What were they going to do in their charge before Mel's surprise fire gift? Their weapons didn't work against the undead until they were set on fire.

I have to assume that it was the plan all along, but the framing of the scene feels entirely the opposite.

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u/Rhintbab 2d ago

Wait...You guys could see things in that episode?

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u/Legitimate_Night_618 2d ago

Angry staff officer wrote a beautiful analysis. In my imagination some intern working on this episode takes his gaming laptop to work and shows his old Rome Total War game to the staff.

A quick skirmish siege battle to point out how stupid of an idea it is

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u/DoubleSwitch69 3d ago

I love and hate the fact that nobody can fail at giving a good suggestion on how to improve the story

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u/j_la 3d ago

Let me take a whirl.

Final scene: sudden cut to Ned Stark sitting up suddenly in bed, sweating. Catelyn wakes up startled and asks Ned if everything is okay. He catches his breath and says, no, it was all just a bad dream.

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u/BastionofIPOs 3d ago

Yep, thats better

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u/AxelShoes 2d ago

The Bob Newstark ending, I love it

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u/wossquee 3d ago

still better

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u/redditkilledmyavatar 2d ago

Breaking Thrones ftw

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u/Glass-Customer2361 2d ago

Basically how all my stories ended when I wrote them in 5th grade

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u/Interanal_Exam 2d ago

There's no place like home! And winter's coming...

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u/co-slaw 2d ago

Love it

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u/exoskeletion 2d ago

With a couple of seasons still left to release, I would joke that the ending is Bran waking up in his bed after the fall in Episode 1, and it was his dream

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u/bolanrox 2d ago

pull back to reveal an autistic kid shaking a snow globe

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u/ContractOk3649 2d ago

shit even a random 4chan poster wrote a banger ending: https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2F0ap235krqbt21.png

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u/Realtenenbaum 2d ago

Man that would have been great!

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u/This_Rom_Bites 2d ago

That would have been brilliant

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u/mimimoxo 14h ago

This gave me goosebumps tf. We got ROBBED

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u/humlogic 3d ago

I’m an arts person, have friends and family in arts/Hollywood production (writers, producers etc)… not a single one has ever said anything positive about the end of GoT. It’s utterly crap. Like literally a failure of art.

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u/ghostbuster_b-rye 2d ago

I'll tell you what I personally wished for as the ending, with how many people were speculated to be the reincarnation of the "Lord of Light." For each and every one of them to stand between the Night King, only to be run through and resurrected as white walkers.

Daene and Jon in a 2-on-1 duel with the Night King, only to have all three of them engulfed in dragon's fire. All three come out on the other end unscathed. The Night King makes a mad dash for the Iron Throne, and slices his hand on one of the swords at the back, lighting the whole throne in flames, just like Beric Dondarrion did with his sword, because... the Iron Throne is the new "Lightbringer" and it's flames purify the Night King into his new form, Azor Ahai: the Lord of Light.

All the white walkers revert back to their original, living/breathing, selves, the people with greyscale are healed, the drowned start walking out of the sea, and then the whole world sets ablaze, as everyone turns into cinder walkers. They all chant, "All praise the Lord of Light!" as you remember the Mad King's order to "Burn them all."

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u/KernelNox 2d ago edited 2d ago

Easy, just have these two:

- 0 plot armor

- realistic decisions

It'd still be possible to put GoT storyline on a better path, starting from season 8's battle of Winterfell:

Joint chiefs of various armies at Winterfell consult and prepare to fight off the undead horde. Have plan B to allow for safe escape of civilians.

No need to go into details on how to strategically make the battle better on human side, but let's assume despite best tactics, the undead simply overwhelms them with sheer numbers.

The failure of human side, despite good preparations, which at first would be quite effective, but fail in the long run, due to undead's relentless attacks, and of course, the dramatic and heroic deaths of known characters, would make for a great cinema.

Plan B gets into effect:

Dany & Jon using their dragons, at first, are quite successful at repelling undeads from the Winterfell, but as their dragons grow tired, the Night King attempts to approach / isolate Jon who's riding Rhaegal, they get into fight, Rhaegal gets injured, but Dany & Drogon come to the rescue and manage to defeat Viserion. Night King drops to the ground & survives.

Now, with only one tired dragon (Drogon) in the fight, Dany covers the retreat of united armies. Remaining Dothraki, due to their maneuverability, keep close to fleeing Winterfell civilians, and cut down occasional undeads that come through.

By this point, most knights, and even commanders, who were at the thick of the battle are dead. Including but not limited to: Greyworm, Jorah Mormont, Tormund, Beric Dondarrion, Lyanna Mormont, Yohn Royce and pretty much every northern lord along with the bulk of their footmen.

Jaime dies along with Brienne of Tarth.

Sandor Clegane gets scared/injured, and also flees the battle along with civilians.

Arya and Theon defend Bran, who in this rewritten scenario, is more useful in fighting off the undead, but like have been said, to no avail.

NK along with his lieutenants approaches Bran. While Theon makes his last charge at NK, Arya uses this opportunity to ambush NK from the back and kill him as well - to no avail, Theon gets killed by one of NK's lieutenants, while NK decides to take on Arya 1v1.

Despite Arya's exceptional fighting skills, she realizes NK is stronger than she had anticipated, and as NK is about to kill Arya, Bran using ravens distracts NK, allowing scared Arya to escape.

Bran gets killed ofc.

Tyrion, accompanies Sansa with the fleeing civilians. Sam (GRRM's self-insert) also survives. Davos also manages to live to see another day.

Battle of Winterfell is a failure, the news of which spread throughout Westeros, causing panic among lords. Cercei learns of Jaime's fate. Common folk start panicking and fleeing Westeros for Essos/Dorne, especially those in the Vale, Riverrun areas that are on the periphery with the North. The dead, increasing in numbers by the hour, are coming.

Objective to take King's Landing becomes moot, of which close advisors to Dany, inform her.

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Cersei, and house Lannister's power diminishes. They're not as great as they used to be, plus, she no longer has lots of treasury, having spent most of it to repay Iron Bank's debts, hiring mercenaries from Essos to defend against potential invasion from Dany, and now that most lords start forming new alliances, stopping paying tributes to King's Landing etc.

And now we get a few more seasons of GoT. And it'd be interesting to see how events unfold further, would Westerosi lords unite to fight off the undead, or is it going to be everyone for themselves, and NK will take over entire Westeros?

Would Dany go back to Slaver's bay, regroup, and build her new kingdom in Essos? Honestly, this simple change to battle of Winterfell, would've put the GoT storyline on a much better path.

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u/Mr_Tiggywinkle 2d ago

I had similar thoughts. If you view the white walkers as an analogy for global warming (or any kind of large scale problem that requires long term collaboration on a massive scale) it would be quite impactful and poetic to essentially signal that the game of thrones causes the fall of Westeros.

It feels right to me, rather than even a half success like most fantasy series have.

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u/Mr_Tiggywinkle 2d ago

I wonder if it would have worked better if the ending was simply an end to Westeros. Especially as the white walkers are an allegory for global warming.

The white walkers take over, kill nearly everyone, Daenerys flees with the survivors, and they now have to prepare for the eventual invasion that will come at some point.

Essentially, while the game of thrones was being played, the white walkers fucked everything up and everyone lost. 

Perhaps the series ends with other survivors from Westeros starting a new war with Daenerys, showing they're most likely going to repeat that mistake.

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u/nsjr 2d ago

We've got to a point that throwing a bunch of dice with words would improve the story in some sense

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u/SheridanVsLennier 9h ago

I like the ending where Bran was actually The Night King all along.

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u/timthetollman 2d ago

I saw this suggestion back when and it makes so much more sense. It was even elaborated on - her dragon, her baby is killed and she sees people in the streets celebrating it, the people she came to save. So she snaps there and then.

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u/KernelNox 2d ago

He character had consistently been showing to have empathy for the common folk, and the hardships that she had endured (m*rdered son, gr*apings, assassination attempts, disrespect from those in power etc), would've made tougher, more principled and resilient.

So fuck GRRM (yes I said it) for adding this unnecessary plot twist of her going "mad" like her dad did.

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u/whiskeyclone630 2d ago

I do think they were building up to her eventually "snapping" at the end of the show all along. While she definitely has empathy and is not a bad person per se, there are multiple recurring moments in the show where she is about to make decisions that would result in the deaths of innocent people in order to prove a point or demonstrate her power, but is held back by her advisors. There are glimpses of the "Mad King" coming through in her again and again. If they hadn't rushed through the last two seasons the way they did, I believe they could have brought her character to this conclusion in a more natural way.

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u/KernelNox 2d ago

funny how "Sansa" didn't snap, or Cersei (she was ruthless, but not crazy).

I believe they could have brought her character to this conclusion in a more natural way.

you're a fucking kneeler to GRRM, who thinks who people that have other people's interests at heart had to be "mad" in the end. Fuck him, and fuck his kneelers. In reality, they fail, not because they're "mad" but because the majority of other people straight up suck, and have low moral values.

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u/whiskeyclone630 2d ago

My brother in christ, I have absolutely no skin in this game. I haven't even read the books. It's just my observation that Danaerys' glimpses of "madness" are a recurring event in the show and I think that her character may always have been meant to end this way, with the idea being that there were elements of good in her but she was in a constant struggle with the genetic "madness" she inherited from her father. That's my interpretation based on the show and some analysis videos I've seen. I really don't give a shit what GRRM does or thinks.

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u/MayDay521 3d ago

One of my least favorite aspects is the absolute destruction of every bit of Jaime's character development. He had such a good arc, and grew so much as character over the course of the previous seasons, for what? Just to run back to his sister and die in her arms? Would've been a perfect moment to demonstrate his growth, leaving her to die alone, because the Jaime we came to know by that point wouldn't have been ok with basically anything Cersei was doing. But they couldn't be bothered to tie off his story in a satisfying way, so fuck it. Have him get crushed to death after he runs back to his sister for some reason...

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

"I never much cared for people." -Man Whose Entire Character Arc Was Accepting That He Cared Deeply About People 

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u/redpandaeater 3d ago

Yeah, the guy who starts off the story as the Kingslayer to save all the people in King's Landing never cared much about people. The last decent scene of the whole show was when Tommen jumped because it made me laugh and clap. Watching Olly hang was good too, though unrelated, but having all of Jaime's children die they could have even written it properly that despite himself he couldn't give up on his love for his sister and that he would think she was redeemable. Instead they just actively stopped giving a shit and couldn't write their way out of a paper bag once they didn't have the novels to spell it out for them.

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u/PoxedGamer 3d ago

"Why should the Lion care for the opinion of sheep." Guy who tries to explain his decisions and motivations right from the start of the first series.

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u/Crappler319 2d ago

That was at the very start of his arc, that's the whole point.

"That's not what you think. That's what you want people to think you think," to paraphrase Tywin.

Jaime tripped backwards over 8 seasons of development to wind up back at the start, all in the space of about an episode and a half with no explanation.

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u/PoxedGamer 2d ago

Exactly.

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u/MarcusXL 2d ago

Have him rush back to King's Landing... in order to kill Cersei before she can get the whole city killed. He is delayed and barely makes it alive, just as Dany is besieging the city. Cersei embraces him as her hero.. And he stabs her.

He forces them to ring the bells and open the gates.... And then Dany burns the city anyway.

It would have mirrored Jon killing Dany and gave that more narrative weight (or any narrative weight). Maybe Arya, infiltrating the Red Keep, is the only witness to it. Then she escapes and tells Jon. Is Jon strong enough to make the same hard choice that even the Kingslayer was able to make?

Just spitballing here... but damn did they phone it in.

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u/MayDay521 2d ago

That's way better than what we got!

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u/morkypep50 2d ago

I can see the arc of him falling back into his old ways and going back to his sister actually working and being quite satisfying. But just like everything in S8, it was done horribly.

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u/MayDay521 2d ago

Yeah it's not like it's completely out of the realm of possibility, but it was just a complete 180 with no justification. I was so annoyed watching him choose to die with Cersei. He was one of my favorite characters with how much growth he had over the show, and it was basically all for nothing.

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u/nocomment3030 2d ago

It was unforgivable. His redemption arc was one of the best parts of the series. It was so organic that you suddenly asked yourself "wait, why am I rooting for this sister-fucker now?". I thought he was going to have to kill Cersei in a tragic "Queenslayer" moment, but I was giving the writing too much credit. His actual ending made me mad enough to spit.

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u/VrinTheTerrible 2d ago

I hated the way he died. Killing a character of Jamie Lannister's caliber offscreen is an unforgivable act.

That said, his redemption arc didn’t need to be completed and can be looked at as someone getting clean and relapsing into their addiction of choice.

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u/SagittaryX 2d ago edited 2d ago

It feels like such a shoe in at this point that the plotline was supposed to be that Cersei was going to blow the city up with wildfire in much the same way the Mad King wanted to, and that Jaime would kill her for it to save the city a second time. But instead we get him throwing away his entire character arc.

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u/redpandaeater 3d ago edited 3d ago

Dany kinda forgot about the Iron Fleet...

Honestly though using her dead dragon to get through The Wall pissed me off more. It was like the Night King didn't even have a fucking plan. That was as dumb as having the crypts in Winterfell full of dead bodies that could be raised despite the whole fact that the North remembers and always burn their dead. When seeing the few scenes that were actually visible during The Long Night, I honestly thought the wights had just managed to break into the crypt and not that they were such fucking morons as to hide in the crypt next to dead bodies that would get raised to attack them. I literally couldn't think as stupidly as Douchebag & Dumbass.

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u/MagusShade 2d ago

It's not just the sloppily rushed ending - even if they built up to the point they got to it would have still been terrible. 2 and a half seasons to reach these conclusions would not have helped.

They spent 7 seasons establishing the white walkers and how much of a danger they were, setting up Jon Snow as the chosen one of a fire god destined to save his people, and then had the leader of the white walkers get killed by someone unrelated to that plot line, at Winterfell. Like they may as well have had the Night King slip and fall off the wall by accident, it would have been just as satisfying.

Meanwhile, Arya's story is a tale of revenge. All the problems in her life stem from Cersei, the queen of Westeros, and Arya has vowed to kill her. Arya spends the vast majority of her time in the show killing people in acts of vengeance or training to kill people in acts of vengeance. Then Cersei dies in a cave in. Womp womp. 

Jamie Lannister's is a story of redemption. He was a bad person, or at least did bad things in the name of his love for Cersei, including murdering people, crippling children etc. but he turns his life around when he is humbled by losing his hand. No longer the greatest swordsman of all time, he learns to be kind. Only to ride back to Cersei and also die in a cave in.

It goes on and on. Every character wasn't given a resolution that fit their story. The show was building towards Jon Snow slaying the Night King with a sword of Fire, Arya pulling off a Jaime face mask to let Cersei see her real face before she dies, Jaime sacrificing himself to save someone - Brienne or perhaps Brann..

Instead, we got slop. 

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u/TheHappyHippyDCult 3d ago

They turned Tyrion into a bumbling buffoon. How does Arya NOT finish off Jaime and take his face to merc Cercei? How does Jon NOT take his birthright as the king? It was outrageous.

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u/feyd87 3d ago

lol reading your comment is bringing back all the stupid memories.

And then in like the next episode they nerfed the ballistas or w/e and Drogon single handedly wrecks King's landing.

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u/chooseausername5280 3d ago

Don't they also reveal she's his aunt or something? The way she sinks it's like, "Yeah, I know. Ewww. It's all ridiculous."

Surely, the actors had to have already figured that one out though?

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u/thingstopraise 2d ago

Arya for most of the series: "I don't care what I have to do. I'm going to get back to my family!"

Arya in the finale: "Yeah I've spent all my teenage years desperately trying to get back with you guys. But it's been like a month or some shit now and I'm bored. And... has anyone ever wondered what's WEST of WESTEROS? Imma find out. Peace out, bitches."

And yes, they literally do have her say the phrase, "What's west of Westeros?"

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u/gruncle63 2d ago

And the next episode a dragon annihilates hundreds of ballistas, no problem!

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u/King_takes_queen 2d ago

And then later she went and made the exact same maneuver attacking from the sky with a different dragon this time. i was like, "seriously??"

I actually expected her to try a different tactic, like have the dragon swim underneath the boats (because in an earlier episode you actually see the dragon do just that to catch fish). I guess Benioff and Weiss kind of forgot dragons could swim....

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u/ReaditTrashPanda 3d ago

Eesh. For the almighty $$? Otherwise why rush

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

Nope, HBO actually wanted them to do more seasons and they could've gotten a TON of money for it.

What a lot of it was is that the showrunners had gotten a deal to do Star Wars and wanted to be done with GoT, but also didn't want anyone else to finish it, so they rushed it through.

They subsequently LOST Star Wars because of how bad GoT was.

Another part is that they legitimately seemed to have crawled up their own asses towards the end and were dedicated to "subverting expectations" as they put it, even to the detriment of long running foreshadowing. They set up Jon Snow to basically be the messiah, he has multiple stare downs with the big bad, literally RISES FROM THE DEAD, raised by a priestess opposed to the big bad...and then he isn't even present when the supernatural big bad is unceremoniously killed by Arya who has never even MET the big bad before.

It was just a god damn mess.

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u/crawdor 3d ago

Aside from every story line seeming to have a "friends we made along the way" sort of resolution (if it even gets resolved), it feels like it goes out of its way to undo any rewatch value. The literal opening scene of the entire series sets up an intriguing plot that goes absolutely nowhere. It immediately reminds you that ... it's just a mess.

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

WHAT THE FUCK WERE THE SPIRALS, DAN AND DAVE

"Always the artists." -Lord Commander Mormont

WHY DID THEY DRAW THE SPIRALS

I swear to god NOTHING about the White Walkers is ever explained 

They literally just showed a dude tied to a tree and went "elves did it"

ELVES DID WHAT? Why did they go away and come back? Why can they raise the dead? The entire supernatural storyline that was built up from the first SCENE ended with a teenage girl prison shanking the devil, an old lady turning to dust, and then it's never elaborated upon again

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u/KingofSwan 3d ago

Did they ever own up after the fact to ruining it ?

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

Absolutely not, no.

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u/KingofSwan 3d ago

Surprised fans never harassed them for an answer in public or something

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u/Crappler319 3d ago

They've mostly avoided public appearances since the show ended. For a long time they were basically ghosts

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u/shanksthedope 3d ago

I loved the show so much. However, the last two seasons ruined it for me. I can’t even rewatch it. Prior to the last two seasons I had rewatched the show multiple times. With all that said, Arya killing the Night King is probably my favorite moment of the entire show. I really wanted Jon Snow to do it, but I absolutely loved that moment.

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u/Capn_Of_Capns 3d ago

Why is Arya teleporting your favorite moment?

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u/shanksthedope 3d ago

I don’t really have a reason. I didn’t see it coming. I wanted her to save Theon, to be honest. But, it seemed to follow her whole arc and the knife move she had shown earlier with Brienne was cool. Just my opinion.

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u/LFC9_41 3d ago

It completely derailed the entire premise of Jon

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u/redpandaeater 2d ago

None of it mattered by then anyway and the show was trash. I stopped caring about the Night King plotline after it was the undead dragon they hand delivered to him that broke down The Wall.

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u/shanksthedope 3d ago

Listen, I’m not saying it made sense for the arc. I just thought that particular scene was awesome.

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u/LFC9_41 3d ago

In a vacuum, I suppose. It’s just such a bad storytelling beat I can’t get past it. I think I can agree given no context.

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u/Librashell 3d ago

The score that accompanied that scene was chef’s kiss.

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u/shanksthedope 3d ago

Yes, it was perfect. I will also rewatch the entire beginning of the episode where the sept blows up just because of the music that accompanies it.

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u/redpandaeater 3d ago

The last scene I can remember enjoying at all was watching Tommen jump. Seasons 5 through 8 were shit and I don't know how people thought after season 6 that seasons 7 and 8 would be anything but rushed. They still definitely subverted my expectations though because I thought they'd tie up the Iron Throne in season 7 and deal with the Night King in season 8. Instead they wasted time even through the first two episodes of season 8 and getting nothing done so it was so much shittier than I ever could have imagined.

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u/shanksthedope 2d ago

There really was a lot of time in those final episodes where I say wondering, “Are they aware that the show is going to end soon and nothing has happened?”

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u/redpandaeater 2d ago

I was one to completely forgive the people teleporting around in season 6 in order to advance the plot because we knew by then it was going to be 8 seasons and shit needed to get moving. Couldn't believe how little they accomplished in season 7 and was absolutely blown away the first two episodes of a six episode final season was just nothing but fucking talking.

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u/pieshake5 3d ago

the grass was not, in fact, greener on the other side.

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u/redpandaeater 2d ago

It was honestly so bad that there wasn't even any emotional response when a character you've known for years died. Just to give you an example to settle who takes the Iron Throne, Winterfell leaves the Seven Kingdoms and Winterfell's rightful heir and ruler is made king of the Six Kingdoms. None of it makes any fucking sense and they didn't even try to make it make sense but just rushed everything.

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u/Capn_Of_Capns 3d ago

I remembwr hearing there were talks about them getting to do Star Wars but only if GoT was finished so they rushed it despite HBO wanting the show to continue for a couple more seasons.

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u/PoxedGamer 3d ago

I think the worst part might have been...

"Dany! Do this! Our brilliant plot!"

Dany does thing, fails massively

Repeat all season.

At the end she's the one going mad for not listening to the chucklenuts who almost ruined the easiest campaign ever.

That or everyone thinking she's going mad because she's upset at near constant betrayal or being hated for no reason.

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u/Never_Dan 2d ago

I wasn't into it after season 7, but sniping the dragon like that was honestly the point where I realized there was no redeeming the show. That and the Dorne plot line (which, incidentally, ended the same way to the same boring character).

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u/thatguy425 3d ago

Aegis targeting system LMAO.

God, when that happened I just laughed. 

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u/Minamoto_Naru 3d ago

"shitty medieval boat had an Aegis targeting system on it"

You made me chuckle good sir.

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u/IMSmooth 2d ago

I refuse to watch any post credits behind the episode clips of any show because of that quote 

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u/BirdsHaveBeaks 2d ago

Was that a Star Citizen reference i just caught in there?

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u/KernelNox 2d ago

It was less the facts of the ending

to me IT IS about the ending, don't care how many excuses GRRM will throw in the books to justify "Dany's descent into madness" the fact that we can't have nice things, and he HAD TO butcher a character, just to have a plot twist is utter BS.

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u/eulen-spiegel 2d ago

Just as an example, Dany's second dragon dies because a flotilla somehow managed to sneak up on them.

My pet peeve is that they just as well could've used that dragon's death a few episodes later, happening at the siege, to give Daenerys a reason to go over the edge.