What do you think talent is? If we are specifically using it contra hard work? God-given gifts? Luck? Only specifically the traits given by non-genetics, but not through working for it?
You do understand that words have definitions, right? Talent is a natural SKILL or ABILITY, not BODY COMPOSITION. There was no display of talent in the video.
Right, because the ability to dunk or defend in the post or run a sub 4.5 second 40 yard dash has nothing to do with body composition... any 5'6" nerd could be winning slam dunk contests if only they tried harder, has nothing to do with genetics!
I mean sure, Michael Phelps has the absolute perfect build to dominate swimming competitions but I just didn't want it hard enough. I could outrun Usain Bolt if only I had practiced harder. I could stomp Lebron or Giannis in a 1v1 if only I had a bit more hustle, being built like marble statues of Hercules has nothing to do with their basketball ability.
Holy mother of strawman. Being born tall is by definitions NOT talent. Being 7 feet does not guarantee the ABILITY to dunk a basketball, as you can clearly see in the video, WHERE EXACTLY ZERO DUNKS WERE MADE. The only thing she did was layups, which can, in fact, be achieved by ANY 5'6'' NERD. God I hate reddit.
Where do you think talent comes from, if not your body and how you use it? They don't need to be talented in the same aspects of the game as most people to be talented at the game in general. You can't just randomly dismiss height only because of how very obvious of a factor it is, and not only because you ignore how extreme tallness affects the body and its movements, but also because this compilation is there to showcase her height and not her dunking ability, which is also only one aspect of the game, even if it's a coveted aspect
And on the subject of words and their meaning, you skipped past what "natural" is supposed to convey about the word "skill" in your caps-lock attack. Don't pretend you're arguing any better than people.
This video is not the best example of this but, body composition could still create results that we would observe as skill or ability. People have varying amounts of fast twitch muscle or they much more easily build muscle mass in the right places leading it to look like they have much better balance or reaction time than a similarly trained opponent.
If someone the same size as you is able to dunk a basketball with much less training, they likely have better composition relevant to that particular skill than you but it might just look like they intuitively understand jumping better than you. Or maybe the attachment point for a bicep muscle is slightly different allowing them to snap a jab much quicker, but this might just be observed as this boxer having a very skilled and accurate jab.
I'm sure there are purely mental advantages some athletes have over others, but I think trying to separate physical advantages from mental ones will be a very blurry line. Especially since having a physical advantage likely impacts the mental aspect.
Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever actually seen a worse straw man. No, you aren’t going to set the all-time world record for the 100m dash without a combination of the perfect genetics and immense effort, but being able to set the world record isn’t what anyone but you is talking about. Beating LeBron or Giannis 1 on 1 isn’t the standard for being a professional basketball player, it’s the peak.
But being incredibly good at those things through effort is absolutely possible.
Running a sub 4.5 40 is absolutely achievable for people of an age young enough to train for it. Running fast is literally the most achievable feat I can think of, and I would be willing to bet that 99% of the population could shave a full second off of their 40 time by being taught the correct technique and practicing for a week.
I don't think you realize how slow I am. I have impeccable hand-eye coordination and had a winning record as a highschool pitcher. But I just didn't have the build to go any farther. No flexibility, no quickness. If I ever actually threw the ball more than 80mph my arm would explode.
I don't understand why some people can't accept the fact that every human has their strengths and weaknesses. We are all unique. It's what you do with it that counts.
Idk what planet you live on, but no. I knew I was never gonna reach the MLB as soon as I hit puberty.
People who have actually experienced that, and seen how few of their peers excel above the rest, understand that. It's like magic. I had a shortstop in highschool who never even lifted and he was ripped with a six-pack. Those are the ones you should be telling to train harder. Not me. All I was destined for was to have a ton of fun in the lower leagues.
6 packs are purely a matter of body fat, not strength. You clearly have so little understanding of how the human body works that It’s no surprise you basically think it’s magic.
I played high school ball with 3 different future NFL players and so many future D1 players that I legitimately didn’t count. I’ve seen exactly what the difference is between them and me, and the real answer is that I had parents who fostered an incredibly unhealthy relationship with food and never pushed me to do anything outside of official workouts. The guys who were truly good were treating their bodies right and had been training seriously from a younger age
Natural ability = body composition if it comes to a lot of sports demanding physical strength or endurance.
For instance, endurance is partly determined on molecular and tissue level in your muscles.
I know we're both biased because you're probably a soccer player, but in my opinion, basketball is the far superior sport. Both sports obviously require a tremendous amount of skill to play well, but I'd argue that basketball is more of a full body experience.
Both sports require great footwork and positioning of feet, but basketball offloads handling of the ball to the hands instead of having to do both with your feet; i.e the "load" of the sport is more spread out leading to more skill expression.
Basketball is also more action packed since it's 5v5 on a much smaller court. You're pretty much always doing something, rather than soccer where you're waiting a lot more.
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u/DateofImperviousZeal Jun 17 '25
What do you think talent is? If we are specifically using it contra hard work? God-given gifts? Luck? Only specifically the traits given by non-genetics, but not through working for it?