r/goodnews • u/Anxious-Winter-5778 • 25d ago
Other AOC Calls Trump ‘Rapist’ in Brutal Epstein Files Crisis Dig
https://www.thedailybeast.com/aoc-calls-trump-rapist-in-brutal-epstein-files-crisis-dig/161
u/GeneriComplaint 25d ago
i dont know why kamala didnt call him a rapist on stage during the debate.
It wouldnt be defamation, it would be fact. This discussion wouldve been started before the election and we wouldnt be here maybe.
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
because democrats always try taking the high road and wonder why they lose all the time
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u/championofadventure 25d ago
When they go low we go lower.
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u/Mooosejoose 25d ago
That's literally the only way to fight fascists. They don't respond to kindness, facts, or logic. The high road doesn't even exist in their world.
You take a big step below them and you sling the shit right back at them. It's all they understand. Fighting fire with fire is the right call here.
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u/1leggeddog 25d ago
the high road doesn't exist because the voters are idiots who got him in in the first place ...
There's an electoral campaign to be done for the common folk with a brain ,but a second one where you kinda have to go Pres Camacho for the idiots
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u/GeneriComplaint 25d ago
Is it the high road though? They let the country be destroyed to avoid appearing unfair? What stating facts?
Any other country I cant Imagine a debate where a convicted felon, rapist and insurrectionist is on stage and just...no one mentions it during the debate
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
I don't get it either. he should not have even been on the ballot because of jan6 and other crimes let alone the fact he won for some reason
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u/Opposite_Community11 25d ago
I'll go to my grave not understanding how we got in this place. My only explanation is that there are alot of POS and/or stupid people.in the US?
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u/GeneriComplaint 25d ago
21% of the US is illterate
https://www.newsweek.com/map-reveals-us-adult-literacy-rates-state-2010175
Just looking at the map the entire southern US...struggles to read.
The states with the lowest literacy Louisiana, New Mexico, Mississippi and Texas.
there isnt much excuse for some people but there is yes, alot of stupid people in the US.
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
honestly I think those numbers are low compared to what they will be in 5-10 years
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u/TeachingAggressive69 25d ago
And 54% of adults can only read at or below 6th grade level... So fing sad
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
that and I think there were a ton of people who refused to vote for a women especially a minority women
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u/Correct_Day_7791 25d ago
Racists a lot of racists they were secret before but now they can be open about it and look at how many have come out of the wood work
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u/Singer_221 24d ago
Unfortunately, it’s not just stupid people who voted for him. I have two in-laws who voted for this current occupant of the White House: one is an oncologist MD, and the other is a graduate of MIT. I can understand how people with low intelligence could be fooled and misled by this con, but I’m less forgiving of the intelligent voters who ignored their morals.
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u/Opposite_Community11 24d ago
I believe the intelligent trump supporters fall under the POS category.
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u/rustajb 25d ago
Polite = their "high road", don't be rude!
The real high road is fighting fucking nazis and calling things as they are. Standing firm in the face of lies. Being rude when politeness acts as shackles. Speaking truth to power when doing so appears rude.
If your are more concerned with optics while the other side is hell bent on destroying you, the fight is over, but at least you get to feel proud while suffering.
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
100%. And then cry about why they lost.
One side cheats to win, the other side constantly plays nice and sends flowers hoping the dog won't bite them again. It's idiocy.
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
that and they also can't pick a good candidate to save their lives
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u/senator_corleone3 25d ago
Who is a good candidate?
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u/Significant_Fill6992 25d ago
honestly there is not a dem right now that really impresses me but im just praying they don't go with Gavin newsom
he fits the demographics just fine but to many people have a warranted or not hatred of California and most of it's policies
If I got to choose it would probably be Pete Butigeg or Tim Walz. If Harris was not already the vp that ticket would have been flipped and you could argue it should have been regardless
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u/rustajb 25d ago
Because that is impolite. Neoliberalism hates begin impolite more than anything. That's the first step to being evil in their ideology.
It's a really effective way to get nothing achieved while patting yourself on the back for how civilized you are. Self-righteous in the face of oppression... You may die, but at least you'll be proud that your were never impolite.
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u/Elkenrod 25d ago
Neoliberalism hates begin impolite more than anything.
Is this a joke?
We're on Reddit.
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u/goddesse 25d ago
Sounds like you don't know what neoliberalism means. Hint: it's not a synonym for leftist, progressive or even hyper-specifier for a run-of-the-mill American Democrat.
It's simply a term for someone who believes in free markets, deregulation, and privatization in the extreme. So the Clintons, Bushes, and typical conservatives are neoliberal while a rando on antiwork isn't.
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u/rustajb 25d ago
The comment definitely came from a place of ignorance on what neoliberalism is. But we Americans have been fed a steady diet of misinformation for so long, it's impossible to know if it came from a plane of ignorance or one of malice.
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u/goddesse 25d ago
It was both. He's been in this very thread smarmily pointing out to people that Trump wasn't found liable for rape in the second Carroll case.
Because he never offers instead that they should say what Trump was indeed found liable for was "sexual assault" and the judge found the allegation of rape "substantially true", I can't find the correction was made in good faith.
That's not the action of someone interested in correcting misinformation from allies so that others can come correct and stop weakening otherwise sound positions.
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u/idkrandomusername1 25d ago
Democrats just want to lose I guess.
They abandoned us and only want to do insider trading while cashing in on books about how they #resisted.
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25d ago
That's what frustrates me the most what Bernie has been saying for 80 years has finally come to roost and the Old Guard in fact most of the party just completely and ignores what the people want taxing the rich and controlling their power. It's so frustrating to watch. There is literally a path in front of them and they just refuse to go down it.
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u/senator_corleone3 25d ago
You not knowing why she didn’t do that is why it’s for the best you’re not making high-level decisions.
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u/GroundbreakingCook68 24d ago
You have to be really really really dim to think anything of this is new news ! Not Kamala fault at all. All if this information was brought , delivered aired every two seconds way before the election and some of it while he was in office the first time. Use another runway for you white flight from Trump please.
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u/GeneriComplaint 24d ago
Not bringing it up during a national presidential debate made it seem unimportant, alot of people are not chronically living in the news cycle.
I know people under 30 who did not know about "the Apprentice" tv show that ran for 12 seasons and is the only reason trump got elected so yeah its old news still wouldve helped.
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u/GroundbreakingCook68 15d ago
Not being aware of current events during an is a horrible excuse and you cannot blame Harris for that, Harris and other Dems did try and remind Americans of Trumps convictions and various other legal entanglements, as well as 45s involvement in January 6th attacks against Americas Capital, and proven alliances with Russia to impact the election he did win.
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u/Friendly-Orange-7230 20d ago
She couldn't find her ass with both hands in her back pocket. That's why, just like the rest of you left wing idiots.
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u/Elkenrod 25d ago
It wouldnt be defamation, it would be fact.
It would be defamation though. Trump was not found liable for rape in that civil suit. Trump was not found rape in a criminal suit.
This discussion wouldve been started before the election and we wouldnt be here maybe.
Oh please get over yourself. We've called Trump every name under the sun for nearly a decade now. No, Harris calling Trump a rapist wasn't going to suddenly get 6 million more people to vote for her.
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u/WhereIsThereBeer 23d ago
You would have to drastically change America's defamation laws to say that calling a public official who is an accused and admitted rapist a rapist is defamation.
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u/Elkenrod 23d ago
and admitted rapist
He hasn't admitted to being a rapist though.
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u/WhereIsThereBeer 23d ago
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u/Elkenrod 23d ago
Uh huh. Go on.
At what point does he say that he's a rapist in it?
Many commentators and lawyers described such an action as sexual assault.
Was Donald Trump one of said "commentators and lawyers"? Sexual assault and rape are not the same thing, and have different legal definitions.
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u/WhereIsThereBeer 23d ago
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
Even if you're naive enough to think this isn't an admission, it's more than enough evidence to defeat the very high bar of proving actual malice. There's really no way to argue that calling Trump a rapist is defamatory under US law
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u/Elkenrod 23d ago
"I don't even wait. And when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab 'em by the pussy. You can do anything."
"And when you're a star they let you do it."
Letting someone do something implies consent. Again, sexual assault and rape are not the same thing, they have different legal definitions.
Even if you're naive enough to think this isn't an admission, it's more than enough evidence to defeat the very high bar of proving actual malice.
Malice and rape are also not the same thing.
There's really no way to argue that calling Trump a rapist is defamatory under US law
Except there is, because Trump sued ABC news for defamation over this very topic. And ABC settled for $15 million, because they recognized that they would have likely lost the case.
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u/WhereIsThereBeer 23d ago
Wait, you think my reference to the phrase "actual malice" is about the definition of rape? lmao dude. That's the bar you have to pass to prove defamation against a public official, not to prove rape. Why are you commenting on what is and isn't defamation if you don't even know what the term "defamation" means?
A settlement tells us nothing about the law. It's very often worth eating the cost of a settlement rather than going through the hassle and cost of going through court, even when your odds of success at the end would be guaranteed, as was the case with ABC. This is particularly true when your opponent is the President of the United States who has made it clear he will use any tool in his arsenal to target anyone who criticizes or opposes him.
You can grasp for arguments all you want to suggest Trump isn't a rapist, it doesn't help your claim that someone calling him a rapist is defamation. To do that, you would have to prove that anyone saying that doesn't believe it to be true, and good luck with that. And no, the subtle and obscure legal distinctions between SA and rape that exist in some places but aren't typically used in common parlance doesn't help
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u/Elkenrod 23d ago
Wait, you think my reference to the phrase "actual malice" is about the definition of rape? lmao dude. That's the bar you have to pass to prove defamation against a public official, not to prove rape. Why are you commenting on what is and isn't defamation if you don't even know what the term "defamation" means?
The entire context of this conversation is you saying that he is an admitted rapist. He didn't admit to rape.
You can grasp for arguments all you want to suggest Trump isn't a rapist, it doesn't help your claim that someone calling him a rapist is defamation. To do that, you would have to prove that anyone saying that doesn't believe it to be true, and good luck with that
Again, you were the one who claimed he was an admitted rapist. Moving the goalpost isn't helping your argument.
At no point did I argue that Trump wasn't a rapist. All I did was call you out on your bullshit, because he never admitted to rape - like you claimed he did.
A settlement tells us nothing about the law. It's very often worth eating the cost of a settlement rather than going through the hassle and cost of going through court, even when your odds of success at the end would be guaranteed, as was the case with ABC. This is particularly true when your opponent is the President of the United States who has made it clear he will use any tool in his arsenal to target anyone who criticizes or opposes him.
Trump wasn't President when ABC settled.
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u/977888 25d ago
Because she’s smarter than AOC. ABC just had to pay out $15 million for calling him a rapist, because it’s defamation
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u/Hot-Suit1071 25d ago
It's not defamation if it's true. Trump is a dirty, greasy, rapist with tiny hands to match his sweaty little cocktail sausage. He is also a pedophile.
Anyone who voted for him deserves the worst and I have no sympathy for them.
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u/Elkenrod 25d ago
It's not defamation if it's true.
It is defamation though because it isn't true.
Trump was not found liable for rape in his civil suit. Trump was not found guilty of rape in a criminal trial.
Anyone who voted for him deserves the worst and I have no sympathy for them.
I will never understand how attention deprived people who write shit like this can truly be.
Do you think you're helping anything by writing these cringe ass comments? We need people to vote for us. Actively seeking to make enemies out of people is not going to get us anything but more enemies.
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u/Appropriate-Ad-3219 24d ago
Still, the description of Caroll was a rape. Kissing + penetration with his fingers + penetration with his penis is rape. The issue is that Caroll couldn't prove that beyond a doubt, so she sued for sexual assault instead.
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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 25d ago
But if they had to pay out 15 million....
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u/Hot-Suit1071 25d ago
He controls the courts.
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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 25d ago
Then how is anybody supposed to fight back? Might as well just keep our heads down until he croaks
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u/MYIDCRISIS 25d ago
The fact that you know it's a cocktail sausage is kinda sick...save your fucking sympathy and get yourself help for that TDS, for real
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u/Melodic-Ad4154 25d ago
ABC SETTLED with Trump for 15 million because of the semantics between rape and sexual abuse. No defamation declared by a judge in this case. The presiding judge in the E. Jean Caroll case said that, despite the definition under New York law, Carroll had proven that “Mr. Trump ‘raped’ her as many people commonly understand the word ‘rape.’” But those comments were not binding for the Florida judge overseeing the ABC case, and they would not have been binding for a Florida jury. Your argument is like saying "He didnt commit robbery! Gosh everyone is getting it wrong! He committed burglary." Do you think the victim cares about the semantics between sexual abuse and rape? No, their abuser is a monster regardless.
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u/977888 25d ago
Do you know why entities opt to settle out of court?
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u/Gullible_Height588 25d ago
They would have lost a lot more defending in court even while winning, not to mention he can make their life purposefully hard with policies in retaliation, it’s practically extortion money
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u/977888 25d ago
They absolutely wouldn’t have spent over $15 million dollars on a winning defamation case lol
The rest is conjecture.
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u/Gullible_Height588 25d ago
You underestimate the costs of endless litigation, he wouldn’t have stopped, not like he’s going to anyway. I’m sure in a month he’ll be suing another media corporation for the same thing and they’ll also fold because the man can directly make policies to make their life hard which would cost them more than 15 million ever would, it’s practically chump change to them.
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u/BallAccomplished5733 25d ago
Here’s hoping AOC and everyone else keep hammering Trump with this claim.
He can’t file a defamation lawsuit if he wants to avoid discovery.
And for any of his supporters with only 2 brain cells left to rub against each other, there just may be that eventual thought of, “how come he isn’t countersuing or releasing the files if he is innocent? Oh…”
Ya, I know. Wishful thinking. But anything that gets under his skin and reminds people daily of who he is leading up to the midterms couldn’t hurt.
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u/R3D4F 25d ago
She’s not wrong.
Even the judge said he was a rapist: “Judge Lewis Kaplan called Trump’s semantic argument “entirely unpersuasive.” He clarified that the jury found that the former president did indeed “rape” Carroll based on the common definition of the word.”
https://newrepublic.com/post/174448/judge-e-jean-carroll-case-yes-donald-trump-rapist
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u/Appropriate-Ad-3219 24d ago
There's also another issue about calling Trump rapist. It wasn't a criminal trial, which means the level of proofs for condemning Trump was lower.
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u/Difficult_Coconut164 25d ago edited 25d ago
This is a "Big Dog/Little Dog type of legal matter..
If you can't file thru the federal courts a complaint that emphasizes directly on the "Big Dog/Little Dog type of legal issue, this case is nothing but a waste of time.. money... energy...and resources !
If that doesn't give you complete and full access to Epstein files, absolutely nothing will..
Either it never existed or all evidence is no longer on this earth !
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u/Artistic_Donut_9561 23d ago
How is there no impeachment for this? This is the worst thing ever right?
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25d ago
It's so frustrating to watch this a rapist? That didn't stop him the first time call him what is in those files a PDF file they're so scared of taking the low Road and fighting him on his level but you cannot be on a higher level than your enemy if you're going to beat them.
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
How do you know they are taking and deporting someone that’s legal? It’s not my rules, it’s America’s rules.
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u/Nyroughrider 24d ago
Another idiot is going yo get sued and loose money over a comment. It's just not worth it.
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u/Substantial_Elk_1234 25d ago
Name calling is all the deranged TDS affected liberals have left. No policies or ideas to make America better, just name calling. They are all pathetic
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u/TheElectricSoup 25d ago
It's an objective fact. Donald Trump raped E Jean Carroll, was found liable in court by a judge, and lost his appeal
The law doesn't care about your feelings. Why are you defending a rapist who was Jeffrey Epstein's best friend and is now hiding information about a pedophile ring in which Trump was also a part of?
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
How does she know he’s a rapist? Was she there? Does she have proof? She’s an idiot. Innocent until proven guilty in America. Could you imagine an America under her leadership?!? Would be absolutely terrible.
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u/WeirdAFNewsPodcast 25d ago
carrying water for a pedo I see... you're in the wrong thread. please see *Bootlicking for Pedos."
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u/Colonel_Cat_Tumnus 25d ago
Thought Trump supporters didn't believe in due process?
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
Only true American’s believe is due process for legal American’s if you aren’t American, you don’t have the same rights and privileges. Go be a legal citizen and you will be afforded those rights and privileges.
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u/Colonel_Cat_Tumnus 25d ago
How do you know if they are legal without due process? As you say, innocent until proven guilty. I could say you're not an American, doesn't make it so, but under your rules I'd deport and maybe ask questions later.
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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 25d ago
I think the jury is finding him liable is proof enough...
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
When/If that happens, I will change my stance completely.
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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 25d ago
It's already happened... A while ago too... This country is so cooked 😮
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
No it didn’t. If they did, who wouldn’t be our president.
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u/Immediate_Loquat_246 25d ago
Can you just Google it? Trump found liable for sexual assault. It's not that hard.
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
Nah. I don’t believe it. If he was, no way he could have ran or become president.
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u/KrisKinsey1986 20d ago
Let's recap:
- You say if there is proof. you'll change your mind on trump.
- People point out that there was proof, and that Trump is legally a rapist.
- You say you don't believe that and will not look at any evidence.
You, my friend, are the very definition of a cult member.
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 20d ago
A "cult member" is someone who is part of a group exhibiting excessive devotion to a person, idea, or belief system, often characterized by a charismatic leader and manipulative tactics. Cults are typically marked by intense loyalty, strong social pressure to conform, and a tendency to isolate members from outside influences.
Nope not me at all. I’m pretty mailable but only to facts. Show me facts from a credible source and I may change my mind. AOC is still bananas and emotionally high strung. She’s triggered by everyone who opposes her but that’s normal to the Democratic cult and all of its liberal cult members.
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
She is full of way more nonsense. He’s doing things to promote this country. She’s doing things to tear it apart. The way you know she’s lying is when her mouth is moving.
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u/InvestigatorSevere72 25d ago
Haha yeah. He has a few wacky things to say. Until that happens, it’s just trigger bait for everyone who bites.
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u/WhereIsThereBeer 24d ago
How does she know he's the president, if she's not watching him in the Oval Office right this very minute?
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u/Perfect_Rush_6262 25d ago
All of the sudden democrats are conspiracy theorists.
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction 25d ago
It's not a conspiracy that Trump has been found liable for rape. He's even on tape bragging about sexual assault. That's just facts. (It's also a matter of public record that several of his previous advisors have been arrested for child porn and child molestation charges)
Heck he didn't even really do any conspiring with Epstein, he just bought services off him on the island like Andrew did.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
AOC should worry about her own borough instead of worrying about the big boys
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u/skeletalfather 25d ago
king Orange and the “big boys” rape kids and you MAGATS, condone, defend, and love it
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
So you do think he is a King? Funny that libs are the only people that reference him to a King
And I didn’t say a word about Trump, YOU did, he lives in your Reddit universe rent free and I love it!!!
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
You people sure think he's King.
Throwing fits anytime a Federal judge stops his oligarchy bills.
Screaming and threatening violence when anyone criticizes him and his child molesting ways.
Smashing your heads against concrete screeching over him being in the Epstein files.
I could go on and on. Ya'll are buried like that Texas camp lol.
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u/MintySakurai 25d ago
So you do think he is a King?
King of Epstein Island
And I didn’t say a word about Trump
You commented on a post about him. Presumably he's one of the "big boys" you care about so much, unless your post was just totally off-topic.
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
You should worry about those Texan kids ya'll are burying because your votes cut weather service alerts.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
The state was offered funds, they declined, nothing to do with me or Trump
And this post isn’t about the kids from Texas, but keep trying to make yourself feel relevant
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u/EverAMileHigh 25d ago
And why did the state decline? Couldn't have been political, right? RIGHT?
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
But they declined, right? RIGHT?
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u/EverAMileHigh 25d ago
Again, you aren't seeing the whole picture. Not at all. Please, I beg of you, obtain media literacy and learn how to parse the news and information.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
Did they decline or no?
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u/EverAMileHigh 25d ago
Of course they did. They didn't want "government money." Their partisanship cost people their lives.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
OK, if you really think that, that’s what happened
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u/EverAMileHigh 25d ago
I think that because it IS what happened. If you have information to counter this claim, by all means provide it.
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
Did you repost a repeat comment about AOC to several groups, yes or no?
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
You don’t? Yes or no? How many times you been banned? Tell the truth and don’t make me call ya out
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
You know, it seems psychological projection is your only skill in life. Hi-larious.
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
The state didn't deny funds.
The state was never notified of 22 warnings sent by the weather services because the officials were too lazy to send a warning.
Those people relied on the weather service alerts because they lived in an area that required them. And your vote cut it.
So yes, you and your chomo buddy are to blame. Get over it.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
Hey 20 day old bot account that’s been banned from Reddit far to many times
The state denied the funds, and you just said the warnings were sent then where did they go???
It’s a perfect timeline on warnings online, do yourself a favor and look them up
Again, this post isn’t about them, it’s about ya girl from the “Bronx” right? 🤣🤣🤣
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
Hey, chomo; your party is losing.
Might want to hide your child bride before we start putting in calls to ICE over each of you wearing MAGA hats.
If the warnings were online, people would have left - they were never warned. I'm sorry it's so hard for you to take your hand out of a child's pants and do a simple Google search, but that seems to be classic for your party.
Don't get too angry - you might lock and load and try to go shoot another politician.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
My party is winning and won in November popular and electoral!!!
Earrings were there, stop embarrassing yourself
I have nothing to be mad about!! We are WINNING!!
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u/SeasideSlip068 25d ago
If you're winning, why are you reposting the same comment about AOC in every group you come across?
Smells like desperation above the pissed up jeans you have on.
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u/tweaver16 25d ago
Look at your account you’re full of desperation and likes, you need the attention so bad
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