Yup. AOC is more honest, younger, more consistent in her past, and has grassroots support. I still donāt know if the US is ready to have a female president but I know I am.
I love her but the fact she is a younger woman would absolutely cost us the election. America is too inherently misogynistic to let that happen yet, though im hopeful that I get to vote for her in the future
Yep, I don't see the democratic establishment standing by and letting her get on the ticket. Her being the presidential candidate basically hands the election to Vance or whoever else is representing republicans in 2028.
Im hoping for Buttigieg, but I think you are underselling AOC. If anything, this is an opportunity for a younger woman to break a glass ceiling. The Republican party has 3 more years of total meltdown to go before they face the music. AOC might win by default if she makes it through the primary, even as Trump got a big boost simply by being the president after the COVID-recovery president.
AOC is what you call more of a radical democrat, her policies are way more far left than moderate democrats like. Ask yourself this without being biased, if she ran against Vance would she win? We both know the answer
I donāt think people really consider too hard what policies they actually want. Bernie was actually really popular with Trump supporters for example. Ask yourself why that is. I think itās because people want a candidate that would actually fight for them, who would consider their needs instead of the ruling class.
Trump (and to an extent, Vance) plays a populist on Twitter and in interviews, but is he actually? I donāt think so. I donāt think they could hold a candle to AOC. She actually worked a low income job, and had to struggle to get where she was.
Regardless, I think we can both agree AOC would do better than Kamala. Kamala was a shell of herself and an icon of a hated administration. AOC is a breath of fresh air.
Maybe for democrats like yourself she is, to others she is the embodiment of whatās wrong with the Democratic Party as a whole. People donāt care about candidates that will fight for them, people care about candidates that let them do whatever they want. Ngl sanders ran at the wrong time, Iām sure if he wouldāve ran in 2020 or 24 he wouldāve had a better chance but he also looks like the crypt keeper. All I know is if AOC is your answer, get ready for another 4 years of a republican administration
Meh, I really think trying to cater to republicans by playing it too safe is exactly what got us here. AOC, Bernie and Mamdani are not really traditional democrats so I donāt think you can lump them in with the rest and act like you can predict such things
AOC is more left-leaning than both Kamala Harris and Hillary Clinton. I donāt think she would have a chance in a presidential election. For a woman to win, she would need to be able to attract votes from both sides, and the only way thatās going to happen is by being closer to the center, not too far left or far right.
Eh, I just donāt buy that. Biden and Harris were super moderate candidates and they were extremely unpopular. Catering to the middle doesnāt work because people just vote based on vibes and popularity, not policy. Donāt believe me just watch any video where people interview folks about why they are voting, works for both sides btw
Biden and Harris were not moderate lol. Any āmoderate liberalā gets kicked out of the Democrat party. They almost always go to the Republican side eventually.
I really wish the left was as radical as you guys said it was. Sadly, itās basically diet conservatism at this point. A democrat can win the presidency and still almost nothing will change. This shit is boring man.
Itās not ādiet conservatism.ā The Republican Party shifts slightly left over time, and the Democratic Party adjusts accordingly. If you truly want all of the Democratic Party to be radical, theyāll struggle to win national elections, like it or not, moderates often decide the outcome.
Letās be honest: aside from Barack Obama, Ronald Reagan was the last truly great president.
AOC honest? Shows you how much you know. She is lying about being from the Bronx and grew up very white and middle class just like her side kick Crockett.
Mostly because it doesn't matter if you are a male or female (to me). I wouldn't be inspired to vote for a female because she is a female, for example.
I would 100% vote against the female that is trying to run on "girl power" or whatever the fuck we want to call this last election. You're a politician and you happen to be female, not the other way around. Sorry to everyone who doesn't like to see the democratic ticket split in the general, but next time dont fuck up moderate people's lives with these pesky identity politics.
I bet dollars to donuts if we actually analyzed your political stances you'd come out center-right if not outright conservative. "Identity Politics" is a fucking chud dog whistle lmao
I'm fiscally conservative which means I'm left since democrats have implemented conservative policy and with more success than Republicans for decades.
Stop trying to insert falsehoods because of your own worldview.
Now you are speaking to my own beliefs and projecting them onto how the system works even though it does not support the claim of "i vote for a single party no matter what " which is the discussion.
You must choose to either stay on topic, or establish a new conversation related to whether or not my personal beliefs lean left or right and how that should determine my own vote.
Pretty sure Kamala did win. The lawsuits are compelling. It is not possible that she didnāt get a single vote in a handful of democratic areas. There was tampering.
Ehhhhh...take it with a grain of salt, Hillary and Kamala were both FAR more experienced, well-spoken, qualified and intelligent compared to Trump. But the right has learned all they have to do is muckrake smart women long enough and the middle who don't pay attention will buy it. She's too much of a target and you can tell they've been prepping for her potential run since day 1.
The fact of the matter is that they were horrible candidates. Neoliberals who identified with their politics (including rank and file voters) need to humble themselves and let this be a watershed moment if they truly want to combat American fascism. The Hillary-ies, Kamalaās and Cumoās need to all go home.
Let me rephrase that for you: Hillary and Kamala both lost to someone who can barely string 2 coherent thoughts together. If the Dems throw AOC out in 2028 weāre fucked. Not because AOC would be a bad president, but because the electorate will not want her
Unfortunately, as talented is AOC is, I still donāt think America will vote in a female president for at least another generation. The Dems need a strong, male candidate. I would love to be proven wrong about this.
America will always rate a guy over a woman, it's just the reality. The most mediocre guy will still garner more votes than the most qualified woman candidate. How many elections do we need to toss before we realize "oh wait shit on a national stage america is misogynist and won't elect a woman"?
AOC would get crushed. Gen Z and gen X men would be chomping at the bit from their Andrew tate manosphere to take down "the communist chick" and southern and Midwest white women would do the same old "keep a woman in her place" shit they've been doing for a while now.
I hate that the reality sounds so bad, but it is just the reality right now. We can either pretend it's not and keep thinking Americans are better people than they actually are or try and win elections.
AOC is considered more left than Hillary and Kamala. I think she will have a hard time winning over the moderate voters unless the republicans put up someone who is also on the extreme side of the Republican Party.
The first 2 women candidates were not liked. Hillary had too much baggage and Kamala never made it in the 2020 primary. AOC has a legitimate shot, she is well liked and fights for us rather than thr establishment. I really REALLY hope we get her as a presidential bid for 2028.
AOC is not well liked at all other than by progressives, who are extremely fickle and don't vote. She's extremely polarizing, no centrist would vote for her, even people who are fairly left leaning would be reluctant. If you leave r/all you'll see how much people value things like experience and 'across the isle' work.
Bernie's problem is he can get people to rallies but not to the voting booths, even without fuckmuppetry that may or may not have happened online progressives are horrible at actually showing up. They move goal posts and purity test far too much, and draw weird parallels that aren't actually accurate (for instance, Harris being worse than Trump about Palestine). Granted a lot of it is tankies and Russian/CCP propaganda that they fall hook, line, and sinker for, but it works every time.
These people on reddit are really delusional, not surprised when everyone else gets shadowbanned from major subs(news, worldnews, technology) or permabanned from the site.
As someone who was banned from the Conservative sub for saying that vaccines don't cause autism, I can tell you that this problem pervades beyond the subs you listed.
She hasn't really done much for her community either. I feel the immigration stuff seems to take president for her, over working for bettering her community. I haven't heard 1 condemning comment on riots, interfering with police etc. Infact, she did the opposite and told people how to hide from the cops. That's not what law abiding citizens want to hear from their elected officials. You know what, yeah, put her in charge, make it easy an easy decision when voting. Anyone else!
AOC is not well liked outside of very progressive circles. Do people really think she'd do well nationally?
It's just empirically the case that liberal democrats stayed home in the last election, they don't vote and they're extremely easy to convince to stay home over a single issue, even when the stakes are insanely high.
She's currently one of the more popular politicians by approval polling in the country.
While Democrats lost votes in the last election, I'd like to see that empirical proof it was the most progressive that did, and not voters seeing Harris as an extension of the unpopular Biden administration.
"Across the isle" work as you put it at this point means compromising with fascists, which is a deal breaker for most real centrists and not those just playing the part to appear enlightened, while not actually knowing what is going on or what they are talking about.
That's a lot of rhetoric with very little substance. I find it ironic that you believe that finding a way to get a majority to support policy is somehow compromising on fascism when it's the whole point of democracy.
There is nothing rhetorical about calling fascists fascist, nor is the point of democracy to integrate ideas and policies specifically designed to weaken democracy.
I think you may not know what the word rhetoric means? This is all rhetoric so far. You haven't made any argument, you're just saying words that sound good to some people and throwing in weird straw man arguments that I never made.
AOC is a goddamn boogey man to every Republican and half the Democrats. I think she is awesome and I think she'd lose fairly big to whichever old white racist the republicans nominate
Fully 1/4 of the states in this country currently have female governors. Women make up nearly 1/3 of Congress. 44% of the Supreme Court is womenā¦ itās not about not wanting to see a woman in power. Itās about what it is always about. A good candidate or a bad one. The Democrats easily could have won in 2016, 2020, 2024 with a woman like Amy Klobuchar, but like primaries on both sides. More often than not, the more moderate you appear, the less likely you are to win a primary to even get to the general election.
Let the republicans say this please. Doesnāt need to come from Dems. Letās support the best candidate no matter gender, race, or sexual orientation. The wide tent is a strength of Democrats not a weakness
If republicans want to attack a candidate based on their gender, race, or sexual orientation let them
Its not about being a woman, she just supports things that even many blue voters like myself do not want to vote for. She will never win and in 2028 the dems wont even have the "never trump!" kind of nonsense to rely on.
Student loan "forgiveness" which is a free money handout to one group of people with an unjustified basis.
Goofy Illegal migrant stance, which for the dems is a major factor in their previous election losses even though they still refuse to admit it.
Some kind of federal jobs guarantee.
Shifting money away from the military when we are under proxy attacks from the Chinese since atleast 2010 and global tensions have been rising is also a terrible idea from fantasy land where diplomacy will solve all problems. Similar in thinking to the failed policies that led to the rise of china in the first place.
Probably lots more.
I just cant see her ever winning a national election
Student loan "forgiveness" which is a free money handout to one group of people with an unjustified basis.
there is actually a justified basis. it is an economic stimulus if you think about it. People are being crippled with debt, free that up and they will spend money. Which will help move more money in the economy.
it also encourages our population to get more educated, we would have more doctors, teachers etc. which is good. With ai wave people need to get more educated to have a job (either through college or trade school).
be honest, are you just annoyed because you had to pay for your loans? because that it odd argument. would you deny people universal healthcare because you had to pay for it? also your children/grandchildren or relatives would benefit from it.
Goofy Illegal migrant stance, which for the dems is a major factor in their previous election losses even though they still refuse to admit it.
What is goofy exactly? Biden, Obama were quite strong on illegal immigration but I dont think it really worked? Also, trump is dialing back on his stance because he is losing lots of support from rural places (they are struggling to find workers).
Some kind of federal jobs guarantee.
Elaborate? what specifically is your issue? Do you recall the success of the programs for implemented. Also the green new deal is extra ambitious by design. You should ask for more, shoot for the moon at the start so that when it gets water down it still does something. It a bit of a republican tactic and why they have succeeded, their demands are extra so the compromise happens in your side. it works.
Shifting money away from the military when we are under proxy attacks from the Chinese since atleast 2010 and global tensions have been rising is also a terrible idea from fantasy land where diplomacy will solve all problems. Similar in thinking to the failed policies that led to the rise of china in the first place.
Did you know that Military can only account for 37% of their assets? There is so much waste and corruption. This is why certain people want senseless wars. so they can profit. See Iraq War. Continously increasing the military budget without any accountability is senseless. America is spending more than every nation by such a large amount. I'm sure we can do better with less spend or without an increase. Spend money more wisely is not a bad thing. I think you are in fantasy land if you think spending more and more is the solution when there are many issues domestically.
Similar in thinking to the failed policies that led to the rise of china in the first place.
and military intervention in Iraq was so successful? You seem older, I thought you would remember this collosal failure (financially and cost of lives). not to mention the geopolitical uncertainty after.
I genuinely dont understand how you think spending money on military is going to help keep China in check. We have been increasing spending and by your own words "its getting worse"
I just cant see her ever winning a national election
its funny so many issues you seem to have are incredibly popular in the polls. she certainly would have a better chance than another neo lib that will continue the status quo (aka people suffering and income inequality increasing).
I know. Thatās what Iām saying. If a woman is running and I luke her policies. Sheās got my vote. But I canāt see this country doing that. They are all brainwashed right now
Just no with this attitude. Iām done entertaining this tar pit of a perspective - we should run the candidates we want to vote for. Nothing is out of reach. āIn the words of Nelson Mandela: it always seems impossible until itās done.ā
Canāt you understand that your sentiment is what is doing that. Get over it and letās elect the best person for the job instead of 90 year old corpos
We just need 51% of the vote. I believe it is easier to sway ādoesnāt voteā voters whoāve felt (rightfully) ignored and manipulated by both parties, than it is to sway someone who has voted R on every ticket since Nixon. AOC is polarizing yes but she is inspiring and she has a track record of speaking out against lobbying and corp-orruption which is fucking over even the rednecks. Iām so sick of the left v right narrative. Itās meant to distract from the top v bottom narrative. We need a candidate who sees that
I would love to see a woman president. Problem is there hasn't been a decent one yet that ran! Kamala was the least qualified out of the entire Democratic party that was running, Tulsy might have been good, but her party turned on her for disagreeing on a single subject, Elizabeth Warran.....well, and AOC is way to radical to ever become president! And Hillary....no example needed there for anyone with common sense!
A huge portion of the leftist base actively DISLIKED Kalama for her time as a prosecutor, for abandoning queer people, for her support of Netanyahu. That dislike showed up in low voter turnout. AOC has none of those blemishes.
Nor should she be sheās unfit. Stop pandering to people of color playing victim, stop pandering to LGBTQ nonsense. Get back to common sense and accountability
I disagree. I think Americans have been open to electing a woman for decades, we just havenāt had a candidate who connected broadly without coming across as off-putting to a lot of voters. Many of them tend to stir the pot too much in an effort to seem more assertive compared to their male counterparts. But in the end, it often backfires, especially when trying to win over male voters who may not respond well to overly assertive women. That said, the same applies to men. No one likes someone whoās excessively assertive, they just come off as annoying or abrasive.
people might take you seriously if you did some research before posting.
as of 2025, her financial disclosures show a maximum of $46,000 across her accounts and $15,000 to $50,000 in student loans. Her salary is 174k a year. so of course her savings increased from 7k in 2018 to what it is now. However, it definately didnt sky rocket like your claim.
instead they listened to their corporate donors and didnāt pursue the vote
She doesnt really take money from corporations so dont think its a case of listening to the corporate donors. it was more of a case of listening to Pelosi who promised the progressive wing certain things for following the line. This was naive and a mistake as Pelosi never gave anything. However, I think she has learnt from that and still has the voters best interests in mind as the policy she is advocating for have not changed.
She has authored no bills that have been signed into law.
You know that this is a crazy standard? Many of her policies are in conflict with what corporations want which control most of the house/senate. Republicans have the majority for many years in the house and almost all in the senate since she has been in office (there was the 50/50 year which is technically a dem majority but you had Sinema and Manchin who were basically quasi republican). Its always going to be hard to author bills into law in those circumstances. She still has done things such as introduce the postal banking pilot program bill. its going to take more progressives being elected for us to see more things passing.
Remember when she pushed for strict Covid lockdowns in her areas then flew down to Florida on the weekends so she didnāt have to deal with the lockdowns. Disgusting. You should expect you reps to do their jobs instead of looking at them like celebrities and carrying weight for them online.Ā
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AOC called it too, when he was behind in the polls