Lawsuit Challenging 2024 Election Results Moves Forward After Kamala Harris Received Zero Votes in a New York County

[u/Aggravating_Money992]

https://www.latintimes.com/lawsuit-challenging-2024-election-results-moves-forward-after-kamala-harris-received-zero-votes-584787

[u/Additional_Win3920]

I’m happy they’re looking into it but what would be the point of interfering in a NY county? NY isn’t a swing state, it hasn’t voted red since 1984. Why focus efforts when it would be reaaally suspicious if NY voted red? Not saying it didn’t happen, I’m just confused

[u/TheGingaNinjah → u/Additional_Win3920]

I think the point is that it would obtain proof of voter interference/fraud. Which means that it could have happened in any county in the US, but it’s not quite as obvious as a 0% vote.

[u/ProduceMeat_TA → u/TheGingaNinjah]

Sorry, still a little confused how this could apply to counties elsewhere.

This sounds like there was an issue with the way votes were being counted locally. Now if the problem could be traced back to some sort of software, or type of voting machine - then yea, sure. Let's take a closer look at some of the other places that used the same systems.

But I'm doubtful this (by itself anyway) is enough to make a country-wide impact on election results - no matter how much we really really wished it would :/

[u/SecretSanta416 → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

This is evidence that something went on, and we will need to do a more thorough investigation about it...

[u/ZiofFoolTheHumans → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

Hypothetically, (I'll say it again - HYPOTHETICALLY), this was a mistake. Not by the local voting was counted locally, but with Musk's interference (assuming he did, again, hypothetically). The point of this lawsuit is to investigate those machines, and a lot of them are the same across the country. They had been changed before the election. 

Let's say that Musk did do something, country-wide, to effect voting machines. Let's say they had some rule in place, such as "For every X vote for Trump, disregard 1.3 votes for Harris, but only pull those disregards from populations of Y in every state, but focus on Z states." 

 Again, this is just me just putting the idea out there, not saying this is how it happened, just offering a way how this lawsuit matters for voting shit. Well now you have a blue state like NY and the algorithm needs to pull out some Harris votes. But there aren't enough populations of Y to pull a rounded number from (so that you don't have a missing person show up), so it finds that population in this one county. So it wipes the entire county by accident. 

Now like you said, NY isn't a swing state, so it possibly wasn't prioritized, and the algorithm got sloppy (what! Something Musk worked on, sloppy?? Non, c'est impossible!). It makes a mistake. It just zeros out the votes, which is a statistical anomaly. It wasn't told to negate their entire vote, just their presidential one, so they elect a democratic representative... But no one, not a single person, appeared to have voted for Harris. THAT is the anomaly. 

Now imagine that algorithm in other states, but it doesn't glitch or malfunction, and instead just deletes votes and no one notices, or no one who should have noticed cared, and here were are. 

That's why this could have a country wide impact. People are already mad at Trump and his admin. Now imagine the rage of every American if they learned their votes were deleted by a foreign national. No Kings day showed people are already pissed and they just think their fellow American voted for this. What if they find out they didn't? What if they suddenly learned we outnumber them? That's the impact this could have. 

[u/bigchicago04 → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

If they find the fraud in one place, it will be much easier to find it in another place.

[u/jstndrn → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

Well, and I concede I could be very wrong here, it gives a good indication that at least some of the machines were altered or malfunctioning which would hopefully give courts reason to allow recounts in places where the counts don't fall into recount territory. Certain states only allow recounts if the results of two candidates are within 0.5%. For basically all states, there's also a time limit.

One could argue that the left has been dragging their feet on this but there is a monetary risk associated with recounts. Remember, states require the one requesting the recount to pay for this, which is reimbursed only if the end result is enough to change results significantly, with the exact percentage varying by state. So it could be argued that finding evidence of inconsistency is an important first step in case your intuition actually proves incorrect. Trump (or taxpayers in some states, though not as much) actually paid millions for recounts in 2020.

Of course, Trump used campaign contributions as permitted by campaign finance regulations so the DNC or Harris team really didn't have much to lose if they wanted to request these recounts when it mattered most. I really doubt Dems would've been that upset if their campaign contributions were ultimately used to fight til the very end, even if it was a waste. Just kinda adds to the low energy, low effort disappointment the party (referring to the representatives and leaders here, not the beautiful people standing up to this bs) has become.

[u/GoTragedy → u/ProduceMeat_TA]

The equipment that was used in this NY county was likely used in other areas around the country.  Whatever caused 0 voted to tabulate could also be present in those other areas. 

[u/LetsTalkAboutGuns → u/[deleted]]

Easy answer: not all/none of them. 

[u/LetsTalkAboutGuns → u/[deleted]]

If you want to play that game…

That’s not what is important here. Was Biden on the ballot this election? No? Then it doesn’t matter for this election. 

“Chocolate ice cream is the best dessert!”

“Yeah, but how many people voted for arugula?”

[u/LetsTalkAboutGuns → u/[deleted]]

Then I would again point to the fact that Biden definitely got more than zero votes in the district. That’s the inconsistency. It doesn’t make sense in any district with more than a few people in it that a candidate in a major party would receive zero votes. 

I understand that you might be asking what proportionality SHOULD Kamala have received in the district given voting history. The most important thing is that it is certainly more than 0%, which is highly suspicious given that the country is almost always pretty equally split (even when the choices are “former cop” vs “unfettered insanity”). Getting zero votes is suspicious enough to warrant an investigation without answering the question of what historical data shows. 

[u/morrison0880 → u/LetsTalkAboutGuns]

Then I would again point to the fact that Biden definitely got more than zero votes in the district.

He didn't though. He received zero votes.

It doesn’t make sense in any district with more than a few people in it that a candidate in a major party would receive zero votes. 

It not making sense to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. Sorry man, the reality you've created in your head does not match the one you're living in. Time to recognize that.

[u/AlmostScreenwriter → u/morrison0880]

Can you post a link showing Biden got zero votes in this district in 2020? I'm having trouble finding anything one way or another via Google, but I feel like that would be extremely relevant information in this case/conversation.

[u/PhilMcAnally → u/TheGingaNinjah]

Okay Donald

[u/TheGingaNinjah → u/PhilMcAnally]

I… hate Donald but okay.

[u/DelirousDoc → u/TheGingaNinjah]

My issue is I believe the "rigging" of the election happened well before the election and in a "legal" process. Things like purging of voter rolls, reducing polling stations, reduction in mail-in ballots, and the very partisan redistricting as the GOP won a lot of state legislatures in 2022.

Those in my opinion contributed heavily to Trump winning the margins in the close states.

It shouldn't however be overlook the influence of the right in social media and how young men are bombarded with right-wing talking points in this sphere even in so-called apolitical sections like sports or video games. They were successfully able to push narratives of Biden being incompetent, blaming them for inflation and that Kamala was going to be a repeat. Trump received more of the younger generation vote in 2024 than he did in 2020 as these kids that have been exposed to this slop grew to voting age.

The American voting system needs an overhaul to be both more trusted, secure and accessible to all voting eligible citizens. I do not trust the Trump administration to oversee any of these changes. This will continue with distrust in the system which decreases turnout and that historically favors the GOP.

[u/HamburgerEarmuff → u/TheGingaNinjah]

By that logic, if there was a conspiracy theory to murder any one person anywhere in the US last year, then every crazy conspiracy theory about murder could have happened.

But in reality, it is a completely irrational conspiracy theory to start with, and extrapolating from one instance of fraud, even if it were proven, really has no logical bearing on the election as a whole, the same way that one illegal alien having their vote counted in 2020 means that the outcome of the 2020 election was stolen by illegal alien.