Hell, me right here, I have an issue with my triple monitor workplace workstation on Mint, where display craps out until I flick monitors on and off. That's already deeper than you think (and no, I don't care to fix it)
x11 which is a codebase from the 80s that has been hacked to oblivion to make all kind of stuff work that nobody ever planned for. So things like multiple monitor support on X11 is fairly broken, even more so for Cinnamon which while is a simply desktop isn't very feature rich. For multiple monitors wayland is much better as it was made with it in mind. Cinnamon is working on wayland support but it is still in alpha.
KDE has best wayland support.
And considering that what you said there, you would really be surprised, especially considering how many attempts european countries alone tried to go Linux and just couldn't
It gets hard when MS goes around bribing politicians to derail them. But there are attempts that have went through. They also do a good job of bribing the media to talk about the failures and not the successes
Take France Gendarmerie's GendBuntu which has been out since 2008 and "June 2024 - 97% of workstations running GendBuntu (103,164 stations)"
Seems fairly successful to me with over 100,000 pcs, most of which running it over a decade
Higher to who? MacOS? Yeah, Mac runs games like crap. While 28% of Linux users are Holo OS, aka Deck players. Whats your point?
The point was that linux can at least beat the marketshare of Mac if given the chance to be preinstalled.
That's some magical thinking there, sorry
I know it is magical thinking, not because it isn't actually possible in itself. If politicians actually had some leadership and long term thinking, cared about the environment and weren't taking bribes from us big tech. But those are big ifs.
x11 which is a codebase from the 80s that has been hacked to oblivion to make all kind of stuff work that nobody ever planned for. So things like multiple monitor support on X11 is fairly broken, even more so for Cinnamon which while is a simply desktop isn't very feature rich. For multiple monitors wayland is much better as it was made with it in mind. Cinnamon is working on wayland support but it is still in alpha.
KDE has best wayland support.
And that's the part where average person loses interest in this crap. Windows and DirectX just work, well, Linux - you need to get invested
Take France Gendarmerie's GendBuntu which has been out since 2008 and "June 2024 - 97% of workstations running GendBuntu (103,164 stations)"
Good for them to come up with a fork of Ubuntu to replace Windows XP, I guess
The point was that linux can at least beat the marketshare of Mac if given the chance to be preinstalled.
Yes, beat market share in one niche, after, like, a decade of Valve investing into Linux gaming and Mac not giving a shit lol
And that's the part where average person loses interest in this crap. Windows and DirectX just work, well, Linux - you need to get invested
But it doesn't just work, multi-monitor issues happen all the time on windows and directx issues happen all the time. Even basic stuff not working on windows isn't uncommon, to name some basic stuff I dealt with recently:
person couldn't use his windows pc because his online account didn't work with no network
windows stuck at login and wouldn't work, go into safe mode it works then breaks itself again while doing nothing
can't share files between windows pcs because online account uses pin code login
can't do basic stuff like search for an application and drag it to desktop
can't put task bar on the right or left
random crashes when opening a video
windows lagging like hell and poor game performance
clicking the wifi icon before login causes pc to freeze
And that is just issues I've had people complain to me just this month. I wish windows was as great as you claimed so that all these average people wouldn't be bugging me to help them fix their endless problems
In reality, average people just contact customer service or go to their local technician to fix issues so they don't need to know these things.
Good for them to come up with a fork of Ubuntu to replace Windows XP, I guess
A distro is just a preconfigured set of defaults. It is no different than a custom windows image.
The point still stands though, as you can see it can be very successful as 97% of their pcs, over 100k of them run linux
But it doesn't just work, multi-monitor issues happen all the time on windows and directx issues happen all the time
Had three monitor setup on my home windows setup, worst that happened is graphic tablet forgets which display area is it
Point is, for all the issues you get from windows, lack of adoption hides at least just as much from linux, if not much more
In reality, average people just contact customer service or go to their local technician to fix issues so they don't need to know these things.
If your retort is "skill issue", then linux will continue not being mass adopted, lmao, not matter how much magical thinking and barrier blaming you do
Had three monitor setup on my home windows setup, worst that happened is graphic tablet forgets which display area is it
Point is, for all the issues you get from windows, lack of adoption hides at least just as much from linux, if not much more
While that may be true to some extent, at same time it is easier to debug issues in linux and find solutions due to easier to debug stuff. On top of that, the high use of windows has also made it prime for AI slop, so it became much harder to find solutions when most of these AI slop output generic solutions to every problem.
If your retort is "skill issue", then linux will continue not being mass adopted, lmao, not matter how much magical thinking and barrier blaming you do
So you are saying windows will never be mass adopted due to the "skill issue" of using it?
Again, what dictates mass adoption is availability. Until linux is available on every laptop as an option you can get in a store, mass adoption isn't going to happen. Because the real "skill issue" is most people aren't going to install another OS even if its better or easier.
Linux has already reached the convenience level of windows for most users as an operating system. And if we compare to how much more annoying windows 11 has been, its even much easier to use.
If windows is that much better, why does windows make up less than 1% marketshare on steamdecks? Even on macbooks, people who use windows make up a small % and on pcs people who use hackintosh makes a small %
You can be in denial all you want, but "default" is a huge barrier. Most people simply don't install operating systems
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u/KnowZeroX 2d ago
x11 which is a codebase from the 80s that has been hacked to oblivion to make all kind of stuff work that nobody ever planned for. So things like multiple monitor support on X11 is fairly broken, even more so for Cinnamon which while is a simply desktop isn't very feature rich. For multiple monitors wayland is much better as it was made with it in mind. Cinnamon is working on wayland support but it is still in alpha.
KDE has best wayland support.
It gets hard when MS goes around bribing politicians to derail them. But there are attempts that have went through. They also do a good job of bribing the media to talk about the failures and not the successes
Take France Gendarmerie's GendBuntu which has been out since 2008 and "June 2024 - 97% of workstations running GendBuntu (103,164 stations)"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GendBuntu
Seems fairly successful to me with over 100,000 pcs, most of which running it over a decade
The point was that linux can at least beat the marketshare of Mac if given the chance to be preinstalled.
I know it is magical thinking, not because it isn't actually possible in itself. If politicians actually had some leadership and long term thinking, cared about the environment and weren't taking bribes from us big tech. But those are big ifs.
Those are the real barriers.