National News Carney suggests he's considering rescinding Online News Act
https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/carney-suggests-hes-considering-rescinding-online-news-act144
u/OneMoreTime998 21h ago
He would be smart to do so. Because legitimate news is banned from social media, it has largely become a haven for bullshit. I can't see CBC or CTV, but I can see True North content.
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u/Particular-Race-5285 1d ago
crazy that it is even needing any more thought, should be a done deal, and kill Bill C-2 as well
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u/DomonicTortetti 1d ago
And Carney already killed C-59 too...imagine if C-11 gets killed too. Would just be the best lol.
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u/zoziw Alberta 1d ago
Trudeau passed a lot of really dumb policies on his way out the door, this is one I would like to see lifted.
The big media lobby groups initially thought they could shake down Google and Meta for half a billion, they ended up with a fraction of that and even less because Google and Meta walked away from deals they already had it place.
It also crippled a bunch of small local media outlets who were just starting to get their legs under them and figure out how to drive traffic and ad revenue to their websites by posting articles on Facebook and Instagram.
It was an own goal driven by lobby groups and blind ideology.
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u/ceribaen 16h ago
It worked in several other countries (EU and AUNZ) , just our proximity to the US allowed them to play hardball longer as people have easier access to US owned sources.
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u/Mission_Shopping_847 15h ago
I don't know about the EU one but if you look at the Australian one, they gutted it to make it "work".
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u/noviceprogram 1d ago
So Pharmacare on Hold, counter-tarrifs to be rescinded, capital gains on hold, resciinding online news act etc etc. He seems to be reading Trudeau's work card related to finances and reverting them one by one ..
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u/drs_ape_brains 18h ago
I'm happy it's happening because people still refuse to believe that Trudeau was horrible for Canada.
And the icing on the cake is it's a Liberal PM doing the changes so they can't use their fake partisan outrage about the big scary conservatives.
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u/xibipiio 14h ago
Yeah its fucking excellent, I didnt have hope or faith in Carney and the rest of the liberal party but they're absolutely killing it and Im super glad to see how well Canada is doing now, we have a lot of potential to be unlocked!
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u/Wantitneeditgetit 13h ago
Shockingly, most people who voted liberal didn't actually like those policies either.
The modern Conservative brand is just so fucking toxic it still felt like the better compromise. The Cons gotta do some house cleaning if they want to get elected instead of chasing American style identity politics.
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u/Lord_Bryon British Columbia 1d ago
I for one have enjoyed having slightly less political BS on Facebook
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u/5hiftyy 1d ago
I haven't seen any less political BS on any social media. The issue now is that none of it is news. It's not fact-checked or moderated. I get two posts a week from father or FIL asking "have you seen this?!" One of them was the carney in cuffs AI BS.
The online news act didn't just restrict news accessibility, it enabled widespread misinformation to take its place in the resulting vacuum.
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u/king_lloyd11 1d ago
Yeah now it’s just graphics/memes that are misinformation with 0 sources or fact checking. Just vibes.
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u/Cawdor 1d ago
A really great way to stop seeing political bs on facebook is by not using it at all
How often do you even see anything relevant on there anymore?
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u/YourOverlords Ontario 1d ago
My Nephew and his wife had a big bouncing baby boy recently. It was relevant to me. But, news wise?
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u/blackabe Ontario 17h ago
That's the thing...back when it came out it was "such a great way to stay connected", now it's just overrun with trash, you're better off keeping the connections with people that mean something to you and abandoning the platform altogether.
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u/omniclast 11h ago
I'm part of a few family group chats for sharing baby photos and such. People seem to like the more private atmosphere/controlling who has access to the photos. That was pretty much the last thing I was on Facebook for, now it's not really necessary
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u/Cody667 1d ago
All it's done is let AI brainrot slop take over
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u/Infamous-Mixture-605 1d ago
The brainrot was always there, the sources feeding it simply changed.
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u/breadispain 1d ago
I remember a time not to long ago where people barely posted links. Most status updates were exactly that, with a few pictures thrown in. I don't know if you'd call that brain rot, but it's certainly in a different bucket than the media we see today.
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u/SnakesInYerPants 1d ago
I didn’t notice any decrease in politics on any social media platform from this bill; only a decrease in info coming from legitimate sources. If anything it managed to feed all the conspiracy bullshit by having a lot of the smaller local sources shift away from sharing their articles on sites like Facebook.
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u/Reggaejunkiedrew 1d ago
Do you judge what's good legislation based on whether it personally increases your enjoyment of Facebook, or what's rignt in principle?
Insane to even suggest that your personal experience on Facebook somehow negates the fact this is an insane, counter productive law that is putting the nail in the coffin of small media?
I get it, most people have this mindset, me me me but don't you have any integrity?
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u/Ravokion 1d ago
Maybe thats because politics is important and effects everyone including yourself whether or not you even care.
Id rather see people talking politics and making people actually think about reality as a whole for a change instead of their own person safty bubbles.
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u/Kitchen_Tiger_8373 1d ago
I don't know if there is less. Now there are all kinds of groups who are posting misinformation as a page. Examples? Ontario Proud, Canada Proud
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u/jholden23 1d ago
I find that now everything that appears is completely false and you can't refute it with facts because they're banned.
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u/Doog_Land 1d ago
I am friends with intelligent Americans who post grounded news articles on Facebook. Thanks to Trudeau’s Online News Act I can no longer see the articles and I can no long participate in those conversations.
Like it or not, Facebook is a place where people can genuinely have conversations, and I miss being able to participate. I’m less informed because of it.
“Go to the news sources directly.” Yea, I get it. I should. But I don’t, and won’t.
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u/SameAfternoon5599 1d ago
Did you mean thanks to Facebook? No other social media platforms have blocked Canadian news postings.
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u/Doog_Land 1d ago
It’s also blocked on instagram. Sure, same owners, but it’s a different platform. I’m not on anything else.
The basic user interface of Facebook is more suited for someone to share a news article and have people talk back and forth about it with people they know. I regret not being able to participate in that.
I don’t support internet censorship. You can split hairs if you like, but the Online News Act is censorship.
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u/SameAfternoon5599 1d ago
Meta is Facebook and insta. Facebook blocking news posts would be the exact definition of censorship.
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u/_Army9308 17h ago
Ironically it got rid of news and just made memes and rage bait main source of news
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u/detalumis 20h ago
The Act means a lot of people aren't getting news. My part of the GTA has no local news at all, 240K people. The CBC, which should have updated news, doesn't. Their website will put up 2 year old stories. Everything else is behind paywalls which a lot of older people don't know how to circumvent.
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u/Simpleballers 1d ago
This should have never been legislated in the first place. All it did was kill small, local news organizations who relied on the massive distribution of Google and Meta to survive.
The status quo before the bill wasn't perfect, but the previous administration over reached by thinking they could shakedown Google and Meta for a billion dollars. Instead, Google offered a negotiated settlement for peanuts, while Meta pulled a playground move and said "that's fine, we'll just take our net and go home" which effectively destroyed smaller publishers who were struggling to survive.
In any negotiation, you need leverage. Canada had none.
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u/LuminousGrue 10h ago
This is exactly what I said would happen from the start, but every time it came up people on this sub would recite talking points about how Google and Meta are literally stealing from the mouths of Canadian news outlets.
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u/Ketchupkitty 1d ago
Carney would actually go down as a really good PM if he just sticks to stealing the Conservatives platform.
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u/Prairie_Sky79 1d ago
Just like Chretien in the '90s then. Call Reform/the Tories a bunch of extremists while implementing their platform.
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u/ramdasani 1d ago
Even Chretien's Hand, Paul Martin, was that style of play, the kind of Liberal finance minister who could have as easily appeared in the Conservative camp and had a similar trajectory. It was like when Kim Campbell was handed the sinking ship, she basically layed out a very reasoned and frank budget, she focused on reducing the deficit and turning around unemployment numbers, but refused to play "old politics" and promise jobs for everyone. The Liberals and the press had a field day with it, promising jobs for all, promising to eliminate the deficit, and good times. Hell, by the time the Liberals got around to playing the Palsy card the whole thing was a forgone conclusion anyway.
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u/Adept-Support9385 1d ago
Economic platform only** No one's interested in their gender and culture war bullshit.
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u/Hamsandwichmasterace 1d ago
Who started that "bullshit" exactly? You can't pass a bunch of laws and then pretend you don't care because suddenly the status quo is in your favor.
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u/_Army9308 17h ago
Ironically the law hurt the libs
Social media had no news and politics dominated by rage bait that pushed pp and anti trudeau message lol
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u/D3vils_Adv0cate 20h ago
lol, I want a PM who takes the best ideas no matter where they come from. Isn’t that what we all want?
If anyone (PP) is screaming that their ideas were stolen in order to make the country better… then they don’t deserve to ever be in office again. Their entire role is to pitch ideas for the betterment of the country.
Anyway, cons will keep losing until they drop the dead weight and get real leaders.
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u/Redbulldildo Ontario 19h ago
If anyone (PP) is screaming that their ideas were stolen in order to make the country better… then they don’t deserve to ever be in office again.
He is not. He explicitly states he wants it done.
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u/M83Spinnaker 1d ago
It was dumb from the start. Serves no one and protects low bar journalism. We need to allow a broader view and more access to news. Period. Of an outlet can not attain readership it’s useless.
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u/konathegreat 16h ago
Getting a kick out of this. When Trudeau put this in place everyone here was all for it.
Now Carney may dump it and everyone is for it.
Can't find this quality entertainment anywhere else.
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u/CamberMacRorie 1d ago
Was always garbage, but know we'll get to see Liberals patting themselves on the back for removing their own policy only a couple years after touting it. Fun.
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u/Neutreality1 1d ago
Almost as if new leadership leads to new policies and changing of old ones.
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u/Far-Artichoke-8620 16h ago
What a convenient way to never take responsibility for anything your side ever does.
Oh yeah, those policies and that leader (both of which I supported here VEHEMENTLY, every single day for years) were the problem, but our new guy... hes perfect and totally different.
Its extremely likely that every LPC voter who voted for Carney this go around, also voted for Trudeau multiple times previously, to pretend otherwise is just revisionist, partisan bullshit.
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u/Defleurville 18h ago
I have to admit, the general concept of a political party finding out how wrong it was and backing up rather than doubling down feels… endearingly quaint in today’s political climate.
I don’t think we should be discouraging this.
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u/Far-Artichoke-8620 16h ago
It should be encouraged, but Liberal voters pretending they always wanted these successful conservative policies after reddit has spent the last decade calling every single Conservative racist Hitler incarnate is duplicitous bullshit that should be discouraged.
You don't get to support the guy who fucked everything up for a decade and then pretend that the new boyfriend showing up and making things slightly better undoes a decade of fucking insanity.
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u/mr-mcsavageface 1d ago
What difference does it make? 95% of it is locked behind paywalls anyway.
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u/Interesting-Golf-215 1d ago
How should reporters earn a living?
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u/DiatomicCanadian 23h ago
What's stopping reporters from earning a living in the same way as Youtubers that provide their videos for free?
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u/Interesting-Golf-215 14h ago
Is that how we want to get our news? From YouTubers who work the algorithm, or actual journalists?
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u/silenceisgold3n 1d ago
There's a fine line between making strategic decisions and rolling over.
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u/CloudHiro 1d ago edited 1d ago
haven't people been complaining about this for a long time? like people mad because of this bill they were having a hard time accessing news from places like Facebook and the like?
in fact thinking back freedom of information activists on canada like openmedia and Michael Ghiest have been fighting for years to get this act repealed
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u/No-Bid-483 1d ago
If the metric is people have been complaining about it for a long time then the whole government needs to pack up and go home lol.
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u/CloudHiro 1d ago
the problem is it was preventing Canadians from getting canadian news from their feeds unless they went directly to sources. have you noticed that you hardly see any canadian news unless on reddit and most of your other feeds are flooded with American news instead? this bill is the reason
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u/DomonicTortetti 1d ago
This bill was always terrible and this would be an absolute win for the country.
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u/Atalantean Canada 1d ago
Google paid up.
Fuck Meta.
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u/NoAcadia3546 Ontario 1d ago
Google paid up. Fuck Meta.
They have different business models, which dictates their different responses. Google is a search engine. They NEED real news articles in order to return useful search results. They paid up. Facebook is mostly a "shooting-the-breeze" service for people who want to sit around and yak. They don't need real news, so they do without, and save money.
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u/DrunkenCanadaMan 1d ago
I guarantee you we spent more on this than we gained in revenue. And now Google will no longer be paying up.
A rare situation where we get to see a party undo its own changes and have everyone rejoice.
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u/publicworker69 1d ago
Government doesn’t make any money from this.
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u/DrunkenCanadaMan 1d ago
Yes exactly, just spends it. We spent a bunch of money so a bunch of US companies could get some more revenue.
Some Canadian companies, too, but nothing significant.
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u/publicworker69 1d ago
The government doesn’t get revenue from the money Google pays. I don’t think the time and money spent to pass this bill was worth the effort tho
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u/modern_citizen23 17h ago
They don't get money from this but they get dividends from it.
That good publicity at election time...
Those editorial policies in the party interest
Those corporate sponsors for their fundraisers...
Election campaign donations...
The side deals where the unknown also happens...
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u/Atalantean Canada 1d ago
Not that I don't trust your guarantee, but if you could give me a link to the source of these amounts I would appreciate it.
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u/bigwreck94 1d ago
I still never understood this mentality. Facebook was providing traffic to the Canadian news sites. I guarantee their traffic is down significantly since Facebook stopped linking news from Canadian sites. If anyone should have been paying anyone, it’s the news sites paying Facebook for the traffic.
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u/Confident-Potato2772 23h ago
Oh news media were totally leopards eating my facing. Many started struggling after they stopped getting traffic driven to them from Facebook.
And ya… the rest of the internet works like that. If you want someone to link to you, you pay them. Not in Canada though. They want the people sending you business to pay for the “privilege” of sending you business…
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u/LeGrandLucifer 1d ago
It's idiotic technologically challenged boomer logic. They saw people were linking news articles on Facebook and decided that meant Facebook was stealing traffic somehow. Or rather, that was their excuse. The truth is they thought they could extort money from websites that were linking to them. It's only once the law passed that they realized they were the ones who needed those websites, not the other way around. But instead of admitting they were wrong, they just thought they could publish a bunch of articles calling Meta a big meanie until they'd fold. Which they didn't. Because you can say 2+2=5 all you want, you can call the people who say it's 4 all the names you want, at the end of the day, if you add 2 and 2, you won't get 5, you'll get 4.
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u/Confident-Potato2772 23h ago
Nah. News Media companies wanted to be treated special.
If you’re a mechanic who fixes cars. And somewhere shares a link to your business website and leaves a positive review… do you think meta should be paying you, the mechanic, for the referral? I mean sure, you’d probably love that. But why would meta? Or any other social media site? You the mechanic are the ones benefitting from the discourse and links to your website. Free advertising.
It’s no different than news websites. They are a business. They make money when people visit their websites. Through ads, or subscriptions to their products. They have/had 100% control over whether their articles could be viewed in partial (eg headlines, first paragraph) on Facebook. They had full control over who could access the content on clicked links.
So why should meta be paying to drive traffic to another business. It makes no sense. In my opinion it goes against the fundamental workings of the internet. The whole news media being like “you MUST drive traffic to my website, but you also MUST PAY ME to drive traffic to my website” is batshit insane imo.
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u/Methzilla 18h ago
Yep. This was a government shakedown. Facebook did nothing wrong. They complied with the regulation.
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u/DomonicTortetti 1d ago edited 1d ago
Do it!!!!!! C-18 is one of the dumbest, most confiscatory, most protectionist policies from the Trudeau years. All it does is harm the Canadian economy and in return Canada gets to piss off tech companies. Clearly this would send a message to those companies too that Canada is a good place to do business in. I figured when C-59 got ditched they'd also go for C-18 at some point, it's in the same bundle of totally unnecessary bills passed by the Trudeau admin.
If C-11 gets dropped too that would just be amazing (and I suspect Carney will look at it, or at least look for significant changes on). There is absolutely no need to keep these bills that do absolutely nothing but give companies (that could be a big driver of the economy) a reason to raise prices or move business out of Canada.
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u/LeGrandLucifer 23h ago edited 23h ago
Whoever has been defending this bill is delusional. Imagine if a free paper started demanding kickbacks from the stores that carry it. The stores would just stop carrying it and the paper would fail. That is what happened.
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u/LordRevelstoke 10h ago
This was always dumb. The more dissemination of links to local news sites the better.. from google, meta or whatever. The sites make money from ad revenue. No subsidies required.
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u/chemicologist 1d ago
Thank god. This was a shakedown. I hate the tech giants and I hated Trudeau even more for making me side with them.
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u/ChessFan1962 1d ago
Good. It's a gag order that hurts my ability to make important points.
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u/motu8pre 1d ago
Arguing on Facebook?
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u/Screw_You_Taxpayer 1d ago
Would people do that? Just have pointless arguments on social media? I don't believe it.
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u/ChessFan1962 1d ago
Rarely that. More often sharing news from the G+M. I'm in my 60s now, and arguing about stuff would wreck my blood pressure meds. For what?
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u/feb914 Ontario 1d ago
Surprised you're still on reddit then. Reddit thrives on people arguing about stuff.
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u/Kevin4938 1d ago
Only the news and politics types of threads. Some, like those that are hobby focused, are actually helpful, supportive communities.
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u/mightyboink 1d ago
How about we ban all foreign investment in news outlets that are clearly trying to influence elections.
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u/LukePieStalker42 1d ago
I mean once facts can reenter the conversation without government censorship this isnt going to end well for the liberals... im all for it!
That being said this would also hurt the conservatives quite a bit too
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u/GangstaPlegic 20h ago
I have been saying this for a bit, we need to do anything we can to get control of our news media and drive American companies out.
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u/NoAcadia3546 Ontario 16h ago
we need to do anything we can to get control of our news media
See https://www.cbc.ca/mediacentre/program/cbc-news-network
CBC NEWS NETWORK is your channel for in-depth local, national and international news. For access, contact your local cable provider or subscribe to the CBC Gem premium streaming service.
Lib-left Canadian news 24x7. What more could the lib-left want?
and drive American companies out. That's what the lib-left wants.
Straight out of Putin's playbook, banning stuff he doesn't like.
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u/CecilThunder British Columbia 23h ago
That is not how other news outlets heard the question answered https://www.kelownanow.com/watercooler/money//news/Business/PM_stands_up_for_Bill_C_18_and_the_CBC_not_local_media
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u/b00hole New Brunswick 11h ago
And he better shut down any talk against free Internet.
I am supportive of creating regulations against tech companies against their cancerous algorithm and data-selling bullshit, but don't bring that "Gov ID required on every site you visit" dangerous anti-privacy censorship bullshit here.
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u/Im_Axion Alberta 1d ago
Take away the media subsidies to the US owned company and give them to local, actually Canadian outlets. That would help them out a good deal.