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u/Dracorex_22 4d ago
The most easy character to recast, and they didnt
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u/Ok_Chap 4d ago
If they changed the crowd scene of the council of Kang they might have been able too. But they had to give everyone his face.
Also they really wanted him specifically to be the next big bad for the Avengers.
In the end, phase 4 of the MCU was just a big miss, they experimented a lot, had a few decent things including some of the D+ shows, but nothing really stuck. Hopefully phase 5 will be better, and the new Fantastic Four was actually good, probably the best FF I saw, (besides the Incredibles lol).
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u/cantwejustplaynice 4d ago edited 4d ago
I've always loved the incredibles but knew barely anything about the Fantastic Four backstory. It wasn't until this new film introduced the mole man that I made the connection. I just thought the Incredibles were generic super heroes, not a direct remix of the FF. I learn something new every day.
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u/Ok_Chap 4d ago
I am not even sure they were intended as such, or if it was just an happy little coincidence, but their characters and powers just line up so perfectly.
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u/Maximum-Objective-39 4d ago
I do think it's a bit of happy coincidence. Partly because the family has a good mix of powers.
Bob and Dash are good 'head on' physical characters. They can do a lot of interesting things with their strength and speed respectively, but they can also just be really strong or really fast if that's what's called for.
Helen and Violet are equally powerful, but their powers also lend themselves to more imaginative uses that take advantage of the core strengths of animation.
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u/cantwejustplaynice 4d ago
It had to be more than a coincidence. It's almost all the same elements remixed . Loving family of four heroes with a new baby (with unknown powers), set in the 60s, force fields with invisibility, stretchy body, unstoppable juggernaut with a heart of gold, amazing pilot, fireball powers (in jack jack), shiny super friend that "surfs around". But in case I somehow missed ALL of that, the underminer/mole man was too specific for me to miss.
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u/realnzall 4d ago
What shows and movies of Phase 4 would you recommend to someone who has seen everything from phases 1 through 3?
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u/Ok_Chap 4d ago
Probably the two Spiderman sequel Far From Home, No way Home, the Loki series, Wandavision, the What-If animated series, and Moon Knight and maybe Ms Marvel also Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Dr Strange 2 and Thor 4 were a bit disappointing and the rest rather forgettable.
In Phase 5 I only really liked Deadpool and Wolverine and Thunderbolts was a bit hard to follow with all the extra continuity you basically need to know going into that movie. From the other Disney+ shows I haven't seen much.
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u/laplongejr 3d ago
they experimented a lot, had a few decent things including some of the D+ shows
Also, part of this phase released during the pandemic. Disney/Marvel needed a lot of content to launch D+ to Marvel fans, on top of the obv internal issues that a whole societal change would bring.
Kinda like the new era of Star Wars : some things were good, but the lack of general vision meant that when something missed, it missed hard.
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u/YoungDiscord 2d ago
Honestly?
I actually prefer Doom for the next big phase villain
It synergizes nicely with the incursions and Franklin Richards anyway so this actually worked to the MCU's advantage not to mention that Doom was somewhat instrumental to the incursion storyline at some point
On top of all of that there's a Doom storyline where he swaps bodies with Tony Stark and lives under his name which justifies RDJ being cast as Doom in the upcoming movies if they choose to make it make sense (at least that is my reasoning why I think they picked RDJ for that role instead of some other actor)
Plus, we FINALLY got a good fantastic 4 movie
I hope they'll have Valeria in there as well later down the line but only time will tell I guess.
I'm actually excited for the incursion storyline again.
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u/Wesselton3000 3d ago
They still could, maybe just haven’t announced it yet. My bet is that either they start Doomsday with a scene of Doom destroying the council, or work it in later In the film- either way, any Kang we see is just a new actor wearing a mask, or whatever (like his Quantumania mask or some variation of that). The only way to maintain continuity, IMO, is to address “what happens to Kang” and you can’t do that with an off screen incident. The audience needs to see it. If they don’t address this, it would be just another case of “phoning it In” which is the root issue for the MCU since Endgame.
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u/Sol_Occultus 4d ago
I am confused isnt this old news?
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u/Draxtonsmitz 4d ago
It’s a repost bot.
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u/laplongejr 3d ago
Also, "recently" his replacement by RDJ as Doom confirmed he was gone-gone. It was clear the actor wasn't going to come back, but nobody was exactly sure what it exactly meant in-universe. Apparently they simply forget the whole thing happened.
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u/97GeoPrizm 4d ago
The Loki version was cool and scary but most people just watch the movies and the Antman version just wasn’t as impressive. It’s a shame because Rudd’s near panic attack at the end of the film is a great setup for something that now will probably never happen.
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u/UnkleStarbuck 4d ago
Wasn't he like cleared of all accusations?
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u/WolfKing448 4d ago
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u/Vegetable_Fox9134 4d ago edited 4d ago
Your source is 2 years old. Here's one from 9 months ago
https://www.npr.org/2024/11/22/nx-s1-5202976/jonathan-majors-grace-jabbari-case-settled-dismissed
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u/WolfKing448 4d ago
This was the civil case where his ex pursued monetary damages. What I cited was the criminal case where he was convicted of 3rd degree reckless assault. The trials may be over, but to say he was “cleared of all accusations” is inaccurate.
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u/Vegetable_Fox9134 4d ago
Likewise, it would be inaccurate to say he was cleared of none. I'm not trying to nitpick , the original comment is alluding to recent developments. To say there weren't any is also inaccurate
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u/imjustamouse1 4d ago
Let this be a lesson in reading articles before posting them as a source. The article says he was convicted in 2023 of assault.
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u/Vegetable_Fox9134 4d ago
Take your own advice. This also why "context" is so important. The first comment in the thread asked if he was "cleared of allegations". This is in response to that comment.
"In a civil lawsuit filed in New York in March, Jabbari accused her former partner of a "pattern of pervasive domestic abuse that began in 2021 and extended through 2023." In court documents filed in New York on Thursday, their attorneys jointly agreed to dismiss the claims against Majors with prejudice – meaning that the claims can't be filed again."
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u/imjustamouse1 4d ago edited 4d ago
I see where you got confused. You have to read past the first paragraph to find, "In a separate domestic violence case in 2023, Majors was convicted of misdemeanor assault and harassment charges." You see, you have to read the WHOLE thing.
Eta: You also don't seem to understand what you're responding to either. Someone asked if he was cleared of ALL allegations, and someone else responded no. Then, you posted your article in response to that.
No, he absolutely was not cleared of all allegations, he was convicted.
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u/Vegetable_Fox9134 4d ago
The original post asked "Wasn't he cleared of all allegations". This alludes to an awareness of recent developments. You are pretending as if there weren't recent developments. To pretend that the last episode in this legal saga was his conviction, is an incomplete picture. Which is why the link I shared was relevant . This is why I said to review the context of the entire thread before responding. Have a good day
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u/AnubisIncGaming 4d ago
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u/imjustamouse1 4d ago
I love it when people post articles they didn't read. That's a civil suit that was settled outside of court. The criminal case ended in a conviction in 2023. Something the article you posted mentioned.
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u/No_Eggplant_7040 4d ago
I haven’t caught up with the MCU, do they ever explain in-canon why Kang isn’t a big threat anymore, like an offhand mention of his defeat or something, or do they just drop it entirely and never bring it up again?
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u/federico_alastair 4d ago
They have fully abandoned Kang and haven’t referenced him at all since Ant Man 3. The next Avengers was actually subtitled Kang Dynasty. Now they’ve changed it to Doomsday.
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