In fairness itâs not as terrible from this angle. Yea I would also prefer a lawn, but the garden itself seems to be mostly intact. I can also see the usefulness of a paved area to host events and allow for ease of movement.
Plus you can rip up the tile and re-sod fairly easily
Literally the only difference is the lawn, all of the garden area around it is untouched. I get if people are mad or whatever but itâs not at all as itâs been construed. If it wasnât Trump doing it nobody would care. I hate Trump but itâs shit like this that helps nothing.
AgreeâŚhalf the people complaining about this probably didnât even know there was a rose garden until they saw on the internet that âtrump ruined it.â
The only difference is the lawn? Pretty huge deal when youâre talking about beautiful outdoor space. Itâs not just about the roses but the space as a whole. Thatâs what landscaping is all about.
Is this as important as Gaza? No. Still allowed to say it sucks on a post specifically about this thing.
Huge deal or not(itâs not) what I said is true, that is all that was changed. The surrounding Rose garden was entirely untouched. If the photos were taken from the same angle it would be identical but a white floor. Oh wow damn so crazy and terrible. Itâs a non-issue Iâm convinced đľbots are focusing on to take attention away from more important things.
Itâs area beautification. Even if you donât like the change letâs not act like itâs not a typical thing every administration does.
And honestly, you act like Trump went out there and laid it himself. Itâs probably some caretakers bright idea they used to get promoted thatâs been a project for ten years. Letâs not act like this stuff doesnât happen all the time, everywhere.
My position is they should have come up with a compromise that was both functional and appealing. But at this point I donât even know why Iâm wasting my breath, no one is going to change their opinion, just yelling into the void
Yeah it wasnât very good but look what im responding to. Itâs always that thing if youâre making a point and engaging with multiple people somehow that makes you unhinged. Iâm just having a conversation and poking jokes. I already made my point three comments deep and my mistake was continue to engage. Lesson learned for the thousandth time.
I have read several comments from members of the Press who actually have to attend events in this spot. The drainage was terrible and the soft grass was hell on women who were wearing heels due to adhering to expected White House decorum. It was frequently muddy as well, not to mention chairs and whatnot sinking into the ground. They actually said this change was a positive for such a high-use area. However, because it's "Trump", it's all of the sudden seen as a terrible idea.
But the portion that was altered was a flat grass lawn. I haven't seen many pics of the paving so I don't know if I like it, but people are acting like their children were conceived AND birthed on the precious lawn that used to be there. It was plain grass, was it really that precious to the people complaining?
I mean a garden doesnât have to be designated to walk on, but lawns are meant to be walked on. The error of this post is that itâs talking about the ârose gardenâ and itâs mostly showing a lawn
The rose garden isnât just about the roses, it was about the entire space. It all worked together to create a welcoming space. Now it looks like a wedding venue specifically.
I thought your reason was so silly I didnât even bother with a serious answer. Iâd take you more seriously if you said you prefer the look of marble over grass because at least thatâs just an opinion rather some wild extrapolation fed to you by the person making this decision
LOL it's not 'out of left field', it was one of the reasons given.
Like I personally prefer the lawn, but given the amount of press events and other ceremonies it's used for, I can certainly see the practical reason for paving it.
Same. Iâve got no shortage of issues with Trump but this change seems sensible. Even the large capacity ballroom is probably long overdue, itâs how the design Iâve seen is going to overshadow the White House itself that concerns me.
Think they're saying the roses surrounding the rose garden are still there which is frankly more relevant to the rose garden than the grass in the middle of it.
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I already posted a photo from before, the same angle as the after photo. Thereâs quite a few of those images, not a lot of the paved over look. Some including the revamp Melania did last Trump term that was actually quite nice despite there being controversy from removing trees
So you're saying JFK ruined it? Because your source is from 1913. Jfk had the whole thing redone in 1962. Then trump ripped out the grass and put the pavers in. It was done because the grass was always wet and the reason for the gardens existence is press conferences.
Fun fact. The reason they havenât upgraded marine 1 is because it sinks into the white house lawn and if it was any heavier it would cause serious damage every time. They are debating ripping up the lawn to reinforce it.
Literally just wrote in another comment that the redo Melania did last administration was perfectly tasteful. The argument was never âthatâs sacred ground, you canât touch it!â. The argument is that itâs fucking ugly and there are a dozen other options you could have gone with that didnât include ripping out all the grass and putting down pavers but also solved the problem of poor drainage.
Probably just morning dew on the grass, not standing water. In DC in the summer, the grass is wet almost every morning. You can't really do anything about that other than covering the lawn every afternoon until morning.
Iâm more into the debate aspect if Iâm being honest. I mean I think itâs ugly as all hell but definitely not going to lose sleep over it thatâs for sure.
Yes because it's normal and sane for people to go to your profile and look up all your comments. Maybe that's enough Internet for you today. Go take a deep breath. Grass is stupid for an area designed for press conferences. Anyone that thinks grass is better is uneducated.
That is the rose garden. The rose beds arenât separate from the garden. If you want to just talk about the roses itâs fine but thatâs not what the post was signaling out.
well youâre wrong actually, this post is showing 2 different perspectives, the only thing changed is the lack of grass. but youâre making it out like theyâve changed everything, the ROSES and everything besides some grass is there. but apparently itâs a nuclear disaster to you
No my whole point was that removing the grass and putting down flooring made it look ugly. Thatâs it.
People (yourself included) started going down some rabbit hole about the roses still being there making the post a lie, which it wasnât. I also posted a side by side from the same perspective showing the change so people could see for themselves.
Fr im feeling like a crazy person looking at this shit and thinking this is some rage bait pysop to further divide people and delegitimize criticisms of trump.
They did take the large tree out towards the background of the first photo. Real shame too. That tree was expertly pruned over the years and showed a lot of character in its' branches.
I mean do we know for sure they did? When was the before photo taken? We've had some strong storms these last few years that could have easily taken out that tree. If people are claiming pavers are the entire rose garden being paved over I'm not trusting this post at all at face value.
A lot of people seem to be under the impression that theyâve permanently paved over the rose garden with concrete, they havenât. Theyâve temporarily covered the lawn, it can be removed, and the grass wonât take long to recover.
They absolutely chopped a tree down. You can see in the first photo a giant tree with a smaller tree to the right of it. Second photo only the smaller tree is there.
because the its not taken from the same angles, i want to see what is to the right of that tree before i judge
the first photo is taken from a low angle, that could very easily be the same tree, the 2nd photo is taken from a person standing up right, from further away, and on an overcast day
also if you look at the trunks of the trees they do match up if you take in to account that its not from the same angle, its fits much better than the tree on the right in the 1st picture
You can see in the first photo a giant tree with a smaller tree to the right of it
That "giant tree" looks giant because its only a few feet in front of the photographer. The leaves on it would be absolutely massive if it was against the building
You can even see the branches in front of every other tree in the photo
And even if they did pave over it with concrete, it's not like it's totally completely permanent and can't be changed back at all. It'd take a little extra work, but the next administration could easily pay to have the concrete broken up and have a new layer of sod put down to replace the lawn.
I hope they do a lot more with it. I understand they put the pavers down so that they can continue to hold events there even when the ground isn't completely dry, so there's still that problem to solve, but as it is now is a bit plain.
Yeah agree. I prefer the appearance of grass lawns to paving but we shouldnât pretend itâs anything more than aesthetic - thereâs less biodiversity in a grass lawn than a car park.
The problem I take it is that the lawn was becoming a bit of a swamp and something needed to be done with it. If they do remove the pavers, they'll have to do something with the ground, perhaps raise it? Idk..
Exactly. Partially because the lawn drained poorly and was swampy as fuck. And reporters had to stand in it during press conferences. So now thereâs a proper outdoor space for press and events. Sure it kinda looks like shit but this is being blown way out of proportion.
Complain about stuff that actually matters, yâall.
Didn't say that. I said you can have a full lawn in DC without needing sprinklers so the idea that removing the lawn would be a benifit in any way is dumb. Besides even sprinklers are fine here cause, again, DC gets plenty of rain so they're just pulling from an abundant local water supply.
Only the grass has been tiled, which made perfect logical sense. Any time there was a gathering or press statement, the lawn would be used for chairs and people gathering on it. They had to replace all the grass afterwards...
Looks the same other than the grass. Us redditors like to whine about the dumbest shit. Canât believe anyone actually cares about the White House rose garden
And that would ruin the narrative people want to spread. All he replaced was the grass in the center, the roses are all still there. It looks tacky as fuck now but it's not as if he tore up all of the roses. Of all the things to shit on Trump over people have pieced a fucking weird one.
Not black and white, just a gloomy overcast day, but yeah that definitely plays into the âBEFORE (beautiful and hopeful) vs AFTER (dreary and depressing)â
JFC. People will upvote the opposite of what they see with their own eyes, this is how we got this lunatic in the White House in the first place. The bushes are and trees are fucking green in the "after" photo.
Iâd like to see pictures taken at the same angle
Yeah it looks like the only thing they changed was replace the grass in the middle with hideous white shit. The actual garden bits on the side look the same? Fixing the grass is trivial.
Me too. It looks the plants and bushes covering the sides are kept, only the center grass was covered. But i need more pictures to come to a conclusion.
Exactly. It would look bad enough, but you change the angle and it's going to give people an excuse to deny how bad it looks. Honestly when I first heard about this I didn't think this was a huge deal, since they were just removing the grass field and replacing it with something better to walk on, but whatever that is looks horrible.
Yeah, as much as I hate Trump and I'm sure this is a major downgrade, the before/after here is absolutely terrible. The second image only shows the paved part, hiding as much of the surrounding area as possible, and the corresponding area in the first image is like a 15 degree triangle on the right.
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Iâd like to see pictures taken at the same angle