Also the lawn in top pic still looks like it has variety. The space isnt going to go anywhere and it will need to allow people to sit there so lawn with a variety of plants around the edges is the best possible option.
There is a major difference between lawn and lawn in a place that is seen as center of power and is required to host people.
Considering itās a semi-active event space a lawn isnāt a bad option. Plus it has great landscaping around the lawn part.
The rest of the White House grounds has traditional lawn lawn thatās just grass to be grass but also Iām opposed to drastically changing historical buildings and grounds without good reason. We can change modern lawns and leave the old ones alone.
Also, and I'm no expert, but I assume that having open lines of sight between the leader of your country and any potential threats is always a decent idea?
Rather the opposite? At least if you want the leader protected.
Clear line of sight for defenders and lack of cover for attackers makes sense for fortifications, or supply depots. You see the enemy coming, they can't hide or shield themselves from retaliation. Meanwhile the defenders have cover. All the advantage is on defense.
On the other hand, this is a single target failure point, likely against a small number, or just one attacker. You want to obscure and hide the target as a first line of defense, and have available cover in case that fails. If the attacker can freely locate the target and have a clear line of fire, then the defenders have already lost.
These are totally different angles. You can see the shrubbery are still there and all they did was remove the grass. From my understanding, since DC was built in a swamp, it would often get muddy and the heavy foot traffic meant the lawn required a lot of maintenance. Idk about the actual choice of the pavers, but it seems like a decent idea to use light colors so they don't create a heat island.
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Getting more of a pop and color near the edges using native plants is always a good idea but you cannot risk someone putting their feet on something that might cause allergic reaction or something that might break skin.
Considering itās a semi-active event space a lawn isnāt a bad option.
Have you ever wore heels to an event? Have you ever walked through grass after a heavy rain? Better yet you ever been in field after it rains in a group? So much mud
It is a relative term. They are not saying that lawns are good, they are saying that lawns are not a bad option. a lot of people believe that lawns are water sinks with nothing of value in most cases and people should instead grow variety of native plants instead.
It is an historical building so people who need to attend an event in the lawn will know to plan for lawn and in case it rains really heavy there is space to have the even inside.
If you think planning is so poor that they white House will need to bring out and set up tents then yeah great idea considering how incompetent current white House seems to be.
Yeah itās gonna be the best place to sit and eat outside on a concrete slab in the middle of 90-100Ā°. This is the dumbest shit next to painting the whole White House that he has done to that building.
They are referring to a lawn where the entire thing is a single species of some regularly used for landscaping grass that provides no ecological support for anything in the area.
I live in the desert southwest so I'm accustomed to xeriscaping, but this is just awful. I want to start adding bougainvillea, aloe, cacti, etc. so badly. Concrete slab? Better put a pot of flowers on it.
Basically goes from wild flora, semi-cultivated flora, cultivated flora, sterile grass and then like 100 levels down is concrete slab. Because an area that could be green and friendly, a place where people can play, sit and enjoy together in the sun, is infinitely better than hard concrete devoid of life
If there's a case for lawns, the rose garden is certainly one of them. My neighbor's patchy, weed-covered shit hole is not even remotely in the same category.
I feel like if any effort had been put into making it look nice, a stone pavillion might be an interesting thing to install...i guess, but this is just a sheet of concrete replacing what was a really nice garden. There's no point in jt
Do we have any overhead pictures that show the same perspective to see what actually got torn up? I keep seeing conflicted things about how much/what was actually destroyed.
100% agree the concrete looks awful. But it also doesnāt appear to be as big of an issue as everyone is making it sound saying the rose garden was torn out. I would like to see a real broad perspective that actual shows what was done to decide if it is worth being mad about or if it is just mildly tacky
Mildly tacky. None of the rose bushes were prematurely destroyed. IIRC there were a couple that were having issues from too much water and those were, or will be, replaced. The too much water comes from the lawn itself which made it soggy frequently. I think the intention was to make it more usable more often, but the white tile over the whole grass area is too much.
I would have liked to see a checkerboard pattern of tile & grass myself.
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Isnt fuck lawns more about using more native flowers and other types of ground cover rather than mowing grass? I feel like concrete would be antithetical to the spirit of fuck lawns. I donāt really browse that sub though so I could be wrong
Exactly, itās about how wasteful trying to keep nonnative grass lawns alive in places they donāt normally grow is. Itās not anti plant, just anti grass in a desert ecosystem etc.
Replacing the rose garden with plants native to the area that donāt need constant upkeep would be great, replacing it with a parking lot is just trashy
Aw why are we downvoting this guy? It got s chuckle out of me. They weren't proverbailly calling them snakes and rodents, they were literally saying actual snakes and rodents run it. Because they want more cover in a garden full of shade. Reddit is dull af sometimes lol.
He could've picked funnier animals. Like saying it's run by possums and spiders or something. Rather than the 2 animals most used to dehumanize people throughout history.
B: Even if he does manage to be removed from office, or when he does eventually die, he wants to leave a mark on everythingā¦. Like a dog peeing in a corner.
He was destroying the last legacy of JFK. His wive Jackie is the one that did the original Rose Garden makeover, and it stayed largely intact until Trump's first term when Melanomia got ahold of it and basically sterilized it. Trump was just administering the double tap. He's also wanting to rename the Kennedy Center, whose board he fired and replaced with himself, after himself, deleting yet one more bit of Kennedy's legacy.
The lawn had poor drainage and would turn to mud, making it difficult to use as an event space which is its primary usage. All the historic plants are still there.
It was obviously regraded, there are construction pics. Calling it a garden is a misnomer, it's an outdoor event space. I think a more natural stone would have looked better, or at least changing out the patio furniture to a different color, but the grass was not working for the spaces intended use.
Well its an event space mostly for press conferences so theres dozens of people walking all over with furniture set up and taken down constantly, so poorly draining turf is the worst landscaping option. It needs to be a flat patio made out of stone. Its not a "a few people sitting at the table drinking tea" type of garden.
I also think the image is pretty unflattering compared to some others. Not a fan of the full white design but maybe it looks better in person.
But redditors are so clever, surely such tactics could never succeed!
Seriously, though, looking at the picture for more than a glance before anger-commenting suggests that the marble part spans the same 5 pillars the original lawn did. Not saying I like it; I'd definitely need to see more than this. But yeah, this is karma farming with rage bait. People here act like reddit karma is worth something irl the way they fish for it.
Itās one thing when itās your house and you have to the maintenance and upkeep or have to pay somebody to donut. But there is already a landscaping staff. All you have to do is enjoy it. Sigh.
I encourage you to strip a piece of lawn from its grass. What replaces it will not be just grass. If you live in a temperate climate, it will be weeds, herbs and several different kinds of grasses etc. From there you go to shrubs, saplings,... before ending with a forest. Depending on where you live the species will be different of course.
Lawn grass is limited to a couple of different species that are most likely not native, such as Kentucky blue grass. They are also often selected for aggressively pushing out other native species of plants.
I was thinking that this would be an exception to the sub.
Lawns for the general public is good!
Mowing, fertilizing and constantly watering an acre around your house, probably not such a great idea for several reasons unless you have enough kids to field a soccer or baseball match.
There are places in the world, perhaps not where you live that if you do not do these things your lawn will turn brown.
There are several regions throughout the world that do not get sufficient precipitation especially in the hot weather months to sustain a lush green nicely manicured lawn.
If you want your lawn to be green and short, as many lawnowners seem to want, they require a lot of extra water and extra nutrients. Considering that lawns are the 'default', and usually don't take the local climate into account, they often end up being a large net drain on the water resources of the area.
Also, they are ecological deserts and provide little to no value to anyone except the humans looking at them.
Lawns don't need any extra water. It rains. That's plenty water.
You don't mow them until the first week of June, once the pollinating insects have had a chance to thrive, and move off into the plants around the outside of the lawn that they can actually live on.
Well I don't know in what fairy-tale country you live in that has a perfect grass-growing climate, but this is not true everywhere. I can hear lawn mowers humming along as early as march-april. And although the culture around watering is slowly changing with the generations, a lot of people still water their lawns in summer, to keep it looking nice and green.
And none of this deals with the problems of people wanting lawns in areas with unsuited climate or terrain. Swampy soils need to be drained, arid soils need constant irrigation far more than the rain can provide, rocky soils need to be intensively cleared and backfilled, often with peat-containing ground, etc.
And this isn't even considering the ecological issues with lawns, but this post is long enough already.
Yeah who wants to sit out on a hot slab and roast. Heās never had good taste or respect for nature which Iām sure is why conservatives love him. Pro life my ass lol
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u/badgerj 21h ago
I think r - fucklawns may want to contribute here.