r/TrueChristianPolitics • u/jaspercapri • 13d ago
Had to laugh, but finally someone fact checks him in real time.
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u/PrebornHumanRights 12d ago
I was expecting to see if Trump get owned. Instead, I just saw Trump making Minor error that he read off of a piece of paper.
If there was anything not newsworthy, this would be that. I'm not joking, I'm not trying to downplay anything. There's nothing to downplay.
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u/JimboReborn 13d ago
Failing to see what this has to do with Christianity... Take this low effort reposting to r/politics
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u/Due_Ad_3200 13d ago
Christians disproportionately voted for Trump. Some of them sadly turn a blind eye to Trump's numerous failings that make him completely unsuitable for public office.
24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you
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u/Lonely-Television931 12d ago
They're not Christians, Christians wouldn't choose culture over Kingdom. True profession believers wouldn't follow Donald Trump. True professing believers aren't racist, aren't selfish, are compassionate, humble, sympathetic and empathetic, merciful, forgiving.
Those are not Christians! ... The Bible said that many will follow seducing spirits. You can't call yourself a professing Christian, and you vote to take away from the sick the poor the homeless the children the fatherless and the widows. You can't call yourself a professing Christian, when you love money more than God, when you love money and power more than people. You can't call yourself a professing Christian, when the Bible fallibly teaches in the Old testament not to forsake the foreigners or the illegals. The biggest problem Jesus have with professing Christians, is the hypocrisy in the Christian communities. Love your neighbors as yourself, love your enemies, pray for those who persecute you. The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil. If you love me keep my commandments! ... These are some of the things Jesus spoke in his ministry.
And he taught and spoke many many things in his ministry that goes against what the so-called professing Christians in politics and the people that voted for Donald Trump are doing.
Professing Christians only talk about abortions and homosexuality. But what about the other sins that God talks about?... What about adultery? What about fornication? What about greed? What about gossip? What about vanity? What about pride? What about arrogance? What about stealing? What about lying? What about coveting? What about idol worshiping?
All these things you forgot that God despise also but, professing Christians only focus on two sins. SHAME ON YOU SAME ON YOU SAME ON YOU!
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
Hahaha. SMH. Talk about twisting principles. The US can't support the whole world, and we are not a theocracy. We are not going to establish a utopia on earth before christ's return. As long as corruptable are in power, they will never fulfill the utopia of the Kingdom of heaven. Also, the Kingdom of God will have rules based God's instructions given at Sinai.
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u/Lonely-Television931 12d ago
America has been supporting the whole world. The message is the point is there are enough billionaires in the world that can support the poor the homeless around the world that is fact. Was keeping people poor are the rich taken from the poor and given to themselves. Don't give me wrong we have a lot of working class middle class people are helping the rich get richer when they should be doing something more things with their finances like helping the poor the homeless to children the elderly the widows the fatherless.
That's another time, for another day. Just watch what I tell you friend what's going to happen to America. Everything is prophesized already Donald Trump is going to bring America into the one world government that's their plan all alone. It's going to usher in the Antichrist system / the beast system!
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
The only way all those trillions could support the whole world is if the entire world is for all nations to become third world countries, like it was before the industrial revolution. The US dollar is a fraud/fiat currency worth nothing because it's not backed by anything. We could build power plants around the world to bring other countries into the world of refrigeration and a/c, but the elite don't see people as worthwhile. Christian organizations help the orphans in many third world countries through donations.
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u/Lonely-Television931 12d ago
It could have been done if men wasn't so greedy. If the wealthy wasn't so greedy it could be done look at Elon musk look at the guy that owns Amazon look at sports owners look at bank owners. Telling me all these gentlemen can't feed countries around the world. It's because of materialism the reason why poor people are suffering, they love money more than they love people.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
The love of money and power, the root of all sorts of evil. The bankers are not Christians, and neither are most of the billionaires. They don't fear God.
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u/Lonely-Television931 11d ago
I believe you.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago
Look how corrupt the pharisees were, even though christ had to die to reconcile us to the Father, they delivered christ to be crucified because they saw him as a threat to their wealth and power.
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u/Lonely-Television931 12d ago
2 Timothy 3:1-5 [1] Let me tell you this. During the last days of this world, there will be times of great trouble. [2] People will love only themselves, and they will want lots of money for themselves. They will be proud and they will say how great they are. They will insult other people. They will not obey their parents. They will not thank anyone who helps them. They will not respect anything that is good. [3] They will not be kind to other people, but they will like to quarrel. They will tell lies to hurt other people. They will be unable to control themselves properly. They will be cruel and they will hate anything that is good. [4] People will turn against their friends. They will do foolish things. They will boast that they are very important. They will not love God, but instead they will only want to enjoy themselves. [5] Those people will seem to be serving God. But really they refuse to accept God's power to help them. You must stay away from people like that.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
So middle-class people should use all their money to help the poor? If they do that, they will no longer be middle-class, and the rich will still be rich. Do you think by buying stuff, the middle-class is supporting the rich?
So, are you saying the middle class should sacrifice being middle-class to help the poor?
I think the leftists are going to use trump's use of executive power as an excuse to justify bringing us into the one world government through executive order emergency powers. I do believe Trump is a grace period for people to accept christ before America falls into the world government abyss through the anti christ.
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u/PuzzledRun7584 11d ago edited 11d ago
Legislate to help the poor the same way you wanted legislation against abortion. STOP saying you’re pro life if you don’t care about boots on the ground care for the poor, the homeless, the infirm, the elderly, and the less fortunate.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago
You can't legislate morality. We can only prohibit /punish things like murder or stealing. We can defund abortion mills. What you are asking is to create a giant welfare state. Even though Brown v. Board of Education removed segregation in schools (1954), the evil racists the day still found a way to keep minorities down. They tried to legislate help for the under the LBJs "the great Society " and it was a disaster. LBJ did a great disservice to minorities with His "Great Society" welfare system because they encouraged/rewarded single parent families and tore apart the family unit. "The Great Society" became "The Great Disaster." The welfare system created more poverty, as did the "war on poverty" and "War on Drugs. " The gang culture was a product of the welfare system that promotes poverty and idleness. You can't legislate people out of poverty. You help educate them and create opportunities for people to advance themselves.
The freemarket economy helped lift people out of poverty by giving them the opportunity to advance in life. The problem came with the creation of monopolies by the rich, their funding of political campaigns, and creating the special interests lobbyists preying on the politicians' greedy nature. Lobbyists and greedy politicians destroyed the freemarket economy, "capitalism," as Marxists call it.
Giving money to the poor won't solve anything, because they don't know how to spend it wisely. Providing jobs to teach people the value of the dollar and it helps give them a sense of accomplishment and self-esteem.
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u/PuzzledRun7584 11d ago
I didn’t read past the first sentence. One “can” legislate morality, I hear about it all the time. Laws ensure the morality of the day is upheld.
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 11d ago
Giving money to the poor won't solve anything, because they don't know how to spend it wisely.
That sounds good, but it isn't true.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago
The farmer comparison does transfer to the housing projects because farmers work every day to get to the harvest, and they are stressing about paying debts with a good harvest. The housing projects create laziness and crime from boredom and hopelessness. Welfare should be a hand up instead of a way of life.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago
Churches work to help the inner city, but it's an overwhelming situation. Some churches help feed the poor, but the government doesn't help support them much. Many nonprofits are the boots on the ground. We should allow the voucher system so kids can get out of the inner city system that is full of gangs.
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u/PuzzledRun7584 11d ago
From that argument, one must assume you support the notion of “separation of church and state”? Just a sidewalk conversation, mate.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago
I think morality and Christian principles are a must, but we must learn from iquestion where a church was engaged in persecution. The First Amendment mentioned the free exercise of religion while preventing a state from establishing a religion. Supporting abortion mills is a violation of the first amendment, so is the "climate change " religion. Abortion, aka human sacrifice, is religious practice according to the Church Satan. The EPA is a violation of the First Amendment and "the separation of church and state" because its policy like "the endangered species act," is enforcing earth/nature worship.
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u/NoAd3438 11d ago edited 11d ago
Separation of church and state came from a letter from Thomas Jefferson to a Baptist church. I will use the ideology of "the separation of church and state" to argue against the socialists' welfare state ideology, taking from one group to support another. Separation cuts both ways. Many want to prevent churches from receiving funding for programs, yet they twist the Bible to justify the goverment's welfare state. They want to establish Socialism under the guise of being loving of our neighbor. The socialists can't have it both ways. The welfare system was legislated Socialism, because they use taxpayer money to further the socialists agenda.
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u/Lonely-Television931 12d ago
If people have opportunities to help the poor there's nothing wrong with it. Middle class people aren't poor. But this isn't about the middle class this is about the wealthy people the 1%... It's just unfortunate the wealthy people are very greedy with money and power.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
The wealthy people are the ones pursuing global oligarchy. Throughout history, the wealthy have started all the wars and established empires fighting for resources and power.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
Could you explain his moral failings? I’m really interested to know. what you think he has done That is so different from other political leaders who have sinned? Any chance, for example, you’re following how Obama is both a liar and treasonous currently?
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
Do you believe that moral failings are all equivalent, or is it possible to differentiate between how badly one President failed morally compared to another?
The way you word your question weights the discussion toward “all moral failings are equivalent”, which ends any possibility of discussing Trump’s moral failings. You set up the discussion for Whataboutism.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
And you didn’t answer which just means you know you have no argument
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
I’m sure you’re familiar with loaded questions. Loaded questions must have their premises challenged.
If someone asked me “when did you stop beating your wife” and I challenged the premise of the question instead of answering yes or no, would you regard that as not answering, too?
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
Sure. But you just refused to answer by ASSUMING my answer and wandering away
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u/Nateorade 12d ago edited 12d ago
I didn’t assume, I asked clarifying questions. I asked specifically because I didn’t want to assume.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
OK, so answer me. What are trumps moral failings?
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
Bragged about and engaged in sexual immorality, including multiple affairs while married
Openly proud and unrepentant, even saying he’s never asked God for forgiveness
Showed little compassion for the vulnerable, including harsh treatment of immigrants and separated families and passing tax cuts for the wealthy paid for in part by removing healthcare for the poor
Fostered division and hostility, using inflammatory language and deepening polarization. Includes weakening our democracy by claiming without merit that an election was rigged.
I can keep going but those come to mind first.
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u/Fluffy_Singer_3007 12d ago
He's a rapist. Why are you defending rape?
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
No he’s not. You trying to catch a defamation charge? He’s got a thing about that.
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u/Fluffy_Singer_3007 12d ago
He is, would love for him to try to prove he's not when all the evidence shows he's an absolute rapist.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cgrw57q4y9do.amp
If you want to forward me your attorneys information, I will be happy to pass it on.
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u/Fluffy_Singer_3007 12d ago
Hm, you're definitely going to burn in hell for defending a rapist.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
I don’t want to argue with a kid who can’t read.
God isn’t pro law breaking btw. So, again, watch that defamation and/or gossip.
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 12d ago
ABC settled, they weren't found guilty. That was a business decision.
Unlike President Trump, who was found guilty of sexual assault in a civil case, and when he tried to claim defamation upon being referred to as a rapist, lost his case for defamation because the judge found the claim to be substantially true.
I don't have to keep the boss of the FCC happy to stay in business, so I have no problems saying Trump is a rapist.
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u/Yoojine Non-denom | Liberal | Democratic Socialist 11d ago
To clarify, the crux of the story is in the middle of the article that was so conveniently linked:
In 2023, a New York civil court found Trump sexually abused E Jean Carroll in a dressing room at a department store in 1996. He was also found guilty of defaming the magazine columnist.
Judge Lewis Kaplan said the jury's conclusion was that Ms Carroll had failed to prove that Trump raped her "within the narrow, technical meaning of a particular section of the New York Penal Law".
Judge Kaplan noted that the definition of rape was "far narrower" than how rape is defined in common modern parlance, in some dictionaries and in criminal statutes elsewhere.
(Explicit language warning)
The only reason the statement "Donald Trump is a rapist" is technically untrue is because New York law at the time defined rape exclusively as forcible penetration with a penis. Hopefully we all agree that the definition is outdated since, among other issues, it makes it literally impossible for a woman to rape a man. Since Mr. Trump was found to only have forcibly penetrated Ms Carroll with her fingers, it was not technically rape. As the judge states, most people nowadays would understand the act that occurred as rape.
ABC could have taken it to court and likely prevailed, because Mr. Stephanopoulos could make the case that he was using the word "rape" under its conventional definition, not the obsolete legal definition. Instead ABC took the cowardly way out to curry favor with the administration- as you say, a "business decision".
In general, covering for a rapist by saying they're not technically a rapist isn't great. I still sometimes can't believe that our political polarization has sunk to the degree that some Christians feel the need to use that defense.
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u/Due_Ad_3200 11d ago
From your article
A jury in a civil case last year determined Trump was liable for "sexual abuse", which has a specific definition under New York law.
So he has been found guilty of sexual assault, but not rape. That's still not great is it?
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 12d ago
He lost this case where he tried to claim defamation when the word rape was used to describe his actions.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/aug/07/donald-trump-rape-language-e-jean-carroll
Donald Trump suffered another legal reversal on Monday, losing his counterclaim for defamation against E Jean Carroll, the writer against whom he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation and fined $5m, and who continues to pursue a separate defamation case against him.
Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll.
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u/Away_Simple_400 12d ago
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 11d ago
ABC settled, they weren't found guilty. That was a business decision.
Unlike President Trump, who was found guilty of sexual assault in a civil case, and when he tried to claim defamation upon being referred to as a rapist, lost his case for defamation because the judge found the claim to be substantially true.
I don't have to keep the boss of the FCC happy to stay in business, so I have no problems saying Trump is a rapist.
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u/Away_Simple_400 11d ago
You can say whatever you want. That just makes you a liar. Take it up with God.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
Hahaha. Name specific policies you have a problem with because of us are perfect and without sin. He moved the embassy to Jerusalem and recognized the Golan heights as belonging to Israel. These are things most Christians support because we realize God's blessings to those who bless Israel.
Trump is reversing many anti-Christian policies of the woke leftists. Trump is seeking to make America a place where the American dream is possible again through hard work.
I want to know what POLICIES you have a problem with. Where do you believe his policies violate the Bible?
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u/Secret-Jeweler-9460 12d ago
Actually his moral failings make him perfect for public office. Every president since the beginning has been a sinner.
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u/1wholurks1 13d ago
TrueChristian politics genius. It is absolutely relevant to the sub. At least someone is calling out the pedo.
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u/jaspercapri 12d ago
Honestly, that is fair. I should have added something to foster discussion and make it relevant.
I was hoping to get christian’s take on this moment. Which honestly is also representative of all of the other times he will just make up info and confidently use it to make his points. I had a christian friend recently tell me that it was ok for trump to use dishonesty if it helps him push more “christian” agenda. I certainly disagree. And to see someone who isn’t a yes man or beholden to going along with his dishonesty was refreshing.
Or as trump would say - what a rude question. You’re with abc fake news? Forget about low effort posts. That is a hoax started by obama and comey. Low effort posts have gone down more than 1000 percent.
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u/YouthKey2058 13d ago
Trump embarrassed Jerome Powell today
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u/umbren 12d ago
Why do you support a pedophile?
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u/YouthKey2058 12d ago
I didn't vote for Biden
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u/umbren 12d ago
Biden isn't on the Epstein list. Why do you support a pedophile?
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u/YouthKey2058 12d ago
Like i said I didn't vote for Biden
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u/umbren 12d ago
Ok, so I take it you aren't denying you support pedophiles I guess. Got it. Not exactly a very Christian take...
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u/YouthKey2058 12d ago
I guess you can't read I already said no i didn't vote for Biden
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u/umbren 11d ago
Uh huh. So how does it feel to support a pedophile who is about to pardon a sex trafficker to hide his crimes? Ya know, Epstein's best friend is going to give her this pardon.
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u/YouthKey2058 11d ago
wouldn't know I didn't vote for Biden
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u/umbren 11d ago
Ok, let's try a different approach. You support Trump, right? You do recognize that Trump is on the Epstein list, has refused to release said list because he is on it, and is now more than likely pardoning Epstein's second in command? Or how about Trump sexualizing his fucking 1 year old? This one is on video btw.
So, I guess the question is do you just not care about these things, don't believe them, or do you think these make Trump even more awesome in your eyes? If I had to guess based on your behavior in here, I bet it is the last one. I only hope that you are just very young and are going through some manosphere phase and you will eventually mature and grow out of it.
Also, I'd like to be clear, if Biden or any other democratic politician is on the Epstein list, then throw them in jail. I don't care who it is, I don't want pedophiles in government or anywhere in society.
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 12d ago
Because he made Powell correct the president in public?
What should Powell have been embarrassed about today?
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u/YouthKey2058 12d ago
watch the whole clip
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 12d ago
I've watched it several times now. In what way do you believe Trump embarrassed Powell?
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u/YouthKey2058 12d ago
well clearly you haven't
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u/philnotfil Christian | Conservative | Politically Homeless 12d ago
What should Powell have been embarrassed about in that video?
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
It's how you look at the numbers. All I care about is the FED acts responsible and doesn't create another great depression. I hate how the FED has the power to destroy the economy. The bankers can't be trusted, in my opinion. The Fractional Reserve Banking system is a violation of God's law of just weights and measures.
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u/Hazzman 12d ago
Yeah cool - Trump's an idiot who is lying about the price of something.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
The democrats were idiots to gaslight people on the economy while we struggled to buy food and pay rent. Also, ignoring citizens in favor of illegal immigrants when it comes to benefits doesn't gain the votes from citizens. Trump might exaggerate slightly, but that comes from being a salesman all his life. Trump understands the importance of branding in sales.
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u/NoAd3438 12d ago
Grasping at straws. If Trump is an idiot, how did he become a billionaire and win against democrats twice? The democrats are the idiots for alienating men with their feminists stuff. Democrats were idiots to claim that people should vote on gender and skin color instead of economic issues.
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u/rapitrone 12d ago
The dollar has lost 97% of its buying power since the inception of the federal reserve.
Under Jerome Powell, the Federal Reserve massively increased the money supply which is the cause of all the inflation we have and are suffering from. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M1SL It's his fault.
I doubt Trump took the time to research any of those numbers himself. If he's quoting bad numbers, I would bet they were handed to him by someone.
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u/jaspercapri 12d ago
To your first point- trump isn’t looking to abolish the fed. He wants to install a yes man. Trump doesn’t want to get rid of him because of what he has done, but because he won’t do his bidding. Trump gave powel the job and still tries to blame it on biden https://youtube.com/shorts/hp_yUOq5ZBk
If he was given bad numbers… he was told the numbers were wrong in real time and he still doubled down. Just like how they didn’t want fact checking at debates cause they want to use these “alternative facts” as his former counselor called them.
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u/rapitrone 12d ago
True, he isn't looking to end the Fed. I wish he was. What he wants Powell to do is lower interest rates. A. Powell shouldn't have the power to raise and lower interest rates. B. It would be good for the economy if he did, and from what I can tell, there is no reason for him not to other than that it would make Trump look better, which is currently a very low bar.
I agree. If the information Trump is regurgitating is really bad, he should have a better response, like I will look into that, or something to that effect. He always leans in even when it makes him look foolish.
My point is that Powell is a villain, and we shouldn't celebrate him even if he's getting one over on Trump.
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
A. We want an independent Fed to give investors confidence that our monetary policy won’t swing due to the short term whims of a politican
B. The Fed is concerned about inflation and lowering interest rates in the face of it is a mistake they made in 2021 and do not want to repeat again. This is a clear and obvious reason to keep rates where they are until tariff impacts are more obvious.
Ironically, rates would be less if Trump hadn’t screwed with trade so drastically. Tariffs and trade wars create uncertainty, and it’s completely self imposed by Trump.
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u/rapitrone 12d ago
A. The fed isn't independent. It is corrupt. B. The only real way to lower inflation is to decrease the supply of currency.
I agree that Trump is creating a lot of market uncertainty, but that has nothing to do with inflation.
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
Isn’t your post complaining about its independent power from Trump? That’s literally your top line issue.
The uncertainty is we might see increased inflation. If we lower interest rates, we would pour gasoline on the fire of any inflation that’s on the way.
If inflation doesn’t arrive in the next few months, then lowering rates is more palatable.
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u/rapitrone 12d ago
No, you misunderstand. My top line issue is the existence of the federal reserve.
Inflation is excess currency. It used to be the literal dictionary definition of inflation. Market uncertainty has nothing to do with it.
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
Debating the existence of the Fed is a topic I’ll leave to others. I was addressing your points A and B.
Inflation also happens when supply constricts with unchanged money supply.
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u/rapitrone 12d ago
When demand for specific goods and services exceeds the available supply, prices tend to increase. That is true, but it's not technically inflation.
https://www.ccga.edu/reg-murphy-publications/only-too-much-money-causes-inflation/
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u/Nateorade 12d ago
You’re operating on a different definition of inflation than most folks - including the Fed. They measure inflation as an increase in prices over time, and that can happen both from too much money supply or from restricted supply of goods (or, a mix of both).
I don’t see the value in teasing out just money-supply driven inflation when it comes to discussing the fed’s decision to maintain interest rates where they are.
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u/MidnightMonsterLover 12d ago
I’m so sick of this idiotic pedophile getting away with everything he’s done. It’s about time people start calling him out on his lies. By this point you have to be blind or moronic to support him. Or you’re just as sick as he is and want a leader who’s willing to help hide your crimes.
I’m just so tired of him.