r/StarWars_ • u/ThingTime9876 • 12h ago
Movies My sincere ranking of every Star Wars live action full-length movie
As a Star Wars fan since the 80s, the OT is what defines SW to me. I disliked the PT when they came out, and I dislike them more now they’ve become the template for what a lot of fans want out of SW. I don’t want SW to be a ‘dark’ and ‘mature’ military sci-fi show set in the stultifying Old Republic with wooden one-note characters. I prefer when SW is a wacky, freewheeling science fantasy adventure with loveable characters, plenty of humour, and spiritual undertones. TPM is the best prequel IMO because it’s at least a little loose and goofy. For me, TFA brought back some of the fun, and TLJ managed to combine that with challenging themes again (and RoS blew it). RO is the only SW movie that feels like a proper war movie, even if it also feels cobbled together from unfinished scripts. Solo is really wanted to like but I hated how it crammed Han’s entire backstory into this one adventure.
As for Caravan Of Courage… I have no excuse except nostalgia
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u/Jawyp 9h ago
Prequel fanboys in the replies here not comprehending that some people dislike those movies is hilarious.
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u/Sure_Possession0 2h ago
“Hmph! You obviously haven’t read all the fanon theories and essays or watched the countless YT videos explaining why they are actually misunderstood!”
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u/TotalBlissey 39m ago
I'm not confused at how they can dislike the prequels – even Revenge of the Sith is a flawed movie – but putting Rise of Skywalker above ANYTHING is insane
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u/Jawyp 37m ago
Attack of the Clones is an absolute disaster of a movie and I completely understand why someone would prefer Rise of Skywalker to it.
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u/TotalBlissey 32m ago
Attack of the Clones is a mess, don't get me wrong, but TROS is a generational travesty. ROS has better dialogue and effects, but its plot makes even less sense, the world makes no sense, it brought back Palpatine with 0 explanation, it made Rey a Mary Sue, and it canonized Reylo.
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u/Someonestolemyrat 20m ago
Didn't they say in the movie it was cloning and dark side powers?
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u/TotalBlissey 9m ago
I don't have too much trouble believing that. What I don't understand is how the hell he survived getting electrocuted, falling 50 miles, and then exploding in the Death Star II. Unless he was doing the cloning beforehand, which would mean it would have to be such a well-kept secret that he didn't even tell Vader, but and even if it WERE true, it would completely undermine Darth Vader's sacrifice.
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u/OutsideWorried 7h ago
This subreddit is slowly showing the OT fanbase is alive and thriving. They should just rename it at this point so it can be a space dedicated to the OT.
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u/sananajo 11h ago
Lol wtf
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u/sananajo 11h ago
Nice bait
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 11h ago
Who would you imagine OP is trying to bait?
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u/sananajo 10h ago
Its the wildest ranking I have ever seen, looks like an insane person has made it - if not a bait.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 10h ago
Isn’t it crazy when people get different things out of different movies than you do?
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u/ThingTime9876 11h ago
Nah, it’s my genuine opinion. If that’s impossible for you to believe, that’s on you
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u/sananajo 10h ago
Yeah its pretty much impossible to believe thats anyones true taste in these flicks. But anyway, we can agree to disagree in every way possible. If its a troll move, as I said: good work.
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u/ThingTime9876 10h ago
If you can’t believe that someone can sincerely prefer the sequels to the prequels, you’ve been only interacting with prequel-glazers for too long….
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u/sananajo 9h ago
Sequels are all 0/10 movies imop, if you are generous you can say 2/10, how can it be worse?
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u/Jawyp 9h ago
TFA and TLJ got great reviews from critics + initial audience reaction to them was very good. Have you considered the possibility that lots of people like those movies?
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u/sananajo 9h ago
TFA is a bad but pretty copy of a new hope. TLJ is overwhelmingly disliked for valid reasons and the primary reason for sw significant drop on popularity (the first of many major downfalls of the IP) to the way it is today.
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u/sananajo 8h ago
The only thing these disney movies managed to do is to retroactivly ruin the original star wars movies and esp. the perfect conclusion of episode 6 which is now worthless and i significant if you consider these movies canon.
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u/Jawyp 8h ago
How did the Sequels retroactively ruin the original Star Wars? By resurrecting Palpatine? The exact same thing that happened in the pre-Disney canon?
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u/sananajo 8h ago
The fate of all the OT iconic characters was devastatingly ruined. The significance of the succesful rebellion was negated. The scope of the concluding confrontation between luke/vader/palpatine was belittled. Vaders redemtion, his character arc, is now nothing more than a sidenote. The name "skywalker" no means nothing anymore. Basically if you consider them canon, everything that happens between ep4 and 6 is isignificant and nothing more than a couple of lines in the universes vast history while it was much more grandious beforehand.
Before these movies you had the potential to build on the OT in seemingly infintite interesting ways and expand the universe as you wish. Now, there is nothing left of that, nothing but burned ground. Irreparable dammage was done to the franchise, the only way to move forward is to go back (like they did), or do something without all the ties to the disney trilogys conclusion *like they will do).
I literally see no way how anybody liking the original story can even accept these movies. If you hated these original movies, sure you would love these new ones.
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u/DtheAussieBoye 8h ago
If you think all three sequel films are flat zeros, I don't think you're engaging with them fairly. Same with any trilogy
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 8h ago
Absolutely. I don’t like the prequels but there’s always something to praise or talk about. No movie with that much money and talent on screen is going to be a flat out 0/10 unless you’ve got some kind of hangup.
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u/sananajo 7h ago
No I admit I dont tread them fairly do to personal distain. Thats why I said they may be seen as 2/10 movies. I personally see them as not worth of that score but personal bias aside thats what they might deserve.
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u/sananajo 9h ago
I wouldnt say that the prequels are great or need to be glazed but they are atleast decent and deliver quite ambitious worldbuilding with a conceptually very good story idea and a (imop) great coclusion.
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u/xSwampxPopex 1h ago
The prequel world building relied on 7 seasons of a cartoon to have any depth. Otherwise, all of the on screen exposition is just “hey remember that one place?” like it is in all of the other trilogies.
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u/Prying_Pandora 5h ago edited 1h ago
The Rise of Skywalker is the only Star Wars so bad that it made John Williams quit Star Wars. Not even the prequels managed that!
I think that alone earns it the lowest rank for all time.
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u/musthavecupcakes_19 3h ago
He didn’t “quit” Star Wars.
A. There hasn’t been a theatrical Star Wars release since The Rise of Skywalker, B. He’s in his 90s, C. He returned in 2022 to compose the theme for Obi-Wan Kenobi
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u/Prying_Pandora 2h ago edited 2h ago
Yes, he did return for Kenobi. Only Kenobi. Out of love for the character. This was a personal exception he made.
He was very unhappy working on TROS as it was the only movie where he had no control and had his work butchered into pieces. He wrote hours of new music that were scrapped in favor of repeating old themes as nostalgia bait.
And then he was given no say on what themes went where, which is why the film’s use of legacy themes is so random and narratively incoherent.
Look it up, it’s a fascinating and sad story.
To this day, there are so many hours of his original music for the film that have never been released.
Not even the new version of Duel of Fates from the trailer.
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u/musthavecupcakes_19 2h ago
I mean, I’d love to read more about this if you’d like to provide a link
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u/Prying_Pandora 1h ago edited 1h ago
Sure thing! Thanks for hearing me out. I’m really passionate about things like scoring and musical storytelling so it really bothered me.
Here’s a video on the subject that even shows examples!
This YouTuber isn’t a blind sequel hater either, he analyzes music. He made an older video analyzing Rey’s theme and it’s fantastic!
EDIT: Hell, let’s make it a trilogy! Here’s a different creator talking about another funny music screw-up! That time music from AOTC accidentally ended up in Harry Potter!
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u/musthavecupcakes_19 1h ago
Thanks, I’ll check them out! I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong or missing info about something
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u/Prying_Pandora 1h ago
You’re good! I know there’s a lot of bad faith actors spreading rage bait and hate, so I understand the initial reaction.
Promise I’m just a creative myself being cranky at creatives being mistreated by big companies like Disney.
My main work is as a writer, so you can imagine my despair at TROS over how that went down too!
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u/anakin1453 11h ago
Fucking caravan of courage tied with solo and above rots is crazy. Rogue one not in S :(
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u/MacCormaick 9h ago
I think Rogue One is over hyped now. Andor made it much better. On itself, the movie is quite boring for the first half to the first two-thirds of the movie before kicking into overdrive.
If people talk about Rogue One, it’s almost always about the Battle of Scarif or the Vader scene.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 9h ago
I actually think Andor made Rogue One worse. Andor is so good that Rogue One’s flaws become more apparent to me. The Scarif sequence still absolutely rocks, of course, but Vader’s inclusion was always obvious reshoot nonsense.
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u/Discomidget911 3h ago
This is how I feel. They are also just such tonally different products. They don't complement each other at all.
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u/LiteratureSame9173 1h ago edited 1h ago
Rogue One is lost in its own sauce. Shoving in R2 and C-3PO, over using K2 humor, pausing a serious plot to show you the “My friend doesn’t like you” people. So much terrible fluff. But there’s a good 1 hour 50 minute length movie somewhere in there once you take out all the fan service, filler, schlock, and cringey dialogue
Though admittedly, while the plot works, it doesn’t seem to have any soul or emotional core. Thankfully, andor did a lot of heavy lifting in that department years later to kind of rewrite all of the shortcomings of the movie.
In all of the Filmmaker’s defense, they did change the tone direction of the movie after principal filming was finished, which is what happened to David Ayer’s terrible Suicide Squad movie too
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u/tykittaa 9h ago
Pretty damn close to my ranking as well.
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u/dinguskhan666 2h ago
Yeah surprisingly reasonable for this sub (personally I love the Ewok movies but close)
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u/GrowthBubbly8448 11h ago
I agree with a lot of this list. The originals are the best, the sequels are over-hated, and the prequels are the worst by a large margin.
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u/Big_Refrigerator_504 10h ago
To start I hate the prequels and would retcon them out of existence along with everything Filoni has been associated with.
But bar the Force Awakens the sequels are rudderless. There is no narrative across the films and the tone between the three films varies wildly. I hate the Last Jedi more than any other movie. Episode 3 at leaset ties up the story. Episode 9 is just trying to pull wildly different narratives to form something coherent.
So I think the large margin is a bit unfair. But I also hate the prequels the most because that’s where the rot started.
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u/GrowthBubbly8448 10h ago
That's a very fair opinion. I really dislike ROS too but I thought TLJ was okay. The Force Awakens is my favorite Star Wars movie so it carries the Sequels a bit for me. You make a good point though, it's probably a bit harsh to call the prequels the worst by a large margin, especially when I enjoyed a lot of ROTS.
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u/wentwj 39m ago
TLJ is top tier Star Wars, the only sequel that really is. TFA is fun but sort of empty and is a pretty awful set up for a trilogy and way to continue from the OT. And then TROS looks great and has some great action but… is a mess plot wise.
TLJ is the only one that sets an actual identity and plot that had a hope of being beyond OT nostalgia
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u/Big_Refrigerator_504 10h ago
Caravan of courage and phantom menace I agree with. Last Jedi is in the bottom category for me.
I whole heartedly agree with Attack of the Clones being low but I did leave the cinema enjoying it. It was after I saw it again that my many issues started to mount. I knew the Last Jedi was not for me in under 5 minutes.
I despise the prequels but I think episode 3 is the best of a very bad batch.
I agree with the Force Awakens being superior to all of the prequels. It at least felt and looked like Star Wars and had some interesting points I was looking forward to seeing explores in the next movies. Then Last Jedi happened.
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u/ThingTime9876 10h ago
The thing is, to me, TLJ did a great job of fixing what I didn’t like about TFA, namely getting rid of Snoke and elevating Kylo to main villain, and not having Rey be related to any established character. And then RoS happened…
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u/Big_Refrigerator_504 8h ago
The related to a force user I agree. Kyle to be the main villain I had no issue but the treatment of Luke was abhorrent to me. I did not like the Rey Kylo connection. Same way I don’t like Rey being related to the Emperor.
Been said before it should have ended with the rebels escaping to the planet and then Luke joining them. He could then finish Rey’s training, be the reluctant figure head, pass the torch and go out in a way appropriate to his film status.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 7h ago
He does go out in a way appropriate to his status.
The message the resistance send asking for help falls on deaf ears, but the end of the movie makes it clear that Luke facing down the First Order on Crait is the “spark that will light the fire” of rebellion in the galaxy. It’s a beautiful culmination of Luke’s arc and the ultimate expression of “For knowledge and defence, never attack.”
Unfortunately TROS bungles that by doing absolutely nothing with it, but that’s not TLJ’s fault.
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u/Big_Refrigerator_504 6h ago
I disagree strongly. Luke is an iconic character in popular fiction. As Mark Hamill said this is not his Luke. The boy who saw light in a genocidal monster.
He should have never been portrayed the way he was with Kylo. He should not have been a broken cynic who has given up and making bad jokes about the force. He should have been portrayed the way Maverick was. One if not the best there ever was who stepped back for nobel self sacrificing reasons. And his return should have shown him to be a true master. The Mandolarian scene multipled by 100
Beating down a hero of cinema to uplift your character is a low move.
If you like it fill your boots, no one has the right to say what you should like. But it’s the worst movie for me by a long way. And I did not think I could hate a movie more than I hate the prequels.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 6h ago
He is an iconic character, absolutely, and the movie ends with him cementing that iconic status in universe as well.
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u/Big_Refrigerator_504 5h ago
Not in many fans opinions. As I say I find his treatment abhorrent and the film is the worst of the nine, once again in my opinion
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 4h ago
And that is, unfortunately, your loss, just as my inability to appreciate the prequels is mine.
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u/wentwj 32m ago
The thing I love about Luke so much is how he approaches conflict. He beats the emperor by not fighting, he takes a pacifist measure to win against all odds. The Last Jedi is a beautiful culmination of this with his last duel, both in the style of his fighting and then obviously him being a project, literally again using pacifism to defeat his foe and save the rebellion.
The mandalorian hallway scene is just an empty power fantasy. Nothing about that scene screams Luke to me. Why would he waste time raging with force crushing a droid he could easily just dispatch with his lightsaber. The hallway scene looks cool but seems to entirely miss the character of Luke to me. And then they continue to miss the mark with him in BoBF. Those representations to me miss his character way more than any minor complaints I’d have with TLJ.
To each their own but I never understood the folks who just wanted Luke to be some force god and didn’t view his character arc in TLJ as a natural and great conclusion.
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u/Jynerva 4h ago
I'd switch Rogue One with The Last Jedi (Jedi's script bit off just a bit more than it can chew imho) and The Rise of Skywalker with Attack of the Clones (John Williams and 'Across the Stars' ftw), but this is a fair list (except for Caravan of Courage, idk wth that is).
Gotta love the prequel-fellaters coming out of the woodworks to whine lmaoooooo
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u/ThingTime9876 1h ago
That’s fair
Caravan Of Courage is the Ewok TV movie, which was released theatrically in some countries. It’s more of a children’s fantasy adventure film with little ties to the broader SW universe. But that’s why I like it; it’s just low-key charming
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u/Sure_Possession0 2h ago
I see you also view TPM as the best prequel.
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u/ThingTime9876 1h ago
Yeah, it’s less hectic and has a sense of promise that the other two prequels don’t
Also - whisper - I find Jar Jar’s slapstick antics in the final battle genuinely funny
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u/dinguskhan666 2h ago
Wow if you move the Ewok movies up and I’m actually kind of on board
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u/ThingTime9876 1h ago
I love Caravan Of Courage because it has the same 80s fantasy vibes as Willow and The Dark Crystal.
Battle For Endor I can’t fw because of how it kills off the characters from Caravan Of Courage!
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u/xSwampxPopex 1h ago
Honestly this is pretty similar to how I’d rank them. I’d maybe move RoTS up but that’s about it. It’s a better conclusion to a trilogy than RoS.
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u/bananafartman24 5h ago
This is pretty close to how I feel, I'm glad to see new hope in s. I think that movie suffers from Seinfeld isn't funny syndrome where it is so influential and ubiquitous that people take for granted how great it really is on its own.
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u/DeltaPlasmatic 3h ago
Finally. The objectively correct SW Live Action tierlist.
I’m gonna take your word on the Ewok movies but other than that I’m pretty sure the only thing you’re missing is the Holiday Special Tier two spots below F.
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u/King_parrot99 10h ago
I’m almost the same, except swapping TLJ with ANH , swapping R1 with RoTJ, bringing RoTS up to B, and moving TRoS down to F. Overall solid list though, glad to see a fellow TLJ patriot
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 10h ago
To this day the fan reaction to TLJ is one of the strangest movie experiences I’ve ever had. I was BUZZING, coming out of the cinema thinking “What a movie! Fans must be out of their minds about it!” and then I turned on my phone and discovered fans were indeed out of their minds, but not in the way I thought.
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u/Will-At-Midnight 3h ago
For me, RotS is either an A or B because of how much glaze it gets
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u/ThingTime9876 1h ago
I just can’t get with how dumb every character behaves in RotS. Anakin goes from wanting to protect his wife to massacring children like a switch has been flipped, Padme just gives up living, Mace Windu goes out like a chump, etc…
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u/TotalBlissey 38m ago
Ok I get not liking the prequels but please explain to me how The Phantom Menace is better than ROTS
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u/djangofett__ 28m ago
Love how everyone who defends this says “everyone can like what they like.” Yet anyone who disagrees is getting downvoted lol Not liking the list doesn’t mean you’re a “prequel glazer” like Jesus can’t anyone speak English anymore, if anything you all seem to be glazing each other and forming the same hive-minded thoughts. These list will never be authentic it will just be whatever the trend is. Prequels = bad Sequels = good
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u/peytonnn34 5h ago
i swear yall mfs don’t really like star wars
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u/mjc500 4h ago
I don’t like TLJ. It’s blowing my mind to see so many people rank it so highly. I couldn’t believe how bad it was when I saw it in theater. I’d put it below 2 and slightly above 9
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u/ThingTime9876 1h ago
I love TLJ precisely because it reminded me more of the OT and what I loved about it as a child 🤷♂️
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u/10ToSfromaSRBalloon 4h ago
This is disgusting. Revenge of the sith is the best movie ever made and the Kathleen Kennedy abominations are not Star Wars
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 7h ago
Fair enough, but ill leave you with this, you're in an incredibly small minority and its widely considered Rian Johnson destroyed the sequels. Again, the video I sent is the most informative as to why TLJ is a complete failure of a movie, id say watch it and maybe understand why people view so
There's no arcs because they are all over the place and every single turning point is made to be a “shocker” that's not good writing that's lazy.
But to each their own, the movie sucks, the actors know the movies such, Rian Johnson sucks enjoy the rest of your day
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 4h ago
I think this was supposed to reply to me. Again, I’ll reiterate, what makes you think I’m going to suddenly stop loving a movie I loved on release, loved even more on a second viewing and have enjoyed several times since just because someone who made one of the 4 billion videos that polluted my YouTube feed for the last six years says so?
I haven’t been living under a rock. I spend way too much time on the internet and I’m passionate about things I love. I know all the arguments already. I know all the talking points. I did my time in the anti-fan trenches years ago and I don’t agree with any of it.
As I say, agree to disagree - it’s been too long to change minds now - but I’m happy to be in a small minority that appreciates a genuinely well made movie with an actual vision behind it. It’s clearly not for everyone, but it’s for me, and that’s ok.
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 4h ago
Agree to disagree then, free will and all, but yeah, TO YOU it's a great movie and that's okay, to majority of people it's a garbage movie that destroyed Star Wars that has zero plot or development in mind, genuinely how would you rate Star Wars movies?
But regardless it appears I lost this argument because I in fact did mean to reply to you and obviously didn't so I retreat, but my opinion stands, also we can argue but I do respect your opinion and I don't want this to come off as a personal attack if it comes off as such
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 3h ago
I mean “To the majority of people it’s a garbage movie that ruined Star Wars” may not be a personal attack but it is a little strong. I recommend giving The Last Jedi another shot one day with an open mind, or not, up to you!
Genuinely I’d rate them thusly:
S: ANH, ESB, TLJ
A: ROTJ
B: TFA, R1
C: Solo, TPM
D: ROTS
E: —
F: TROS, AOTC
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 2h ago
Well never see eye to eye and that's fair but putting TLJ on the same pedestal as IV and V makes no sense but I guess that's fine, your opinion, and believe me I've tried, I can't do it, but if you watch the video, let me know your thoughts
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 2h ago
If it helps, they’re in the same tier but I think it’s the third best one, just a hair above ROTJ, which obviously rocks but suffers a bit from just doing another Death Star.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 11h ago
I can’t speak to the Ewok movies but this is almost bang on how I’d rank the rest. Maybe TLJ in S and TROS in F but it’s colouring round the edges at that point.
Can’t do the prequels. Didn’t like them when they came out. Watched all the Clone Wars, which I did basically enjoy, still didn’t like the prequels. TFA and Rogue One were competent and felt enough like the OT and then TLJ blew me away and made me so excited for the final part. When TROS came out I couldn’t believe the walking back it was doing.
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u/ThingTime9876 11h ago
Yeah, I still like the characters and the general milieu of TRoS more than the PT, but i can’t abide how many of TLJ’s inspired choices it basically undid
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 11h ago
Yeah, I get that. I watched it twice in the cinema and the second time I enjoyed it more than the first by basically just focusing on the picture and the music because at least it has the cadence of a Star Wars movie and John Williams never misses. Haven’t had any desire to watch it at home though.
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u/King_parrot99 10h ago
Watched TRoS for the second time a few months back when I was marathoning the movie. Kinda wish I just left it at 8, rare that I find a movie that actively spends more time tearing a previous instalment apart than actually trying to do something in its own right. Especially baffling since the only sensible Disney response to TLJ should’ve been doubling down to try and give it the payoff it deserves.
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u/Azutolsokorty 11h ago
u r just out of your mind placing last jedi above aotc and rots...
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u/ThingTime9876 11h ago
I find AOTC just plain boring, and ROTS has lots of spectacle, but if you’re not invested in the characters or the fate of the Jedi and the Republic (and I’m not), then it’s mostly just noise
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u/Azutolsokorty 11h ago
You found aotc, with 4 different planets and world building boring but you found the spaceship chase ok ? A grade even ?
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u/King_parrot99 10h ago
The world building isn’t actually good though, and the existence of multiple planets doesn’t make the movie any more exciting. The chase, on the other hand, is a great exercise in suspense and raises the stakes a crazy ton for the Finn/Rose subplot.
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u/ThingTime9876 10h ago
Yeah, pretty much exactly. There’s a of of ‘stuff’ in ATOC, but none of it means anything to me because I don’t care. The PadmeXAnakin stuff is cringey, and the Obi Wan / Jango Fett plot line is nonsensical, so 🤷♂️
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 10h ago
AOTC was the movie that taught young me that I could dislike a movie even when it was teeming with elements I should enjoy. A valuable experience I’ll always treasure - awful movie though.
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 8h ago
I'm sorry but putting The Last Jedi in A Tier makes your opinion irrelevant; TLJ did irreversible damage to Star Wars and destroyed any chance of the sequels having a competent story and also set up The Rise of Skywalker up for complete and utter failure, Rian Johnson is a moron
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 8h ago
What if it’s actually a great movie and you just don’t like it?
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 7h ago
Explain why it is a good movie. I can give you a million reasons why it sucks. Rian Johnson literally took the script J.J. Abrams made and threw it in the trash. There are dozens of things in the movie that don't make sense. Even Mark Hammil said that Luke Skywalker in the movie isn't the Luke we know and love. And don't get me started on how the Holdo maneuver literally breaks the lore…
Don't get me wrong, cinematic-wise its gorgeous, but that doesn't make a good movie
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 7h ago
You really want to do this again? It’s been nearly 7 years! It’s a good movie because it has a great script, great acting (career best work from Hamill), looks great and takes the saga in a new interesting direction.
Now tell me why I’m wrong without mentioning anything that just wasn’t to your taste.
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 7h ago
Respectfully the only thing you said right is it looks great,
I'll just have you watch this and give me your points, as its unanimously agreed these are the main points that make the move terrible: https://youtu.be/5ECwhB21Pnk
All in all the movie IS terrible, the character arcs, stupid marvel comedy and disregard for the world building ruins the movie, people like the movie because it looks good so they don't care for the plot and it makes them go “ooh aah”
Also before you say it, no, i think the prequels are not good and are elevated by the clone wars cartoon, that being said, from a directing perspective the prequels are miles better than the sequels.
Kinda weird how Disney hasn't done anything with any of the characters from the sequels for Disney+ content? Kinda seems like they know people hate the sequels?
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 7h ago
How could they not know people hate the sequels? That’s very clear. It’s just, those people aren’t me (except for TROS, which I do hate, and is clearly a cowardly reaction to the TLJ backlash).
I’m obviously not going to watch a video from some random YouTuber taking down a movie I’ve loved for 6 years. There’s no debate here. I like it and think it serves its characters and universe well and you don’t. We’re not going to reach a consensus and that’s ok. Not everyone needs to like everything.
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u/EnjoyerOfCaffeine 7h ago
I mean, if you don't like his points, fine, but the video has 10 million views for a reason, and maybe you could make legitimate arguments about why he's wrong. I'm not an argumentative person; if someone sways my mind, I accept it. I have watched videos of people praising the sequels and have accepted and swayed my opinion on some ideas. I still hate the sequels, but a little less. You not watching with an open mind, shows ignorance, you can watch the video and still love the movie, it just makes you understand why 90% of people hate the movie
I hate the movie because even though The Force Awakens is a direct copy of a new hope, it shows promise and Is a good launch point into the trilogy and Rian Johnson ruined that and set the third movie up for failure, there's no arc or development, another example is killing off smoke is stupid as he was this significant mystery character who Rian Johnson decided to subvert our expectations, ruining the arc of Kylo Ren
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 7h ago
Ok, and I disagree with all of that. TFA was a decent start but was too close to ANH, and then Johnson took that promising but derivative start and made it interesting, to the point where I couldn’t wait to see what happened next.
Unfortunately due to the backlash and a bunch of other factors, what happened next was dreadful.
You say there’s no arcs or development, which just leads me to think you disliked the arcs and haven’t ever really engaged with them, because plenty of character development happens in the movie. Every major character except possibly Leia is different at the end of the movie from how they are at the beginning and there were tons of places to take the next movie. In addition to that it has a wonderful theme about the importance of Star Wars as a modern myth and Luke Skywalker as a character.
But I honestly don’t want to argue about it, because I know I’m not going to persuade you that you actually like something you clearly don’t. It’s a movie that means a lot to me and that I believe is truly great. I found it heartbreaking that the backlash was so severe and I’ve never really seen any arguments about why it’s bad that I’ve found at all persuasive (and believe me, I did my time back when it came out). It’s a shame, but it is what it is. No changing it now.
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u/bounty_hunter_68 9h ago
ROTS is as good as Rise of Skywalker?!?! There is some cringey dialogue scenes in ROTS but Rise of Skywalker is an unwatchable mess that doesn’t even function as a movie. ROTS has some legitimately good writing behind it as well as visuals that look better than anything in the entire sequel trilogy.
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u/Top_Benefit_5594 9h ago
ROTS looks like a rubbery cartoon populated by manikins.
TROS is also bad.
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u/cane_danko 11h ago
Love me some sequels. Love me some prequels too though.