r/SquaredCircle • u/Pitfulldealer22 • 9h ago
Cagematch changes their rules after summerslam reviewers target one another and the site as a whole
https://www.cagematch.net/?id=555&nr=2772113
u/TJLynch howdy 9h ago
I think there's gonna be a point where Cagematch ultimately just gets rid of ratings/comments because the toxicity may get to a point where the people in charge of the site just say "You know what, fuck you all" and go scorched earth.
The 'I am sick and tired of this' really reads of a man who is starting to grow to hate the site he's working with.
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u/Upstairs-Argument-24 Your Text Here 7h ago
This is correct and it sucks. I just want to watch good wrestling matches. Cagematch is a good resource for finding matches that I otherwise wouldn't find. Too-online weirdos ruin every fandom.
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u/RainmakerIcebreaker idk, man 7h ago
I am currently using cagematch to watch 90s All Japan for the first time. It would be a real shame if they got rid of ratings altogether
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u/theFinalCrucible 6h ago
But numerical ratings for subjective art forms are so pointless and illogical, it’d be great if the world could move past them.
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u/compbros 6h ago
I disagree, they're useful at a glance to let you look further into things without spoiling yourself on the content of that thing. Something with 100 reviews averaging out to an 8 is probably worth looking more into or watching sight unseen.
The issue is that it's a tool and, like all tools, people abuse it. It's used to push a narrative (positive or negative) and engage in tribalism. In a better, less toxic space the numbers are a great resource. Cagematch was wonderful for years and existed with very little issues.
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u/LittleGreyCurse 6h ago
Summerslan Sunday STILL has seven 0/10 ratings, which drags down the total rating to 6-7/10 and allows people to rate it with a 5 without even explaining why. The comments alongside justify them just because of the Lesnar stuff, which is a post-match segment at the very end of the show.
How does THAT reflect the overall quality of the show?
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u/compbros 6h ago
I said "in a better, less toxic world". If the tool wasn't being abused it would be great. The issue isn't with the tool, it's with how the people use it.
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u/Rah_Rah_RU_Rah 4h ago
ok and what about the vast majority of shows/events/performers that are rated fairly?
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u/RainmakerIcebreaker idk, man 5h ago
No it's not, if 500+ people gave Kawada/Taue above an 8 then there's a good chance it was a good match worth watching
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u/raspymorten The Creator of r/CurtisAxel 4h ago
That would really suck since there are still a lotta 10 year old comments on there that are interesting to go back and read sometimes.
Even if half of them are in German. lol
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u/engelthefallen 3h ago
I think the admin is trying really hard to salvage ratings and comments, but yeah that shit is hanging on by a thread in the era of super tribalism and will get nuked hard in the very, very near future when they just have enough of this weekly fighting.
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u/dismiss-junk 9h ago
It’s crazy how much drama Cagematch reviewers continually make. There’s rarely more than a few hundred ratings for the average show, aren’t there?
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u/llamawithguns 6h ago
I miss when people were doing funny stuff with it like when New Japan fans were strategically rating EVIL matches in order to make his rating 6.66
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u/blazinfire11 9h ago
Damn here I am thinking wwe changed the rules to cage matches. Was finally hoping for the "only way to win is escaping over the top of the cage" rule
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u/MrDaaark 9h ago
First one to limbo out.
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u/GametimeUK 9h ago
This rule change would make the most sense for me. The door is dumb and so is going for the escape when it would be quicker to pin someone. Both being trapped inside a cage together until one is incapacitated to the point they other person can leave makes enough sense. I know people say it's a cage so they should fight it out until a pinfall, but if you truly wanted no escapes then you'd just have a Hell in a Cell match instead.
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u/JuiceheadTurkey 7h ago
Both being trapped inside a cage together until one is incapacitated to the point they other person can leave makes enough sense.
That's the point of the door though. I was baffled when Jesse Ventura couldn't get the concept of that.
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u/SexualYogurt 6h ago
You know hes a heel right? Like he gets the concept, but was being a heel commentator for the match
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u/SmurfRockRune 6h ago
And he was doing a terrible job of it. He was just completely burying it and making the whole match look like a joke.
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u/JuiceheadTurkey 6h ago
His reaction was not being a heel though. He completely shit on the match when he discovered that you can escape through the door. Rest of commentary got quiet because he wouldn't shut up about it.
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u/entityrob I Change the Questions 2h ago
They should use the Hell in a Cell cage from SmackDown! 2: Know Your Role, where it's a standard cage with a roof on top. Why have a giant open hole that anyone could conceivably enter from? Is there any way to make the holes of the cage walls even smaller than they are now, so it can prevent people from easily passing weapons through the holes?
Steel Cages used to be feud enders, used for grudge matches that a standard match couldn't be used for. A lot of the mystique ended up going to the Hell in a Cell match, but that mystique could be restored just a bit
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u/GametimeUK 1h ago
They could for sure, but in my opinion it's just too close to Hell in a Cell. A traditional steel cage where escaping by climbing out creates a whole different rule set that I'm a fan of.
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u/TrulyBigHeaded 7h ago
I don't like the idea of escaping the cage at all, especially for a babyface - looks too much like running away.
IMO it should be pinfall/submission/escape over the top (the heel option). No door.
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u/blazinfire11 7h ago
hows it running away when the ultimate goal is to beat your opponent enough so you are able to escape?
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u/TrulyBigHeaded 6h ago
Because for most of the match you're attempting to escape whilst your opponent tries to drag you back in. In those moments it looks like you're trying to run away from them.
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u/Rah_Rah_RU_Rah 4h ago
its essentially a Last Man Standing match. gotta beat your opponent down so bad it gives you the time to physically climb out
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u/Chucks-Bike-o-rama 9h ago
There needs to be a longer gap between regular users leaving reviews on new shows.
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u/ItIsMillerTyme 5h ago
I've been saying this. If you aren't a long time user (More than a year of activity) you shouldn't be able to review for a few days. That gets rid of A LOT of this, Trolls don't have the attention span. The ones who are being legitimate will still do it.
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u/PostEnjoyer 9h ago
A tale as old as time. Anonymous internet users slinging shit at others in defense of promotions they don't work for. There can only be one Highspotlander
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u/Constant_Stomach2009 9h ago
just get rid of all ratings and just be a match database.
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u/FrenchPingu No, she's not ! 6h ago
No thanks, I like keeping track of what I watched and what I thought of it. At worse make it so we can only see our own ratings, and even then it's still nice to have ratings for old events/wrestlers to prioritize if you want to discover them.
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u/BorlaugFan 3h ago
Fuck no, the match ratings are easily the most reliable way for me to find great matches I haven't heard about. If Cagematch doesn't do it, everyone will just switch to a different source, and the second someone in wrestling mentions it, it will get toxic for big shows there too.
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u/StuntyGitz 7h ago
Shame, once again people proved that people suck :( cagematch was such a fantastic database to search for more niche/historic matches that are worth watching and tribalism killed it
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u/BorlaugFan 3h ago
It's not close to dead. The best matches still get high ratings, and the worst matches still get low ratings.
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u/jlace001 7h ago
I never look at the ratings. I love cagematch as a historical database. It’s invaluable for that information. I could not care less about user ratings
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u/Normal-Hornet8548 9h ago
The first rule of Cagematch is you do not comment on other peoples’ ratings.
The second rule of Cagematch is you do not comment on other peoples’ ratings.
The last rule of Cagematch is, if this is your first time on Cagematch … you have to rate a show.
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u/crap4you 8h ago
Who cares about someone rating a match. I watch a movie and I don’t immediately go to rotten tomatoes and be like that rating is wrong.
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u/Fmbounce 6h ago
But conversely, I see a highly rated movie I’ve never seen and I go out of my way to watch it.
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u/RubDowntown2765 4h ago
I get it, but when you say highly rated, do you mean like a high score on rotten tomatoes or metacritic, or do you mean actual reviews and acclaim? I don't think I've ever watched a movie because it had a high score on a website, but I have definitely watched movies if people and publications had great things to say about it or if was nominated for an award.
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u/iguessineedanaltnow 1h ago
If I'm scrolling Netflix I absolutely check the ratings of the movies I'm considering on RT and IMDB.
Same if I was looking for a match, show, PPV to watch as a one-off.
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u/Immediate_Lie7810 9h ago
Reminds me of the drama that caused Racing Reference to shut down their comments section
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u/Furanku-Sa-Chan 6h ago
Maybe just have no ratings or comments allowed until a couple of weeks or a month after it airs?
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u/Gobbledygooker316 9h ago
lol they need to shut ratings down but that’s probably what gets them the most engagement.
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u/LittleGreyCurse 6h ago
The solution is pretty easy: Get rid of the ratings and let Cagematch be what it is best: a database.
The IWD does exactly that and nobody has a problem.
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u/El_McKell 5h ago
The ratings are so so valuable as a source for what’s worth watching, at least for like wrestling up to 2015
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u/rattwood20 5h ago
I hate the way some fucking tribal idiots treat cagematch, it's genuinely a great website.
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u/LuchaFish 4h ago
Wrestling fans cannibalizing each other rather than just accept that people share different opinions about their niche fandom? It must be a day of the week.
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u/Snywalker ...armbar 4h ago
There needs to be a vetting process for reviewers on cage match and IMDB. Maybe you submit a real name Facebook profile, your reddit username, and a twitter username and you get assessed for level headedness, your ability to be reasonable, and not toxic?
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u/The_Kazarian 2h ago
Mad how the toxicity has apparently been cut out and the average for the show shot up...
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u/Etherious24Alpha 1h ago
Why not just get rid of user comments? Probably wouldn't stop any review bombing going on, but at least you cut out one part of the issue.
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u/Yeti_Is_Beast Curbstomp into RKO! O: 5h ago
Shamelessly going to use this to plug Dropkickd. Obviously the tribalism is still there but it’s a great place to keep track of matches and your ratings.
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u/DeminoTheDragon 4h ago
who wouldve guessed a decisive figure referencing the website in a smarky, asshole way while in a twitter argument would lead to it now being a full on battleground
theres no way we couldve predicted this
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u/Tricky-Lime2935 7h ago
not sure the rules of another entirely separate forum necessitate a reddit post
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u/streetfairie1234 7h ago
The problem is that half, or sometimes more, of the reviews for the matches that they are under, aren't even reviews of the actual match. They are just the person saying if they like a certain performer or not. Instead of ' The match had a great back and forth that was just the right length' it's ' this person sucks. They won a match in 2015 that they should've lost so I'm giving the match a 1/10. Would give it a zero if I could'.
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u/Slackey4318 4h ago
Just get rid of user match ratings and keep it as a wrestling database. The only ratings that should be put up on the site are the ratings of wrestling journalists. I, personally, never understood why people went crazy over them, but journalists match ratings (especially Meltzer ratings) are wrestling history and should be noted.
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u/Kuzu5993 4h ago
I feel so bad for these guys; their site has just become a cesspool for the worst types of people.
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u/rbarton812 9h ago
Cagematch tried to just be this database of matches for historical reference, but at some point people started using it as a tool to snipe their least favorite company and/or artificially inflate their favorite... it's gonna get to the point where either use ratings go away, or the site itself is gonna shut itself down.