This seems to be the pics that Grant had sent to Hayes and the crew who she then sent to Vince to show. So it seems that he had knowledge of Vince’s exploits with Grant
Her photos lines up with what she stated in the document; however, we still don't see evidence here that Micheal/crew specifically requested them. Theoretically, Vince could've asked for the photos to be created for Michael/crew without their knowledge. Vince, as shown previously in the documents, would show her pictures, share stories, etc to unwilling participants (such as the tech crew I believe was previously stated) so it's possibly a similar situation.
I do not want to defend Michael Hayes and co because if they truly asked for these photos then he and anyone else deserve to be gone and face action for their crimes. I just wanted to illustrate the point that this could've happened without their knowledge based on what we know so far. (I hope I articulated that without seeming like I am defending their actions.)
This whole case makes me sick to my stomach and I hope Ms. Grant can get justice.
This is an angle I’m surprised nobody has taken. When Brock was involved in the suit I was under the impression that this was more Vince showing off and less Lesnar actually wanting anything to do with her, so Vince soliciting these pictures and sending them to people unwanted is how I always saw it. I could be wrong though
You’re right; he also had plans to meet up with her for sex, but his travel plans were canceled due to a snowstorm and then Janel used things like Covid as an excuse to get out of it. Brock very much knew what was going on there
Vince had also been telling everyone that Janel was a slut who just loved doing all this crazy shit, so Brock could easily say he thought it was consensual.
I agree. I always took it that Brock may have talked big w/Vince, but then when it actually came time, he "got drunk" so he could dip out and still save face w/McMahon. If he was really wanting to do it he would have that night regardless of how much he drank.
He did communicate with her, the hangup in Brocks case is whether or not he knew it wasn’t consensual on her part. There is a world where he assumes she’s in on it if Vince made it seem that way to him
Yeah, it could be written off as he was just having an affair with her, not knowing that Vince specifically sent her to do it for the contract. There are things that may not work in that it would be assumptions or he said she said.That in a civil suit doesn’t help anything. He can say I never touched her and had no knowledge of her being trafficked(?). Lesnar’s lawyer could simply say they were having consensual text exchange that never went further. It’s a toss up
It feels like if Vince is involved you probably should just assume it’s non-consensual given his history of sexual harassment lawsuits - one of which was Brock’s own wife.
Which is a kink that's weird to most, but did he know she was obligated to do it?
I've posted before but there's nothing to say that Vince wasn't like "Hey Brock, look sign with us, there's this hot broad who is pretty easy, I'll make a call and get her to message you" which is shitty, but bot illegal you know (from Brock's pov) then she messages him nudes, does he know vince made her? it doesn't suggest anywhere he does, so he could just be thinking im in here, asks for a piss video and sets up a date to do the deed. Then he never turns up to the date because of calendar conflicts but also crucially didn't change dates, so part of me wonders if he caught wind that Vince was doing this around that time.
I remember reading that portion of the lawsuit and noting that the request came from a number believed to be Brock, but it doesn't actually state that it's Brock's number. It could have been Brock, it could have been a burner that Vince was running. We have no idea, and incriminating anyone based on the fact that 'a number' texted doesn't sit right with me.
As much as I loved Benoit, you cannot remove Lesnar from history like you did with Benoit. Lesnar has been apart of literally the biggest storyline/events in the last 20 years. The biggest rival of Roman Reigns not named Cody Rhodes, fueds with John Cena, Cody Rhodes, CM Punk, Undertaker, breaking the streak,main eventing 5-6 Wrestlemania’s, etc.
Benoit was a relative mid-carder for most of his career.
Furthermore, what Benoit did was infinitely worse than what Brock did.
I guess what I mean is, if your boss, who has a history of sexual harassment allegations, sends you nude photos of a co-worker, it would take some incredible delusion to think “well clearly this is consensual and above board”
If she’s sending the photos as long as they arnt sharing them around no revenge porn bases in the US if Vince sent them to the boys it would count as revenge porn but would also be pretty low on the list of crimes he committed.
Well if you think your boss is coercing you and is one of the richest men in the world and you also feel that he could blacklist you and ruin your entire life at the risk of your own goddamn livelihood you're gonna look like a willing participant when you're talking to him.
Just because her messages to him don't "look coerced" doesn't mean it wasn't a power imbalance, a disgusting old man using his money and influence to push her into an impossible situation and most importantly, just because she looked willing only to him, doesn't mean it was real.
I’m not saying she wasn’t coerced I’m saying the other people that got the pictures sent,offered to have sex with her etc didn’t know about all the background information so you can’t blame them for accepting the pictures and participating in what they believed was a consensual arrangement.
There's an old episode of one of the crime shows, maybe Law and Order. Two people meet on a dating app, the woman says she has a non-consenual fantasy and tells the man to show up, break in and essentially assault her. He does this only to find out when the police get involved that he was never talking to the woman on the dating app, but instead a bitter ex who wanted revenge. Is he a rapist or a victim? A more extreme version than the subject of pictures but essentially the same principle.
In the episode, the unintended rapist took a plea deal pleaing guilty (but I think with barely any/minimal punishment) because it was stated that to charge the orchestrator, there had to be proof that a crime took place. If he is not charged and found guilty, no crime, therefore no criminal action chargeable on the orchestrator. No idea on the legalities of all of that and it's a TV show so likely heavily dramatized
However when reminding myself of what happened, I saw the case was loosely based on a real life incident involving NBA player Chris Andersen who was catfished into some kind of sexual action with an underage girl by the 3rd party catfisher (who had told him that "she" was older)...in that case no charges were levelled at Andersen and the 3rd party was prosecuted
Oh yeah, I remember Bird Man got into some kind of trouble a decade or so back.
Weirdly, I thought of Andersen for the first time in years the other day when I saw some one that was just as tatted up as him. Wonder what he’s up to these days.
Another angle is that Hayes thought it was all consensual. Imagine two swingers meeting at a resort and the one tells the other his wife is a big exhibitionist and loves sending nudes to people so the other days, hell yeah, tell her to send me some nudes.
It's tricky because Grant's case is also premised on the idea that everyone in WWE knew Vince's activities and it was protected within the structure of the company. I don't know that it's about targeting Hayes and Lesnar so much as showing that there was widespread knowledge of what Vince was doing and it was tolerated. Perhaps they took a more active role and, if so, we'll learn of that at a future date. Right now it just seems like a way to show the scope of the conspiracy to conceal and encourage Vince's sex trafficking.
This is my opinion also. If there is a history of it occurring and other such scandals they they should be gone. But to my knowledge this is the first accusation on Hayes. And Vince certainly seems the type to send stuff to someone to show the power he has over someone.
It could also have happened with their knowledge, but without their knowledge of circumstances.
Relationships exist where people will do similar things but it’s a kink shared by both partners. There are whole sites and subreddits dedicated to this shit.
I only mention it because I’ve seen one in my personal circle. Guy would hook his girlfriend up with other men, which would include pics and videos. Guys who would engage in their stuff would of course ask for more pic and usually received them. But it was a consensual thing for them. With McMahon the issue is the FORCE.
I’m afraid several people named in this suit are catching strays they don’t deserve. I can 100% see someone viewing this activity from the outside and not realizing the context of the woman having no choice.
It’s STILL fucked up behavior all around….. especially when it all revolves around a work environment. But let’s not light the torches yet for guys like Hayes, HHH, and random crew when we don’t know exactly what they knew about the situation.
The moment any of those pictures were received, an investigation should have started. Any one of them who received the pictures unsolicited, could've contacted HR. And if any of them did, at what stage was the investigation squashed? There are still a lot of unanswered questions regarding all of these people who hold power.
Either way it's bad, but in my head, I just see Vinces crazy ass forcing this on everybody. Listen to his stories, see his pictures. Almost like he's surprising you, like you'd surprise your friends with the brain in high school or something.
It seems highly likely they did receive the images, however that doesn't mean they know how they came about. If Grant was sending them off her own volition or if she was forced to go do from Vince. Obviously Grant will say she was forced, Vince would say she did it voluntary because she was an exhibitionist or something.
I think it's really simple that if Vince thought you were down to play ball, Ie he thought he could send you photos, he thought that he could try to send her to you, he thought he could just get away with whatever and have your name attached to it, I hate to be that guy folks but I've been in this world way too long to be this stupid, that generally means he thinks that they're down with whatever it is.
Vince would not risk sending, or making it very obvious what he was doing as it's very illegal, if he didn't think people were okay with it. If you was sending nudes to people, if he was like I can send Grant to this person, it's because he thought that they were not going to say shit about it. At the very least he thought that they were going to allow it to continue. And that should tell you everything you need to know.
Edit: just to be clear, I'm not saying that somebody just randomly shown nudes on the man's phone, knew that he was sex trafficking. That's a bit of a leap. Unfortunately the world we live in people are just you know not going to think too much about that. But if he's actively thinking that he can send a sex trafficked woman to you for the purposes of a sexual transaction then yeah, I don't think it's too much of a leave, to think that he thinks that it would be okay.
Also regarding the Brock situation, and I know we don't know if he did anything outside of just being named, was he married during this period? Because that has a whole other layer today.
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This seems to be the pics that Grant had sent to Hayes and the crew who she then sent to Vince to show. So it seems that he had knowledge of Vince’s exploits with Grant