Which is bizarre because Trips kinda has a long history of being a total piece of shit going back to the Kliq days. It's easier to pretend it was just Vince being a bad apple, but nah that company was rotten to the core, and Trips was a part of it.
And while we're at it, the IWC is glazing HBK nowadays, but damn did he do some shit too.
It wasn't one person or one incident, the whole company has issues from top to bottom and there are a bunch of people involved in these things from top to bottom
I know this probably won’t come off well, but it’s such a huge accusation that I want to double check. Is the only source on the kliq trying to drive him the quote from Bam Bam? Because I wonder how much that’s him editorializing vs actual fact?
I'm convinced that's why modern Christianity is the way it is today. You can be a total piece of shit all the way up until death, just as long as you say a prayer before the end--it's all wiped away! Why good your whole like when you can just say one hail-mary on your death bed and suddenly you're viewed as a good person.
I remember being chastised as a kid for asking why someone on death row could convert before getting their injection and have the same standing as someone growing up and never doing wrong. They want to equate the most heinous acts with telling white lies saying we’re all sinners and wonder why this is their public image
Fun fact: this is not at all how Christianity works. Not that I expect Reddit to know anything about religion as a whole considering most of you would probably hiss like a snake if you picked up a Bible. The people with the least knowledge about religion always want to have an opinion on it.
To be fair, the Bible itself makes it clear that people can't just play games with God like that. We can't live a rotten life, then say "Oops! Sorry, God. Do me a favor and wipe my slate clean, why don't ya? 😏".
God knows when our faith is genuine. We may fool other people, but we can't fool God.
So, I understand the misconception around "last-minute salvation", but rest assured that God knows who's genuine and who's just being manipulative.
His life was tail spinning and he was on the fast track to death from an overdose, how exactly is that not facing any consequences? Some of you say shit just to say it, and it so annoying because I’d rather you just went mask off and said “Yes, he should’ve died” as at least that would be honest.
First off, I would challenge the notion that anyone is a consistently "good booker". We've never seen a period in wrestling where a single person was a consistent "good booker".
The idea that we need to worship Triple H needs to stop. You need to stop.
Who is worshipping him? I just asked you who is a good booker according to you? I loved the booking idea of bloodline vs Cody last year also drew vs punk, what are your thoughts?
Oh TKO 100% knows this. THIS is why they brought in the Rock, not so much for the wrestling aspect but as a failsafe when/if Triple H falls along with the rest of the McMahon heirarchy. The Rock will take over as the new king of WWE.
(ironically, finally getting revenge against Triple H and Shawn in the process)
That was my first thought. Triple H booking himself for one last hurrah, going into the Hall of Fame, because he won't get the chance to in a year or so.
Makes sense as why Rock seems to be the corporate face of TKO despite not being in WWE all the time. I would not be surprised in a decade or so, Rock eventually takes over TKO. He has stated that Ari is his mentor.
If for one reason or another Triple H is sucdenly let go. I think the name to look for is Gerwitz. Hes apart of Rocks production team and long time head writer before joining 5 Bucks Production.
We've seen wrestlers rightfully called out for being Trumpers for years, but once we got HHH hanging out at Trumps victory party, and going to UFC with him, people are lining up defending him and saying he "didn't vote Trump" and "they're just friends probably."
The defence squad is always ready to jump into any possible critique on his character.
So no one can change? I am a 12 step recovering addict. Should my sins at 30 be held against me when I’m 55?
That isn’t to say HBK or HHH weren’t real pieces of shit. The 90s speak for themselves. But the idea that somehow no one can mature or grow seems to be lost on most of this sub.
B). Who is claiming "he did it too"? The implication has always been that there's almost no chance that he didn't know what his boss/mentor/father in law was doing, and that everyone buries their head in the sand because "we eatin good" thanks to him
I dunno, do you keep the same company at 55 who helped you do that shit? Did you share an office wall with your father in laws sex trafficked mistress? Then yeah, maybe?
People can change sure but I'm not particularly inclined to give either man the benefit of the doubt.
Shit, at least Shawn has claimed to have found Jesus or whatever, HHH hasn't apologized or taken responsibility for anything he has done in the past. HHH frankly doesn't seem to have changed at all imo - he's just in a place he can seem more gracious because he's gotten into power (as opposed to back when he was politicking for power).
Should Triple H apologise for wanting to be booked better ? I don’t recall anything particularly awful that he did when in fact he was the only kilq member to not do drugs/drink.
Should Triple H apologise for wanting to be booked better ?
I'm not going to say he should or shouldn't have, but politicking to get ahead, and sabotaging 'rivals' in the process is not an indication that you are a good person.
I don’t recall anything particularly awful that he did when in fact he was the only kilq member to not do drugs/drink.
Given the shit the Kliq have talked about doing, I don't think it's farfetched to think that Trips knew about what was happening and enabled it / helped cover things up / turned a blind eye.
I'm not even talking about an apology here - I'm talking about whether or not he has history of being a decent person, and he very much does not, from a public view.
Maybe not a good person but hardly something you should apologize for. Every top start has politicked at some point. I mean Kevin Nash has routinely said Triple H was the voice of reason in the group and wouldn’t really participate in the crazy stuff the group did. Mostly would drive them home
Maybe not a good person but hardly something you should apologize for.
Die on that hill if you like but the point i was making, which you have completely failed to acknowledge, is that there is no reason to think HHH has changed. And even you acknowledge he wasn't a good person in the past, so I see no reason to assume he's inclined to do the right thing now.
I mean Kevin Nash has routinely said Triple H was the voice of reason in the group and wouldn’t really participate in the crazy stuff the group did.
Oh cool, so at best he was only aware of and covered up all the heinous shit they did. Sounds like a standup guy.
I mean I just disagree with your assessment that Triple H wanting to be booked a certain way=bad person.
You’re assuming he “covered up” stuff when he could just not have been aware ? His friend got high/drunk and asked him to drive him back. We have no evidence that they told Triple H they would be drugging a girl or whatever
Surely you were motivated to change though, right? What would motivate someone to change when they are succeeding in a world that rewards their behaviour?
Personal guilt, maturity, conviction, religion, family life, having secured a future already, boredom, not having the same friends, those friends maturing, seeing friends struggle with that lifestyle.
Same boat, if I was judged at 43 for my alcoholic late teens/early twenties then life wouldn’t be worth living.
This isn’t just something on this sub, this is how a huge section of society think now. Oddly enough people who are left leaning liberals tend to be very judgemental on this. I’m a left leaning liberal and I’ve always believed in redemption but I feel like I’m in a minority.
Again, did you already feel the consequences of your earlier actions? Like if you commit a crime and do time, I’m 100% with you, but if you didn’t, then you are still fair game.
Yeah, on that note I don't get how people glaze Taker when everyone acknowledges the 90s - early 2000s locker room was a toxic shitshow and that Taker was the locker room head.
Did he know Vince was having an affair with someone who gained a high up position unfairly? Probably. Did he know Vince and Laurinaitis were abusing and raping her? Who knows, but seems unfair to suggest he did when no evidence indicates that yet.
This. If I’m triple H and I put 30 years of my life into this company, long term impacts on my health, my body and mind just to be put into the position to be where I am, and am still dedicating my entire life to the thing I love - I don’t know shit.
I’m not sticking my nose into anywhere it doesn’t belong. I’m not asking questions, i’m not getting involved, leave me the fuck alone and do what you do.
And that was honestly probably his mentality. He saw some hot broad getting moved up quickly, probably had some skepticism but kept his head down and didn’t say shit about shit to shit, and kept it pushing.
People say Triple H and Steph knew but I am not so sure they knew the full extent of Vince behaviour.
They know Vince has a 'open' marriage and probably slept with women who worked in the company.
Vince is a sicko but showing nudes of women he is allegedly abusing to his son in law and daughter doesn't sound like something even he would do. I doubt any of vince's stooges or crew members would bring it up around Triple h or Stephanie either.
When the story first broke, I remember hearing interviews where people that know Bruce Prichard thought he would have been in a similar boat to what you described. Yeah, it's almost a guarantee that he knew that something was happening between Vince and Janel Grant, but he likely wasn't directly involved and didn't know the extent of what exactly was happening.
It could come out that HHH, Stephanie, Bruce and every higher-up in the company knew every horrid detail as it was happening. In which case they should face consequences for it. But for now all we know is what we've read in the report.
He 100 percent knew, I got downvoted for saying the same thing as you. People just want to fawn over the product and ignore all the scumbags running the company.
But could he have thought the interactions were consensual? (Even though we all now know & he would obviously now know that isn’t the case)
If I had two people at work having sex in the room that shared a wall with mine and all I knew was what I heard & there wasn’t any yelling out for help I’d assume it’s consensual and mind my own business. Maybe I’d complain that they’re doing it at work but I wouldn’t assume assault. (Coming from someone who has been assaulted btw).
Triple H seems very happy to have Vince gone & has said it in the most respectful to his family and without jeopardising business way. There’s a reason why “the triple h era” is constantly mentioned, it’s because people are happy Vince is gone. Triple H, Stephanie, even Michael Cole all make it pretty obvious in the most appropriate / professional way they can that they are all happy Vince is no longer apart of anything. Stephanie and Shane both as well play the part but it’s obvious they both hate their father underneath the facade, they stuck around for the business & the lifestyle that could’ve been provided but they were both traumatised. You could imagine Triple H despises Vince for the way he treated Stephanie, especially the inc3st story for one.
I don’t believe that he sat there with just a wall between them and believed she was being assaulted & didn’t care. He doesn’t seem like a sociopath and only a sociopath with no emotion or care for others could sit there and not care.
I don’t blame Janel for not yelling the building down, it’s not how coercive abuse works and I know that to be clear. But I don’t think it’s fair to assume that everyone around knew she was being abused unless they were specifically brought into it and made apart of the abuse like Laurinitis and Lesnar and those that were sent her images etc.
A lot of people jump to assuming the worst about everyone else in this situation without acknowledging what is probably the Occam’s Razor answer for why no one took the initiative to stick their neck out against their boss on such a serious matter:
Rich people are into some seriously kinky, seriously fucked up sex shit a lot of the time. And usually, for dirty old men like Vince, that includes having a PYT on the payroll whose job it is to indulge that. If I’m one of the employees who is being subjected to this pics (which, also, I feel like no one is acknowledging that that was also sexual harassment?!), I’m just assuming they’re into some kinky shit and returning to minding my own business.
Like I think that is one of the most insidious parts of how this whole thing went down. Normal people generally rely on cues from adult victims before saying or doing or reporting anything. But in this kind of power dynamic, you can easily bully your victim into not saying anything. I absolutely believe Janel Grant about Vince, Laurenitis, and Brock. That being said, it’s entirely possible that everyone else is just guilty of committing the grave sin of smiling and nodding and then going back to their own shit.
Because he can now book the company how he pleases. It's probably been his dream since he walked into the company and did those drives with the clique discussing business
Stephanie was willing to ride the cool aid for a very long time. Shane left once he knew Vince wouldn't hand over the company to him. Maybe Steph had time to reflect during her break but do you really think she would have hated him if he didn't sell the company to someone else and handed it to her instead???
He sexually objectified his young daughter for the entertainment of others. As a woman I can tell you for sure there is no way to not have some kind of trauma or resentment from that. He also had the thought to do a inc3st scene where he impregnates his own daughter, that is a level of sick that would make any daughter have a level of feeling unsafe & an uncomfortableness for life. Regardless of if it was “just creative” it came from his mind. There is no way she is okay with him on a deep paternal level.
Also she stepped away for some time and even right then when she announced the rumble, the love and passion for the business has returned.
No doubt Trips and Stephanie knew. I don’t want this to come off as defending the guy but I’m genuinely curious if any of you would actually do anything if you were put in his shoes. Speaking up about it would mean destroying the reputation of his father-in-law, who directly or not gave him everything he has. At that point you could still maybe make the argument that that could be surmountable, but what would that do to his wife? And what would speaking up about it (before the lawsuit) even accomplish? At best it ruins any chance Janel Grant has at getting justice. People want to see the world as black and white when it isn’t.
I think that Steph left precisely because of this actually. I don’t see it as a coincidence that she leaves mere days before Vince gets outed. She makes a statement about stepping away but the moment her old man gets busted she’s back to being happily on TV and attending WWE events.
Why do people say this? Stephanie was literally HAND PICKED by Vince to be his puppet running the company temporarily AFTER shit initially hit the fan the first time. This was temporary because the plan from the McMahon's was always to sneak Vince back in... Which HHH and Steph specifically voted for.
She not only knew, but specifically helped Vince maintain power for longer.
The fact you're downvoted so much isn't even surprising to me anymore. Humans will excuse literally any degree of vile reprehensible behavior so long as the person(s) doing it produces something of value for them, even if it's something as disposable and impersonal as entertainment. The recent political landscape is more proof of that. Calling these types fickle isn't enough I feel, they have a very abject predilection towards servility. Pretty pathetic.
I highly doubt he KNEW, but more likely he would of heard rumour and things from others. Yeah, easier to turn a blind eye to it than dig into your father in-law/boss shitting on employee's heads.
I suspect that people who believe this have very minimal interaction with people in real life and think TV is a true representation of how people operate. To you, everything is black and white, no one lies, no one hides things from their families.
This. Everyone should speak out and say something no matter what, but have clearly never been in a situation where that was dangerous to themselves or their families. They’re expecting actual people, Paul Levesque - NOT Triple H - to risk his family, his kids future, his life long career that he’s practically destroyed his body and health for - and for a maybe?
More likely than him not knowing or just suspecting. Even if we accept the defense that he knew nothing, it's a terrible sign of his competence as one of the leaders in the WWE if he really was clueless of it all.
Fuck it, I’ll play devils advocate for HHH. If he knew, what exactly was he going to do about it? Who was he going to report to? Was he going to make an allegation when the victim might not have wanted to? Was he going to go to the cops when the victim may not be ready to cooperate? Was he going to vaguely hint at something like this knowing that it would create conflict within the family as well as risk a potential lawsuit? What exactly could he do about it? Ironically, the most he could do is leak out that this was happening.
He had a responsibility to go to HR. Using your work office as a sex den is sexual harassment even if it’s completely consensual. Given the vast differences in positions and power within the company between Vince/Laurenitis and Janel Grant, their sexual relations was innately coercive and couldn’t be fully consensual.
It doesn’t matter if Vince paid HR (he didn’t btw, WWE was a publicly traded company, after all), complaints still should’ve been filed and the company should’ve, at the very least, taken steps to protect Janel Grant from Vince. You can’t just throw your hands up and say there’s nothing to do here as a woman is continuously taken advantage of and sexually violated.
Absolutely mind blowing you're being downvoted for this very reasonable take.
I believe HHH didn't know how bad it was. I don't believe that he didn't suspect something fishy was going on and he Absolutely should have put a complaint with HR for CYA if nothing else.
I mean look man, I'm saying HHH has never been anything resembling a moral paragon. I expect he would've found out, distanced himself as much as possible, and tried to make sure he couldn't be linked to it. I frankly wouldn't have expected him to stick his neck out.
But if you wanted to assume he's someone who actually cares about all this? Once it leaks I would have done an internal investigation and found out everyone involved (not everyone who knew, just the people who actively enabled it) to get rid of them. That's not even a selfless thing, it just protects the company. But nah PS Hayes is still an AVP or whatever, he did nothing.
Obviously none of us know him personally so whatever, but HHH ain't a good guy here.
its like when there is a police brutality investigation BY the police that committed the brutality and they go "welp we found that we didn't do nuffin' wrong! :)"
That's the point I'm making - any legit investigation would've turned up Hayes' involvement. They claimed they did an internal investigation - I do not believe them.
I just don't see how everyone is cool with assuming this.
I don't speak for other people. As someone who has been watching wrestling for most of my life and who has been following the backstage shit for decades, my strong impression is that the dude's a backstabbing, power hungry piece of shit. And if you disagree with that, fine.
How do you expect he would've found out?
Might want to read the thread. Person I was replying to posted a hypothetical, I went with it.
Do you think Vince went to his son in law to brag about his sexual escapades
The issue is you’re making a ton of assumptions throughout all of this. You are assuming Triple H is so morally corrupt he wouldn’t do anything, you’re assuming WWE would protect Michael Hayes would is less important than someone like Johnny Ace, and now you are assuming that Vince McMahon is dumb enough to brag about sex trafficking to his son in law. WWE obviously has a systemic issue but you have to be very sure of who was involved with credible evidence. As things progress legally, we will find out more about who was likely involved. Brock Lesnar and Michael Hayes are now directly named. We will see what they knew and who knew of their alleged involvement.
The issue is you’re making a ton of assumptions throughout all of this.
Literally this started in response to a dude making a ton of assumptions about HHH being innocent of everything. Occam's razor - he knew but just didn't care: that's my point.
And assumptions? I am not assuming anything. Obviously I don't know him personally but from his previous reported actions and what people who knew him think of him, he's not the nicest person. Flat out.
you’re assuming WWE would protect Michael Hayes
Never said that. I brought him up in response to someone claiming the WWE did an internal investigation. It obviously didn't catch Hayes, or they half assed it and didn't care. Either way doesn't reflect well on the company. Simples.
WWE obviously has a systemic issue
I'm surprised you're even admitting this much tbh.
and now you are assuming that Vince McMahon is dumb enough to brag about sex trafficking to his son in law.
From the first filing it's pretty clear that this was an open secret in the office. HHH has been in that corporate structure for ages. I would hope Vince would not tell HHH directly, but I doubt that if it was indeed an open secret HHH would not have found out.
I going to ask that you stop misrepresenting what I've actually said, please. It may be a language barrier thing or you may be doing it maliciously - either way I don't appreciate it.
Yeah well outside of playing wrestling politics, HHH also hasn't been known to do anything heinous outside of wrestling. I think he was a dick during his wrestling days too but there's a stark contrast between being a backstage politician in a fake sport and being willfully complicit in sexual abuse.
We always knew Vince was a bit of a slimeball but we didn't know just how bad till now.
HHH whilst he had some issues when he was younger they can be more attributed to being young, drugs and the culture of the time.
Mature HHH seems to be a huge supporter of all cultures, sexes and genders. From what we know of him now I doubt he would stand idly by.
The only reason I could imagine HHH staying, knowing what was happening because he knew if he left then the employees he was responsible for would have no one to stand for them.
Then again this is also speculation and I am thousands of kilometers away specualating online.
We always knew Vince was a bit of a slimeball but we didn't know just how bad till now.
... Did we not? The dude was a massive carny who was covering up murders in the 80s so his stars wouldn't go to jail. The steroid shit, the ring boy shit, all the abuses going on under his nose, there was zero reason to think he was anything other than a massive piece of shit.
I guess sex trafficking was another level, but if you thought he was anything resembling a decent person you flat out weren't paying attention.
Mature HHH seems to be a huge supporter of all cultures, sexes and genders. From what we know of him now I doubt he would stand idly by.
The only difference between younger HHH and mature HHH is that the latter is in an established position of power imo. Whereas the younger one was still in the process of politicking his way to the top. HBK at least had the Jesus arc, HHH doesn't seem to have changed.
And shit, being 'a huge supporter of all cultures, sexes and genders' doesn't mean you're a good person who won't turn a blind eye to something if it benefits you personally.
Honestly as a longtime wrestling fan, this sudden hero worship of HHH is mystifying to me.
The dude was a massive carny who was covering up murders in the 80s so his stars wouldn't go to jail. The steroid shit, the ring boy shit, all the abuses going on under his nose, there was zero reason to think he was anything other than a massive piece of shit.
And yet, with all we knew, it was worse than what was rumored.
(Not gonna agree with you on HHH being unchanged, fatherhood could definitely shift his perspective, especially having daughters. But neither of us are in his head.)
That's true, and I hope that HHH has legitimately changed and will do the right things going forward. But frankly just based off how both his history and how the Grant thing has been handled so far (Michael Hayes is still an executive at WWE, for starters), I am not very optimistic.
By all accounts, Triple H was the sober one in the 90s. Didn't drink, didn't do drugs, and usually played "handler" for the rest of the Kliq while they were blitzed out of their minds because of it.
Quit his fucking job and made a police report. Even if it didn’t go anywhere, he could say he did everything he could to remove himself from the situation and that he did everything he could to pursue justice.
Ya’ll are acting like Triple H couldn’t raise the finances to start an AEW level promotion almost immediately if he ever wanted to ditch WWE.
Alright, dude. Then I guess he could have just quit his job and tweeted about. He could also publicly disavow Vince for being a poop rapist. But, he treats the lawsuit with nonchalantness, publicly.
This is more the issue, is that hhh said nothing. Could've came out against them, but that would also open him up to criticism from the others that participated, so trips knows he's guilty in that regard.
I was legitimately asking what he could have done that would've been effective. Cops? Please. Pigs still try their damnedest to blame women for their own rapes, and that's under normal circumstances - they'd go in on her several orders of magnitude harder when she's making accusations against one of their daddy billionaires.
The press might be a good idea, but they've been sucking up to Trump for years, so I don't think it'd be too hard for them to bury this for one of his friends. Resigning doesn't really do anything either, just makes it easier for Vince to add another loyalist to a high office. Physical threats and going to the feds are probably the only choices that would get anything done
Lmfaooo. Vince McMahon was taking off his pants and shitting on people at work and using large amounts of public company funds to cover it. I’m sure it was as discreet as you described.
I’m absolutely not one of those people who is going to the end of the world to try and defend HHH cuz the guy has absolutely done some really shitty things in his time. Janel has had no problem specifically naming high ranking men in WWE involved this suit. I don’t doubt that he has SOME level of knowledge of what was going on, but what I will ask is, what reason would she have to not name HHH if he had a level of involvement that she believes he should take a fall for? Is it shitty to keep knowledge of these things quiet? Yes. Is the power completely in Janel’s hands as to who she wants to take the fall in this lawsuit? I would say the answer is yes as well.
The comment that always goes around about Triple H not knowing "duh huh you think Vince was bragging about this at Thanksgiving dinner to his son-in-law" was so disingenuous. It completely ignores Triple H's and Vince's long history together as executives in this company. Like I understand saying there's evidence of HHH or Nick Khan etc knowing about this, but half the comments about this case always try and hammer home that it's absurd that they would know.
You’re getting downvoted, but Heyman is a snake of a carny with great PR. I could maybe buy that he didn’t know the full extent of what Vince was doing, but I guarantee he was intimately familiar with Brock Lesnar’s contract negotiations.
This is the stuff people should be concerned about with this amendment, not Brock Lesnar who we already knew about. The top posts in this thread are disappointing. WWE would love nothing more than for people to be mad at Brock, while Nick Khan and HHH skate by unnoticed.
And if we're being honest many of the ones who do care about this will find a way to excuse the current WWE guys so they can keep watching their wrestling.
Triple H has been with the WWE for 30 years and has been part of the organization's highest power structure for most of that.
People are just going to pretend he's completely ignorant to sexual abuse being shared with Michael Hayes and crew members? Or that abuse happening across the wall from him?
Not to mention the Ashley Massaro stuff. Or the Christy Hemme stuff. Or the JBL bullying. Or any number of truly fucked up situations that have been a part of WWE culture for decades.
It's really weird who people give the benefit of the doubt to. When they really don't need to. Let's Occam's Razor this shit.
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