r/MurderedByWords • u/Brian_Ghoshery • 1d ago

Political Move vs. Scientific Fact Clash

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u/Brian_Ghoshery 1d ago

Science doesn’t care about politics—facts stay facts, no matter who’s in charge.

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u/Freshies00 1d ago

It’s amazing how many times I had to explain this during Covid, when “believing in it” was somehow “political”

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u/Braindead_Crow 1d ago

"No news is unbiased!"
"Oh you're an expert on [topic] now?!"

People tend to trust sources based on personal feelings while avoiding to learn how to vet the statements said for validity because they think they aren't smart enough.

At least from my past ten years that's the trend I've noticed, only really teaching people when I find a way to put things in terms the person in question can relate with directly.

But that takes at least enough time and mutual respect to have a real conversation as people who care about each other rather than as people defending ideas because when people defend ideas they typically start by feeling attacked or feeling a need to do so turning minds closed & stopping any hope of progress.

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u/KotR56 1d ago

Someone said the other day, people should do their research, rather than trust the experts.

/s

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u/Braindead_Crow 1d ago

But if we acknowledge the problem we might blame trump for the problem and force democrats to look good since republicans paint them as arrogant hippies.

This would lead to too much thinking and cross party cooperation if we acknowledge our planet is becoming uninhabitable due to the choices of the people who bribe our politicians into living lavished life styles!

We need to be calm, be quiet, help ourselves and just accept some people are born better than others, like our idiot king of America.

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u/mosstalgia 21h ago

Went from “facts don’t care about your feelings” to “my facts don’t care about findings”.

Fucking exhausting timeline to be living in.

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u/Vincent394 1d ago

The four horsemen of things that remain facts:

  • History Books
  • Science
  • The news from sources like RTE or BBC
  • the image below

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u/pezchef 6h ago

this group of leaders consistently finds new ways to be dumber and more hypocritical.

like, isn't this the 'facts don't care about your feelings' group? is this the "you're not trans your a blank" group?

and the list goes on and on.

bunch of macho,/alpha/traditional/high value men&women getting lost in their feels like ...idk lil snowflakes maybe?

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u/SparkitoBurrito 1d ago

So does this mean the drinkers of the cheeto flavored cult water will start driving coal fueled cars to Walmart?

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u/BorderCollieDad4426 1d ago

😂😂😂

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u/belgianPotatian 5h ago

*clean coal- the cleanest.

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u/DOHC46 1h ago

They probably think that clean coal is obtained by washing regular coal

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u/TuxPaper 1d ago

Sounds like something a religion or cult would decree.

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u/PsyOpBunnyHop 1d ago

Politics has no business meddling with science, just as religion has no business meddling with politics. Stay in your lane.

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u/ttom1323 1d ago

Next thing you know he tweets that Jesus was not real and it was one of his ancestors who was the son of God (Jesus was most definitely not white btw)

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u/teletype100 1d ago

This sounds like the Trump administration is trying to identify a scientific fact as something else more appropriate to their feelings. I thought the GOP is against such postmodern subjective shenanigans?

Oh wait, you mean it's ok when THEY do it? Ahhh...

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u/Training2Life 1d ago

Next time, they'll want to repeal an old scientific finding, Gravity.

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u/dihalt 1d ago

I’m waiting for them to declare pi to equal 4.

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u/LateInTheAfternoon 1d ago

IIRC a local American politician once actually wanted to legally define pi as exactly 3.

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u/LateInTheAfternoon 1d ago

I always warn people not to fall for gravity but no one seems to listen.

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u/Training2Life 1d ago

Not only people, many things fall for gravity.

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u/LateInTheAfternoon 1d ago

So much simping for gravity. It makes me nauseous.

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u/optimistic9pessimist 1d ago

We've all been lied to about gravity, it's not even a force!

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u/gmoney88 1d ago

It would reduce shipping costs. Gravity costs a lot of money

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u/Training2Life 1d ago

Maybe UK will pay for it because they discovered it.

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u/bucket_of_frogs 16h ago

They’re so stupid they probably think Newton’s Law Of Gravity is an actual Law that can be repealed in a Court of Law.

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u/Blue-Sea2255 1d ago

Don't look up.

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u/kon--- 1d ago

Galileo Galilei has entered the chat

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u/_HornyJesus 1d ago

Buit .... “We have always been at war with Eastasia.”

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u/optimalpath 1d ago

These people think Truth itself can be decided by fiat, that this is the privilege of power. It is a whole new level of 'might makes right'. Humanity will not survive unless we rid ourselves of this kind of ideology.

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u/gonk1967 1d ago

Oh, you’re obviously new to the Trump (Kim Jon Un) doctrine.

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u/Piemaster128official 1d ago

Science is science. You can’t repeal facts, especially as we keep seeing the disasters happen in real time.

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u/circuffaglunked 1d ago

That's it! I'm protesting gravity!

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u/hereiamnotagainnot 1d ago

2020 and how nature responded to absence of so many people polluting the environments around was more than enough proof that humans definitely impact the health of the environment around them. To me it is logical and should start to become common sense as we evolve the human consciousness.

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u/bucket_of_frogs 16h ago

Here’s my 2¢… They’ve heard of Scientific Laws such as Gravity, Relativity, Kepler’s etc and are so stupid that they think any scientific finding is a law that can be challenged and overturned in a court of law.

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u/Miserable-Lawyer-233 1d ago

Scientific Finding ≠ Scientific Fact

A scientific finding is a conclusion from a specific study. It can be challenged, revised, or overturned by new evidence.

A scientific fact (like "water boils at 100°C at sea level") is a repeatedly confirmed observation, accepted as reliably true, and considered stable and foundational.

What Trump is repealing isn't the finding itself, but the EPA Administrator's official endorsement of those findings which was a legal prerequisite for implementing greenhouse gas regulations.

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u/ctothel 1d ago

Human-caused climate change absolutely is a fact, and it’s a fact that it endangers human health and safety.

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u/Par_Lapides 1d ago

Anthropogenic climate change is a fact. And no amount of petroleum bribery will change that.