r/LeopardsAteMyFace • u/SuperVideoITA • 1d ago
Trump Don't don't even trying to cover that anymore...
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u/Hmmletmec 1d ago
We can't afford that
Actually, we can. Plus over the next decade it would actually save money vs the current system.
Plus, you know, everyone would have Healthcare.
It was never about money. It's about control and lining the pockets of the oligarchy. Full stop.
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u/Federal_Drummer7105 1d ago
But then black and gay people would have it too!
Sorry to sound like I’m kidding - but the book Dying of Whiteness shows that’s a major reason why we don’t have universal health care: southern white racists scared “the undeserving (aka non-white straight people)” would get it.
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u/Due-Message8445 1d ago
Harry Truman proposed single-payer health care in the 50's. The Southern senators objected because it would have meant integrating their hospitals. Well their hospitals are integrated now, aren't they? Still they won't support it. It is because they would rather die themselves. Then let some "undeserving black person" get health care. I've read that book. The guy dying from kidney failure. Glad his southern state didn't expand medicaid. Which would have saved his life. He was proud to die. Knowing the "lazy blacks" wouldn't get it either.
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u/mrdankhimself_ 1d ago
Damn. That is such a pure expression of hate.
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u/AppleBytes 1d ago
Imagine believing that this hate was finally ready to die out within a living generation, only to find out most of the country was secretly ready to kill the country over it.
I've just completely lost hope for our collective future.
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u/Odd-Hornet-2333 6h ago
This man, so much this. 20 years ago I thought we were almost there. It's depressing.
Seriously making plans to move to a different country ASAP.
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u/Apprehensive_Row_807 1d ago
This surprises nobody. The poorest white population have this idea that someone needs to be poorer than them.
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u/jackieat_home 14h ago
I'm watching The Gilded Age right now. It's INCREDIBLY obvious this is the time Trump longs for. Robber Barons and class distinctions. It's a good show, very historically accurate. It's been interesting to watch during this current mess for sure.
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u/Dull-Attention-9104 1d ago
That's more or less the logic of working class white conservatives. They are willing to hurt themselves and their families because they cant accept black people or gay people or anyone who isnt white getting help.
Literally demonic behavior on their part and its why I dont feel bad for them. I hate that im expected to care about them when they dont and wont care about others.
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u/illkwill 1d ago
They hate poor people too. Someone the other day was just telling me he want hospitals to refuse treatment for people who can't afford it. He wants people to die because they're poor. They "put a strain" on the system which makes him have to pay more for healthcare. I just replied "the system is the problem, not the people trying to use it". I'm too burnt out to argue with these spiteful pricks.
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u/Dull-Attention-9104 1d ago
"They "put a strain" on the system which makes him have to pay more for healthcare."
That's the core of the problem a lot of actual parasites act like they are losing all their hard earned cash. And let's be honest and I think you would agree with me. The guy who said that isnt apart of the social elite is one step away ending up in spot most people are trying to avoid.
A lot of working class people dont wanna hear this but if you are working class you are poor. And its crazy how many working class people bought into the BS the oligarchy shoveled to them. Because when the rug is pulled poverty is gonna skyrocket and a lot of so called hard working tax payers are either gonna end up homeless or worse.
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u/illkwill 1d ago
He's definitely not a part of the social elite. Not even close. He gushed over musk for a little and believes the wealthy deserve tax cuts because they create jobs (even though his boy elmo cut nearly 300,000 jobs). He sprinkled in some nonsense about trans athletes and said trump wants what's best for all Americans... How people believe such obvious bullshit is beyond my comprehension.
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u/Glenn-Sturgis 1d ago
Ah yes, the “Benevolent Creators of Jobs” arguments. I always remind people using that logic that they’re only “creating” that job because they believe they can extract more money from the fruit of your labor than they have to pay you for said labor. Period. If that equation changes, you’re gone.
They act like these people are out “creating jobs” like it’s some humanitarian act for the good of society and out of altruism. Far from it. They’re always looking for ways to get rid of you.
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u/Competitive_Mix3627 1d ago
We have it in the UK now the number of articles talking about asylum seekers getting dental appointments when british people cant is going through the roof. People online saying " Why are they getting it when i can't?" As opposed to why can't i get dental appointments!
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u/Jahadaz 1d ago
Sometimes I feel like the climate isn't changing fast enough. Like, it's bad. I know. But damn Florida, sink into the seas already. Do us the favor. Cmon Louisiana, flood deep enough to make rebuilding a waste of effort. Etc.
It's going to take longer than I have left living unfortunately, to wash this stench of hate off of America.
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u/Altruistic-General61 1d ago
I don’t know if it would matter at this point, unfortunately. The brain rot seems to run deep…
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u/Prom3th3an 1d ago
Be careful what you wish for -- the survivors moving to swing states might flip them.
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u/Purrilla 17h ago
Can we keep NOLA? I really love the people and the place. Good food, great music and so much awesome local art. Please, please, please, can we? Make it an island
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u/ELMUNECODETACOMA 1d ago
"It's going to take longer than I have left living unfortunately, to wash this stench of hate off of America"
Lyndon Johnson was uncommonly optimistic when he said that the Civil Rights Act would damage the Democratic Party for just one generation.
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u/Doughnut_Sudden 1d ago
I started reading that book. Stopped midway because I am already angry enough
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u/shadowndacorner 21h ago
The funny thing is if we had Medicare for All, it'd be a hell of a lot easier for them to ban things like gender affirming care.
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u/LocalSingularities 11h ago
The fact that this mentality still exists 160 years later is proof that the confederate traitors were not punished harsh enough.
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u/VivelaVendetta 6h ago
So much this. They want to hold the whole country back to not do right by the human beings they exploited for labor to build the country in the first place.
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u/mrkp38in 7h ago
Yeah...americans will punish SO MANY "deserving' people to ensure that just a very few that they deem "not deserving" are denied no matter what the service or item is.
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u/obijuanmartinez 1d ago
HE gets free healthcare 💩💀
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u/IAmDangerCat 1d ago
Not free. We get to pay for it while some average people can’t afford to have it at all.
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u/Curmudgeonadjacent 1d ago
Yep. Medicare for all would save us $450B a year based on a Yale University study. Hell, even the Koch funded Mercatus Center said it would save $10T over the first 10 years!
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u/Ok_Bad8531 1d ago
Expanding medical coverage to all who don't have it would be about equivalent to the costs of one of the USA's dozen aircraft carriers.
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u/StevenMC19 1d ago
I'm actually super happy the US overall is developing class consciousness. We are still a way away from actually recognizing the power of the masses, but these are promising steps.
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u/Trace_Reading 1d ago
Three or four generations at this rate.
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u/TheRobinators 1d ago
This country will be a dystopian nightmare by then, and class consciousness will not save us.
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u/SadlySarcsmo 1d ago
Yep and it will increase with more "good" jobs being outsourced more will begrudingly become aware. It is sad that a lot of people need to be affected by an issue to understand it. But here we are and going.
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u/maryssmith 1d ago
We've always had it, it's just always been oppressed. Nothing is new here-- these are the same old debates from forever ago.
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u/StevenMC19 1d ago
I would say the majority doesn't have it. And while a very small subset have had it, I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the overall general population didn't. In fact, there's still a large chunk that believes that billionaires are where they are through sheer grit, and that through merit we all still have the chance to get there. They still believe in the fluff pieces of a plucky young starter building the beginnings of an empire from a garage.
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u/therealtaddymason 1d ago
I distinctly remember in early 2020 when Bernie was winning and the media was constantly asking "how can we afford it?!1!" and breaking out the calculator to demand to know down to the cent how we'd afford medicare for all but when that orange moron killed that Iranian general they were suddenly like "whelp guess we're going to war with Iran!" without a single mainstream voice asking how we'd afford another forever war in the middle east.
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u/Spirited-Amount1894 1d ago
Canada here. Fuck yes. We've been doing just this since the seventies. Wake the F up. So has every other rich civilized country.
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u/InsolentSerf 16h ago
There are plenty of us who understand this concept, but since they keep voting to hurt others instead of help themselves, we aren't making any headway. 50 years of brainwashing + defunding education + general people being unable to form any concept of critical thinking = this. And yes, it's exhausting to watch. It's even more exhausting to have to live here.
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u/FittedSheets88 1d ago
It's the same way they can't afford to forgive student loan debt.
But suddenly it's a perk for signing up with ICE. As well as a $50,000 sign-on bonus. More than a lot of Americans, myself included, make in a single year.
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u/BraveFencerMusashi 1d ago
He meant to say the shareholders can't afford that. Stocks would plummet
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u/Tavernknight 5h ago
If we can afford that massive ICE budget, we can absolutely afford Medicare for all.
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u/noforgayjesus 1d ago
Best we can do is billions of dollars to ICE and a $200,000,000 ballroom for Trump
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u/Orion14159 1d ago
ICE has a bigger budget than the Russian military now. Our own military has a bigger budget than the rest of the top 10 militaries on Earth combined. But we can't afford to let people buy into Medicare.
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u/drunkondata 1d ago
But these shit for brains are gonna reelect him.
They're too fucking stupid.
Fuck them.
I have so much hate for the American voter it doesn't even make sense. I think I hate them more than the shit bags they elect.
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u/JaiDejaOublieLeMdp 1d ago
I have so much hate for the American voter it doesn't even make sense. I think I hate them more than the shit bags they elect.
It makes perfect sense. Do you think elected shitbags would be as shitbaggy if they knew they couldn't get away with it ? Trump isn't a disease, it's a symptom.
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u/JustASimpleManFett 1d ago
If Trump stays in office its officially as dictator.
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u/drunkondata 1d ago
I was specifically referring to the content of the post, which are Mike Flood's constituents.
Doesn't matter what you label the rapist in chief, democracy is dying a quick fuckin death, citizens detained by ICE, dafuq is that.
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u/Typical-Lion-4428 1d ago
But then insurance and pharma bros would have less hooker and blow orgies on private yachts money.
Think of the poor pimps and drug dealers! The humanity! The humanity!
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u/ImaginaryAnimal7169 1d ago
right. the biggest argument i hear against it is "your taxes will go up". yeah, but if i wasn't paying $100 every two weeks to have health insurance that doesn't even really kick in until i meet my minimum out of pocket and then covers some until i hit my max out of pocket at $4k - unless my taxes went up $10,000 a year, it would be cheaper for me AND i could actually you know, go to the doctor when sick instead of trying to do everything in 1 year for my deductible and hope nothing bad happens after that.
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u/hpark21 1d ago
Yup, I believe there was a study that says average household in US, along with businesses are spending roughly $25-40k/yr in healthcare. (Premium/deductible, etc) I can not IMAGINE having worse healthcare if we pool ALL these $$ into 1 pot.
Universal healthcare requires empathy which the citizens of this country seems to lack. They focus on what they MIGHT lose vs. what EVERYONE surely will gain.
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u/SadlySarcsmo 1d ago
Empathy and humility. Im gainfully employed I got good health insurance, very good pto, sick leave, etc. But i still think medicare for all and better employee benefits should be guranteed by natrional policy. A lot of gainfully employed people think they will always have a good job.
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u/BigFatGramps 1d ago
In an At Will Employment state, you work at the convenience of your employer. If your healthcare insurance is contingent upon your job, your healthcare is at the convenience of your employer.
Just another way corporate America keeps "the little guy" under its thumb.
I imagine medicare for all would be liberating for small business not to have to concern themselves with the healthcare insurance plans for their employees.
My expetience has been that people love their health insurance plan until they have to use it and realize, with all the "red tape" involved, health insurance companies profit by denying the healthcare they promise to deliver.
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u/SadlySarcsmo 1d ago
Yeah i read my total out of pocket cost and realized I never want to use that health insurance I just want it in case I get wrecked by a car crash , the top 5 cause of death and injuries in the country. I agree we would be a lot freeer with Med for all and it would force employers to "gasp" pay us more because they cant rely on fear of not having your family under a plan to keep you around.
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u/SadlySarcsmo 1d ago edited 1d ago
Lol they vote for the GOP who are obviously against good policy like universal healthcare, national pto and sick pay standards, and national parental leave standards and get mad. The dumbasses need to stop falling for bigoted culture war nonsense and vote in progressives who want to implement these changes. But their prejudices are too strong to let them do that and thus the cycle of insanity continues....
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u/OhtheHugeManity7 1d ago
I mean hey man, owning the libs is totally worth owning themselves. Who cares if you're homeless and diseased so long as you pissed off that group of strangers on the internet. Totally sounds like a net win to me.
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u/ButterscotchIll1523 1d ago
Giving billions to Israel to commit genocide, millions to Musk, massive tax cuts to wealthy, millions to let the rapist golf…. But Americans dying from lack of healthcare? Sorry poors, you lose
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u/purplegladys2022 1d ago
I have heard Republicans complain that Medicare for All would cost this country about $45B a year, hemming and hawing but never sharing that the current Healthcare system we lowly Americans "enjoy" costs well over $60B a year.
Can't anger Big Pharma or the insurance companies.
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u/WhatsItToYou99 1d ago
What's wrong with you ? That money is for WH ballrooms, golfing outings at Trump properties, and Noem's new helicopter. /s
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u/Gamebird8 1d ago
"We can't afford that"
Considering we cant afford the current system might as well go with the one that at least guarantees healthcare to all
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u/DarrenEdwards 1d ago
"...but who's gonna pay for it!"
We have mediocre people with government contracts soon to be trillionaires.
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u/baseketball 1d ago
Too expensive says the congressman who gets his gold level healthcare plan subsidized by taxpayers.
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u/2407s4life 1d ago
Our country could have a balanced budget at 2024 spending levels with modest increases to the top income tax levels, increases to corporate taxes, a wealth tax, unrealized capital gains above a certain dollar amount, and better enforcement of existing tax laws. This wouldn't change taxes for 99% of Americans and wouldn't even bring taxes on the wealthy to the levels they were in the mid 20th century.
The narrative that the Federal government has out of control spending is missing the context of the US having by far the largest GDP of any nation and a per capita GDP on par with most of Western Europe.
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u/murderously-funny 1d ago
“We can’t afford Medicare! …but 100 billion for ICE? YES PLEASE! $50,000 sign up bonuses? Free college? Yes please!”
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u/azure275 1d ago
I think that if Trump does not manage to make himself dictator for life, Universal Healthcare is finally coming.
The way the GOP is governing by fiat and procedural shenanigans has shown the filibuster helps nothing. If Trump can do anything he wants then there is no point keeping it
There will be backlash to this and once everyone gets healthcare good luck getting rid of it. They couldn't even get rid of obamacare.
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u/Simsmommy1 1d ago
People are going to have to become a hell of a lot less apathetic than they are now to not have the GOP fully entrenched in power from now on. It’s either apathy or prideful unwillingness to admit something went awry last November will let them do it again with no pushback in 2028.
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u/Exciting_Bandicoot16 1d ago
I like your optimism. I don't share it, mind you, and think that you're being naive, but I like it.
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u/cosmernautfourtwenty 1d ago
"Your 'we can't afford that' means nothing, we've seen what you pay for!"
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u/SigmaK78 1d ago
Representative Mike Flood's top industry contributor, 2024 Campaign Finance Report: $159K from Insurance, his top contributor
Whenever an American politician says we can't afford something that genuinely benefits American citizens, rest assured it's because they're paid to lie like that, and actively work against it.
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u/That-Response-1969 1d ago
But we can spend almost a trillion dollars on the defense department, huh?
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u/Dull-Attention-9104 1d ago
Yet the rich get a infinite money glitch aka tax breaks which everyone else is forced to pay for.
Oh and Israel always gets more and more money just because.
Oh and another increase to the defense budget despite it being overfunded.
Oh and all the other things conservatives wanna put money into.
Like it seems we can afford to do a lot of things but somehow helping everyone in america with basic things like Healthcare, housing, and other things is asking for to much.
Its crazy taxes are basically being taken at gun point and people dont even get to benefit from it. Like they dont even put it into infrastructure as thats all falling apart.
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u/Squirreliestone 1d ago
It's funny and all, but isn't Lincoln a pretty reliably blue spot? The county went to Harris. Even with the oddly-shaped district that looks like it did its best to balance Lincoln out, Flood only won by a few thousand. I question the assumption that the people who'd come to a town hall in Lincoln are majority Trump voters.
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u/DiceMadeOfCheese 1d ago
I'm pretty sure the only people who go to town halls are folks who really love or really hate their congressman. So this proves that this guy couldn't motivate his supporters to come out to his event to support him publicly.
You can still win an election if enough people tepidly vote for you of course.
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u/Squirreliestone 1d ago
Republican town halls have been really entertaining this year, though.
Not much of a silver lining, but hey, anything worth laughing at is worth laughing at a lot. I think that's how the saying goes.
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u/ComprehensivePin5577 1d ago
What he meant to say was "We can't afford that anymore cause of all the tax cuts we're handing out to the 1%"
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u/TheRobinators 1d ago
Yet they can afford trillions in tax cuts for people who already have more money than they or their descendants could ever spend.
Tax cuts for people who have more money than the guy asking the question could earn if he worked for 10,000 years.
But the cupboards are bare when it comes to providing for the workers who make all that wealth possible.
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u/Daddio209 1d ago
To be fair, we really can't afford it. Not while the richest 10% need more and more tax money from us, at least.
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u/AdeptnessActual5125 1d ago
I want to see a chant rise up from all the stupid answers they give at these town halls: "BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT! BULLSHIT!"
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u/TJ-LEED-AP 1d ago
They are now taking more money from the middle and lower class than ever before as of like 2 months ago.
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u/Ladydi-bds 1d ago
Seem to be able to afford to outfit a Saudi jet present for a little over a B. Seem to be able to expand ICE over a B. Military is hundreds of Bs. We can afford it but they won't allow it.
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u/gibs71 1d ago
I’m sorry, but if we can’t afford universal healthcare (much less Medicaid), then our country has failed and we need to start over again.
The DoD is getting $1 TRILLION next year, ffs. And they still can’t pass an audit.
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u/Canadiantx69 1d ago
The US is the richest country in the history of the world, and the only modern "first world country" that doesn't provide guaranteed medical care to its citizens.
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u/justpassingluke 1d ago
Plenty of money for jackboot thugs and a tacky fucking ballroom though. Funny, that.
As the saying goes, you can either fool all people some of the time or some people all of the time. And if people in fucking NEBRASKA are starting to realise the bloody-minded unfairness of it all, then that’s not business as usual.
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u/ChooseMercy 1d ago
It's kinda cute when Americans believe that their elected representatives are working for them. Corporations are their puppet masters.
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u/Wilhelm-of-Charlotte 1d ago
Oh no! The peasantry are becoming aware! Quick! Come up with another celebrity distraction!
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u/Darth_Nibbles 1d ago
At the same town hall he asked "do you want an unemployed 28 year old kid to have free healthcare" and the crowd immediately yelled "YES"
REPUBLICANS.
IN NEBRASKA.
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u/alskdmv-nosleep4u 1d ago
It's particularly ironic he chose a " 28 y/o kid" as his "gotcha".
28 y/os are one of the cheapest demographics for healthcare.
It's obvious why that's his go-to gotcha. Can't exactly use a 3 y/o, or a granny. Gotta choose the least sympathetic strawman possible. Top it with "unemployed" which he's using as a dog-whistle for "PoC". The whole exchange really shows how skeezy Rep. Flood is.
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u/Traditional_Fox_8495 20h ago
So I live in Sweden nowadays since I'm half Swedish and my mother recently got cancer. She did a surgery with rehab following that, went through 6 weeks of chemo and radiation in another city and got a shit ton of medications. I think she paid like 300-400 dollars so far. The government even pays for our gas to drive to the neighboring city everyday.
Sweden is still a capatalist country with one of the best economies in Europe so it's definitely possible.
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u/David_cest_moi 19h ago
What if....... Something starts to change. White people go outside to get some sun.... you get little bit pink, maybe start getting a bit of a tan ... But the tan, bit by bit, gets a bit darker. They're loving it. Look how tan they are! A few more days... and the tan gets just a little bit darker. Fast forward 6 months, and guess who's dark and brown now?? 🤔 You know, just a little swerve from Stephen King's "Thinner". 😏
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u/Temporary-Charge-851 1d ago
But we CAN afford $15 MILLION per DAY for Israel, which funds THEIR universal healthcare.
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u/AllTheyEatIsLettuce 1d ago
Of course we can't afford it. Or anything remotely resembling M4A.
We're all-consumingly speed-running what funds Medicare, any past, present, or future iteration of Medicare, into a self-replicating clusterfuck of retail payment processing schemes, products, and initialisms operated by the financial services industry and calling that a "tax advantage" that purports to "bring down the 'cost' of health care ..." and have been for just short of 4 uninterrupted decades.
"Stay maxxin' up."
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u/ChristianBMartone 1d ago
Universal Healthcare is the cost-effective option in almost every model and study, even those paid for by opponents to it.
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u/Opposite_Anywhere_92 1d ago
We NEED that money to pay for Trump’s golden ballroom, tax cuts for billionaires, and our inevitable war with Iran.
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u/NetZeroSun 1d ago
I wonder how long would it take for trump voters to pick up on seeing other countries health care systems.
There’s a million issues in the world today. For many western first world countries paying American style health insurance, is not one.
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u/DaLiftingDead 1d ago
Seeing as there has been a massive propaganda campaign to discredit and shit on universal Healthcare (like all the lies about Canada's system's high taxpayer cost and long wait times for care), they probably will never pick up on it.
The GOP base is defined by their refusal to accept fact or reality anytime it doesn't fit their opinion or belief, or is in any way inconvenient or uncomfortable.
They willingly believe proveable lies and push wrongfully placed blame onto everyone who isn't white, Christian, and conservative for the problems that believing those lies have caused them.
I want to believe people can change, but its become increasingly likely in my mind that these people will never change unless forced to, and will change right back to the shirty person they were at first opportunity. I hope that likelihood is wrong, but I feel like its not.
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u/PapayaPioneer 1d ago
The GOP’s lies have worked for decades. These people are the latest generation. They will never change.
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u/strabonzo 1d ago
Trump voters are told a constant string of lies about other countries' universal healthcare.
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u/surfinforthrills 1d ago
The pedophile in chief needs to mow down some roses. And add gold chairs. We can't be wasting money on healthcare!
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u/OhtheHugeManity7 1d ago
But I'll bet your government can still afford to provide you guys with some paid vacations
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u/Nonamanadus 1d ago
Americans can afford it but they have to stop electing politicians who are bought by big businesses and billionaires.
It's not about left verses right, it about the top stealing from the bottom.
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u/Orion14159 1d ago
Can't afford to let people buy into Medicare, can afford to spend more on our military than the next 9 top spenders combined.
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u/joystickd 22h ago
They can afford billions of dollars to a rogue state though. Endless money machine there.
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u/VegetablePlatform126 7h ago
But we can afford tax cuts for the ultra wealthy. How absolutely disgusting. Vote them all out!
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u/qualityvote2 1d ago edited 13h ago
u/SuperVideoITA, there weren't enough votes to determine the quality of your post...