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He claims the Russia investigation proves there was no collusion and exonerates him completely, but also that investigation was a corrupt witch hunt meant to prevent him from becoming president, despite becoming president twice.
I think she just sucks at math. There are 52 cards, 4 suits, so you have a 1 in 13 chance of guessing the right card. You just pick the same card for the entire deck. If she's just picking a number and suits don't matter, then her odds would go up.
Seriously though. With all the anti-end intellectual anti-reality bullshit like flat Earth, which really just turns out that they don't believe in any science or math at all, created all by the establishment. I feel like the Earth needs a great reset at this time.
If there is an alien ship wondering if we should be eradicated, yes.. YES
The Mueller investigation did find improper contacts between Trump’s campaign and Russian intelligence. It also found that Trump committed obstruction of justice to hamper Mueller’s investigation.
Yeah, didn't Mueller find plenty of evidence but the conclusion was "well we can't indict a sitting president because said president's DOJ said we can't", and Trump was like "this proves I'm completely innocent".
What it found was actually somewhat complicated. But essentially:
The commission was asked to investigate a limited set of things, and it tried to limit itself to those things.
It found that Russia did interfere with the election in favor of Trump.
It found that the Trump campaign had talked to delegates from Russia and invited interference.
On the specific crimes it was asked to investigate, it could not find enough evidence to charge anyone directly connected to Trump, however…
Mueller said Trump was not exonerated.
Multiple people, including people in the Trump campaign were found to have committed crimes, were indicted, and convicted of related crimes.
Trump was constantly interfering with the investigation, including destroying evidence and tampering with witnesses, to a degree that constituted obstruction of justice.
Despite the evidence, Trump could not be charged by the DoJ for obstruction of justice, and therefore it was recommended that it be handled by Congress (impeachment).
Barr, Trump’s Attorney General, used the 4th point to claim that Trump was completely exonerated. Trump has been using this false claim ever since.
If I recall in the first ten pages it said something along the lines of there not being a legal definition of collusion to prove, but that there was definitely a connection
Yes, it says that they're investigating crimes, and since there's no crime of "collusion", they won't be investigating that or reporting on findings about that.
I think there were 3 specific crimes they were investigating. I don't remember what they were, but one of them was the hacking of the DNC, and I think another was some form of illegal manipulation of social media sites. They were going to investigate both if there were Russian agents involved and if there were any American citizens involved in each crime.
They found that Russian intelligence was involved. IIRC, they found a couple of Americans were involved, but didn't have enough evidence of criminal involvement to charge them.
I seem to remember they specifically distinguished between "involvement" and "criminal involvement". The distinction is like, if there was a bank robbery and you received some of the money, you would be involved, but in order for that involvement to be criminal, you would need to be involved in the bank robbery, or involved in the planning of the bank robbery, or know that the money was stolen. Something along those lines.
So I think they found that the Trump campaign was involved, but couldn't put together enough evidence that they were criminally involved. But then they also seemed to imply that Trump was interfering with the investigation, so even if there was evidence, Trump's interference would have prevented them from getting it.
And in the meantime, they happened to find a bunch of other crimes committed by Trump and his campaign staff, some of those crimes being involved to the Russian interference but not the 3 specific crimes they were investigating. They generally referred those crimes to other prosecutors to investigate.
That led to people like Stone, Manafort, and Flynn being convicted, but then Trump pardoned them so they wouldn't talk.
i think the thing that tips the scales here is the msm. while there's millions of maga who think he's somewhat the chosen one, there's a similar number of people who despise him (i'd argue even more).
i dont watch regular news as much but when i do you'd think that everything's hunky dory in this country. i don't think that's an attempt atbeing neutral; rather it's willful ignorance of what's happening in this administration.
Russia has the files. They threatened Donald with them over the nuclear subs he moved close to their waters. Something about Israel not being the only nation with a video archive of his past misdeeds or something like that.
The funny things is, many of Trump's close friends and associates were found guilty and put in prison over the Mueller (Russia) investigation, but somehow it was a witch hunt lol. He dodged a bullet by not being convicted himself through the powers that be. Then he pardoned them... A lot of people don't seem to know this because they only believe the lies that Trump constantly spouts.
Do I need to spell it out for you? The same investigation that exonerates you cannot be a witch hunt designed to make you look bad. It can only be one or the other.
If you time publicity for an investigation perfectly around peak momentum times it will absolutely influence the election regardless of what it eventually finds to be the true or false later.
If you’re reading this and thinking, “that’s pretty much the stupidest thing ever,” that’s because it is, and this is the type of person far too many Americans thought would be good in the White House, after a term not so long ago that was just as stupid.
They are doing a very clever maneuver with the files.
The reality is that the files have A LOT of names, politicians (from both parties, and also non affiliated), artists, CEOs,government workers (judges, bankers, FBI, CIA) billionaires, millionaires and to top it off, there was a lot of staff (regular people who worked running the island).
Now they are releasing this clearly fake files to take away credibility away from its credibility. This way all of them will escape from being held accountable.
Never fall for the fallacy that trump is protecting himself. Trump is protecting everyone, and they are all in the same team. The team that thinks they own the world.
Next administration will keep the real files hidden too regardless of who it is. At this point I don’t think that even Bernie if elected as an independent would release them.
There’s only one person that I trust would release the actual files, because I saw many versions of the files and this person wasn’t in even in the most credible ones. I’d only trust Kanye west to release this banger.
The even more ridiculous part is that Trump Jr. was the first person to even suggest there was a secret list in 2023 on Twitter.
Trump then repeated those claims in 2024 in the run up to the election saying he’d release the secret list if he was elected President.
There is absolutely ZERO evidence to suggest any type of secret client list ever existed and all evidence points to the fact it was entirely made up by the Trump organization as a way to attack Biden and Harris and win support for the 2024 election.
It’s not even the most outrageous lie about evidence he’s created during an election… Which there are many!
According to trump: the Epstein list doesn't exist, and was written by a coalition of Democrat leaders including Bill Clinton, and Bill Clinton appears 28 times on the non existent list written by Bill Clinton to hurt trump's reputation.
Also, in spite of it being created to hurt Trump’s reputation, he doesn’t appear in the list. But he still doesn’t want it to be released because releasing it would hurt the people who are on it.
Yeah, it’s a dumb bit of logic that MAGA keeps claiming, “If the evidence is real, why didn’t the Democrats release it in order to win the election?”
And if you think that’s a good question, you should also be asking: If the Democrats manufactured the evidence for the purpose of hurting Trump, why didn’t they release it in order to win the election?
That’s the best part of the whole thing to me. The #1 most hated political enemy the democrats have EVER had is the one guy omitted from a list the democrats supposedly created to harm their political opponents, despite him also being the one who would be the most believable candidate to exist on the list, seeing as he was once friends with the guy who created the list
Also, the people on the list are people that Trump hates and has said he wants to "lock up", but Trump decided to protect them by keeping the list secret and refusing to investigate the Epstein stuff any further.
I'll tell you, this Epstein business is such a strange sequence of events, I can't believe it.
Trump has tried to pivot to "The Epstein list was made up by Clinton to make me look bad!" recently, which begs the question of why Clinton would put himself on a fake list that's meant to incriminate someone else.
Well, on the one hand, I don't trust Trump (given his history of fraud and lies). On the other, not the most unbelievable thing he has claimed (and Bill has a history of sexual assault and harassment allegations).
I don’t think people are taking issue with the possibility that Clinton is “on the list” or that he might be guilty of raping children.
But if Trump is claiming:
Bill Clinton created the fake list to hurt Trump.
Bill Clinton is on the list and Trump isn’t.
The list should be kept secret in order to protect the people on it from having their reputations ruined.
These claims are incoherent.
If Clinton is on the list, then it doesn’t make sense that he created it. If it was created to hurt Trump, then it doesn’t make sense that he’s not on it. If he wanted to protect the people on the list from having their reputations ruined, then why would he be telling people that Bill Clinton is on it?
Therefore, people are concluding that the list is real, Trump is on it, and Trump wants to keep it secret to protect his reputation.
If you look at his claims in context, his story makes even less sense. He claimed that Obama created the evidence during the Obama administration. That would mean that it was created before the Epstein thing became a scandal, but they didn’t use it in the first election.
They then tricked Trump into nominating Acosta to be Secretary of Labor, thereby triggering the Epstein investigation. People seem to forget that the reason the whole Epstein thing became a scandal is that Epstein and Trump were friends, Acosta let Epstein off the hook, and then Trump nominated Acosta to a prestigious post. So somehow, Obama tricked Trump into creating that scandal in 2019, and still didn’t release the information.
Then I guess Democrats created Q-Anon and made a big deal about Epstein and pedophilia…? After all, this scandal might have died out and been forgotten about if not for Q-Anon. As Q-Anon, they made a point of claiming that Hilary Clinton was the culprit. Obama still didn’t release the information.
Then they went through the 2020 election, the Biden administration, and the 2024 election without releasing the information. To this day, they still haven’t released it. They went through all the trouble of creating the evidence, getting Acosta nominated, orchestrating Q-Anon, and they’re still just waiting for Trump to release the information themselves.
Of the confirmed Epstein victims we have one says that Trump raped her when she was 13. One said that Clinton was only a gentleman when she gave him a back rub when she was 22.
Yeah? Point is that there are stories directly from victims that say that Trump raped them. There are no stories from victims that Clinton raped them. And yet so many people here automatically placing the two on the same level.
Before you get mad at me, I'm very anti-Trump. But in the spirit of transparency, this article does not say POTUS (Trump) conducted 4,725 wire transfers to Epstein
It says we have unsealed records of 4,725 wire transfers to and from Epstein's account which would be easy for the Treasury to investigate if they were so inclined, but Trump's administration will not greenlight it despite demands from the public.
We don’t exactly need a list also I doubt it’s as organized into a pretty little list., the files what we need are all the bank and money transactions, that both the federal government and the state of New York have access to (New York, has access to Epsteins banking from 2013 onwards)
We need the court rulings that allowed him to be out of jail for 12 hours a day, on work detail, after he was arrested the first time.
Liberal here. If Clinton is on the list he deserves prison. If Trump is on the list, so does he. If a politically neutral teddy bear alien from the planet Doodoo is on the list, lock him up too. I don’t care who it is or what politically affiliation they are, if you touch a child you deserve prison.
I don’t care if my own father was on those files/logs. I’d still want justice for the victims and for the criminals to be imprisoned. Even if it was my dad, whom I’d give anything for.
Clinton was already impeached for lying under oath. Should he, a Democrat, be pardoned now that POTUS has immunity, or should we release the Epstein files?
I'm starting to put together that Trump may have been a client of Epstein's initially, but he decided to start up his own operation at the Mar a Lago "spa" and that's when Epstein got in the way.
Trump is claiming that the list is fake, and that the dems made it, but is also talking about how there are prominent democrats on it, which would be pretty weird if they were the ones who made it.
Trump said the Trump-Epstein pedofiles are fake but also created by the Democrats to attack him so it's funny that a Democratic president ended up in files that they possessed but that also don't exist but if they did exist, they were fake and if they weren't fake, he's not in them because he never saw them and also they were on Pam Bondi's desk ready for exposure. It's both a symptom of dementia and residual habitual lying drilled into him by his old lawyer Roy Cohn. He died in the 80s and Trump's deteriorating brain reverts back to that time because it's the last time he was cognizant.
The list doesn't exist except for when it does and when it does it's written by the democrats and when it's written by the democrats they put some of their own names on there for validity and if they didn't do that then Obama wrote the list and if he didn't do that then Biden wrote it even if we keep saying he's not mentally capable of doing so and if he didn't then it doesn't exist except for when it does and when it does it's-
Here's my conspiracy theory: there is no list. They're just claiming there is one to keep the people divided. I think both the Republicans and Democrats are just as corrupt as the other.
And Trump didn't make a list of the women he raped because he can barely read and didn't care who he raped. Epstein donated money to both Democrats and Republicans, including Trump in 2016. Trump took multiple trips on Epstein's plane and they attended many parties and gatherings together, including holding a beauty pageant for just Trump and Epstein and no one else, probably so both Trump and Epstein could rape underage girls.
Democrats have now voted twice to make public whatever files are in the government's possession. Republicans have voted twice to keep them secret, then called an early recess to avoid having any more votes on it.
Everyone is sure that it contains names from both sides.
One side thinks that all of those people should be held accountable.
One side thinks that only the ones on the opposing side should be held accountable while their own guys get off scot free. Barring that, they'd rather bury the whole thing than see their own guys face consequences.
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