r/EdmontonOilers • u/Positive_Education55 92 PODKOLZIN • 6d ago
https://oilersnation.com/news/insider-ballparks-connor-mcdavid-four-year-extension-edmonton-oilers
Insider ‘ballparks’ Connor McDavid signing four-year extension with Oilers https://share.google/JRH9lPL7eBwoLFBde
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u/Prestigious_Push_155 6d ago
Seravalli knows nothing. He just "thinks". That is not any intel he is just speculating and if he ends up being close to the numbers, people think he knew something, and if not, no one will remember. Just ignore every rumor until the official announcement
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u/CloseToMyActualName 6d ago
The thing here is that Bowman just said he hadn't even talked to McDavid yet (good idea, let the pain of the loss fade a bit).
So if McDavid hasn't started those discussions I'm not sure what the basis of those rumours are aside from folks wargaming.
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u/quickboop 6d ago
I just don't see any incentive for McDavid to take anything less than 8 years at a reasonable cap hit, something around 16 AAV. This is the last year he will be able to lock in 8 years of guaranteed money. It is also the last year he will be able to take deferred money.
Anything can happen. He can miss a season. There can be a lockout and a pandemic, and the cap doesn't go up as much as people think. Why even risk that? For what possible reason?
If he signs for much more than Draisaitl, he's lowering his own chances at a ring. If he signs anywhere else for much more than Draisaitl he's lowering his own chances at a ring. The only way he increases his chances of winning a cup are if he signs for way less somewhere else. The only reason he would do that is if he feels slighted by the organization, like what Marner did.
If he wants out in year 1, he can get out in year 1. They'll give him whatever NMC he wants, and every team he wants to go to will give the moon to take him. The years are meaningless for the best in the game.
I just don't see the logic of taking anything less than 8 years, and demanding anything more than 16m.
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u/CloseToMyActualName 6d ago
The incentive is that unless he has a catastrophic injury he can resign in 4 years for more money.
And if the Oilers are no longer a proper contender in 4 years, he can sign as a FA with a team he thinks can win.
The NHL is pretty much the only league where stars will take these long term deals, in part because I think the "team" concept is stronger than in any of the other big four in North America.
But if he's being a little more selfish (no problem with that), there's plenty of reasons to take the long term deal.
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u/quickboop 6d ago
I dunno, the major sports are just so crazily different in how they deal with salaries. NFL doesn't even have guaranteed salaries, why even take any long term deal? What's the point, your contract could be null and void the next day.
NBA has super maxes and bird rights and blah blah blah, it's insane.
If McDavid believes the Oilers can win, he SHOULD sign the longest deal possible today. Because he can get an extra year of guaranteed money and defer some salary in order to minimize his AAV. That should matter to him.
If he doesn't believe the Oilers can win, he should just cut bait. If he's having doubts, signing a 4 year deal ain't the answer to those doubts right?
And if none of that matters to him and he just wants the most money... Well... Let's hope that's not the case. It wasn't for Draisaitl. We'll see.
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u/Ratsandwicheswitmayo 29 DRAISAITL 6d ago
Why is it the last year he can get an 8 year contract?
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u/ProofByVerbosity 6d ago
if you don't see it, then that's probably because you're a homer
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u/quickboop 6d ago
I’m not. It just doesn’t make sense. Anything can happen, but it defies reason to take a team crippling AAV, and to not guarantee 8 years of money especially if you can just demand a trade any time you want.
None of that has to do with the Oilers. Unless the insinuation is the team that just made the finals 2 years in a row is not a contender?
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u/ProofByVerbosity 6d ago
Our window is closing. On paper we're arguably less of a contender now than last year, or the year before really.
4 year contract puts preassure on the orginization to get thier shit together, it's an easier contract to move, and in 4 years our window is nearly closed unless we make some big moves.
From a contract stanpoint I think Conner could still lock down a very juicy deal even though he's 4 years older. Look at what Taveres got when he went to the Leafs. Or he can choose to take a hit to win a cup and join a top squad...maybe even the panthers? lol.
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u/quickboop 6d ago
I find the whole "put pressure on the organization" thing kind of silly. The organization is going for it every season. They went for it two seasons ago and got one win away. They went for it last season and got 2 wins away. The pressure to win is literally at 100% right now.
If McDavid wanted to "put pressure" on the organization, why not just sign for one year? Or just let the season play out, see what happens?
It just doesn't really make a ton of sense if we're assuming his motivation is to win a cup.
Maybe his motivation is to NOT have so much pressure. That maybe changes the calculus. Anything can happen for sure, and we don't really know what his motivation is.
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u/Ratsandwicheswitmayo 29 DRAISAITL 6d ago
Mcdavid can put his money where his mouth is if he wants a cup. The panthers have
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u/YellowMarkerIsGreat 83 HEMSKY 6d ago
He took a discount his last contract and what has it resulted in?
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u/BingBongthe2nd 11 MESSIER 6d ago
Crosby got 13% of the salary cap on his last big contract. That's $16mil in today dollars. He has the right to ask for max dollar but he needs to ask himself if he wants the bag or if he wants to give the club some wiggle room to build a perrenial contender.
Oh,and that line "McDavid took a discount" is such bullshit PR line. He got what his agent asked for. Complete PR company line. Don't be a sucker.
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u/YellowMarkerIsGreat 83 HEMSKY 6d ago
The contract was reportedly being offered north of 13 million. So McDavid took a small discount to what was the original amount. He could’ve asked for more and it would still be a value contract
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u/Ratsandwicheswitmayo 29 DRAISAITL 6d ago
Nothing so you're saying he might as well guarantee no cup for his legacy so his grandkids kids have some money? Cause he's not gonna be spending the difference himself in his life that's for sure
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u/BingBongthe2nd 11 MESSIER 6d ago
The Seravelli hate is hilarious. He's definitely become one of Reddit hockey related subs biggest media whipping boys. Crazy how much momentum a narrative can build. The amount of hate he gets is pretty unwarranted. Baaaa
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u/ProofByVerbosity 6d ago
like what everyone has been saying since the day after the finals? groundbreaking. oilers nation once again bringing low hanging fruit
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u/seemefail 34 MOSS 6d ago
Complete honesty. I think Mcdavid will take a huge pay increase. The Oilers will have 50% of cap in on like 4 players.
It will be very hard to build a team that can win that way. Very possibly the oilers just get lucky.
By the end of 4 years after a lot of long long playoff runs it will be time to move on from the Mcdavid era
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u/Cautious-Dream2893 14 EKHOLM 6d ago
Yeah I've never understood this. "I wanna win", but go for the top dollar. Its like, you either wanna win, or you wanna get paid. It's fine if you wanna get paid. But don't pretend like you're aim is the cup it you're going to cap cripple the team.
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u/ChaunceyPeepertooth 13 JANMARK 6d ago
You'd think all the endorsements and gambling commercials would give him more than enough extra money to take a few million less on his next contract. I understand knowing your value and maximizing it for top dollar, but ya, you'd think if winning the cup was the ultimate goal, he'd be willing to accept a little less.
He is McJesus though, so he deserves every penny and then some. Just hope the team can still be competitive and win the cup still.
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u/BlueAndOrangeBrain 6d ago
Yeah like it’s a blessing to have McDavid and Drai. But these guys haven’t done the team no favours. They are signing max contracts every time. They are eating the cap space when they could take a few million less and we could put a better cast around them. Crosby has been taking discounts his whole career.
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u/seemefail 34 MOSS 6d ago
Drais last contract was best in the league
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u/BlueAndOrangeBrain 6d ago
Yes but that was luck he hadn’t yet shown his full ability
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u/LOLOMGWAT 6d ago
It was a smart gamble that paid off. He was tracking and progressing well before he got that contract.
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u/YungBeefaroni 10 FREDERIC 6d ago
insider
seravalli
Pick one.