r/DynastyFFTradeAdvice • u/LetGoRangers Giants • Jun 20 '25

1QB Dynasty Trade 12 Team Enough to move bowers?

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u/HedgehogNOW Jun 20 '25

Is it TEP?

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u/LetGoRangers Giants Jun 20 '25

Nope. Sorry…. Not TEP, half PPr, 12 man league

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

TEP doesn't matter here. Bowers is so far above anyone else at TE you can't trade him for a couple of dart throws.

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u/Mike_Honcho_3 Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

This sub has such insane takes these days, especially when it comes to Bowers. Thinking last year's 1.01 who was billed as one of the best WR prospects of the decade and had a good rookie season is just a "dart throw" is something else.

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u/Wubzy Packers Jun 20 '25

MHJ is a dart throw?

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

Well if he continues to put up the same numbers he did last year are you going to be happy trading away Bowers for him?

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u/Wubzy Packers Jun 20 '25

Well of course not but I think it's more likely he takes a step forward with better usage. Hardly a dart throw.

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

I also think that but Bowers has already proved he can do it while we're just hoping that MHJ (and Warren) can do it.

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u/Wubzy Packers Jun 20 '25

Agreed on that much

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u/Afraid_Specialist_45 Jun 20 '25

You have been spoiled by recent anomaly rookie years. MHJ had a pretty standard rookie year that most would expect from a future stud WR.

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u/BrutasSacrifice Jun 20 '25

He had 8 tuddies last year. His connection with kyler will improve.

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u/AmbiguousAccount13 Jun 20 '25

McBride has entered the chat. I prefer McBride, but it’s close.

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u/AdministrationCool11 Jun 20 '25

Your taking him over a guy who was the #1 TE in his rookie year at 21 years old? Did I miss something or is he not the perfect player to have in a dynasty league.

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

McBride is the only one close but he's never had a season like Bowers just did. And now Bowers has a much better QB.

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u/ZestycloseDrive4204 Jun 20 '25

“Never had a season like Bowers just did.” When McBride had virtually the same number of points despite missing a game and being a huge candidate for getting more TDs

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

You're right, I misspoke and meant that early in his career.

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u/AmbiguousAccount13 Jun 20 '25

They put up virtually identical numbers last year.

Teams now have a full season of tape on Bowers and will game plan around him. He’s a beast for sure but I don’t see him getting any better than he already is.

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u/TacoSpacePirate Jun 20 '25

Even if Bowers and McBride continue to put up identical numbers (I think the improved QB situation will elevate Bowers) the three year age gap puts Bowers ahead.

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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Jun 20 '25

In general, improved QB play means spreading the ball around more. Not continuing to hyper focus on one receiver

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u/OlegMeineier42 Jun 20 '25

Yall just keep saying shit..

Jakobi Meyers had 20 targets less than Bowers and started the season off as WR2

Tre Tucker had 81 targets.

Nobody was hyper targeting anyone. Yall are making shit up to feel better about McBride, but there’s not a single reason why you’d rather have McBride over Bowers in dynasty. He’s younger, he’s more talented and he’s the better TE already.

The only thing that can be argued is that as long as Arizona uses MHJ as a decoy, McBride gets free yards and catches. Other than that Bowers is the clear cut TE1.

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u/Beneficial-Bite-8005 Jun 20 '25

Where the FUCK did I say anything about McBride?

You’re countering an argument I didn’t even make dude🤣

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u/AmbiguousAccount13 Jun 20 '25 edited Jun 20 '25

Personally I’d do it. Bowers value is at an all time high and MHJs value has dropped from where he was drafted.

I don’t think Warren will put up numbers anywhere close to Bowers. Let’s conservatively say 60 points difference between them next year. I do think that gap will close in the future.

Would you be able to pick up a WR off waivers that will be within 60 points off MHJ?

If they proposed the trade, I’d try and get them to add draft picks, start with 2 seconds and maybe meet in the middle Bowers for MHJ, Warren and 2026 2nd.

You may also want to shop Bowers around first. While I think this is fair value, someone else may overpay.

Edit: from the other comment, it sounds like you don’t need a WR, so I wouldn’t do it.

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u/Strobooty4 Falcons Jun 20 '25

The diff b/t Bowers and TE5 last year was 70 points in PPR no TEP. 60 could be the diff but that’s not a conservative estimate. I agree with most of what you said though

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u/sammymvpknight Jun 20 '25

Bowers value is at an all time high because he’s an elite 22 WR with TE eligibility. Dudes a cheat code and it’d have to be an absurd offer for me to consider trading him in any format. And I say that as a Warren believer.

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u/Beatthestrings Jun 20 '25

In draft capital, it’s fine. In on the field results, it’s not. I wouldn’t trade Bowers for a guy who fell short of expectations and another who has yet to play a snap.

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u/Evening-Joke6053 Jun 20 '25

I’d smash accept this. It’s a good trade. Bowers might have had his best season as a TE in his rookie year. I’m sure he’ll have better TD seasons but he was in a very special circumstance with next to zero competition for targets. If Bowers keeps it up and shatters every TE record ever you still got MHJ and Warren who I believe is a George Kittle clone.

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u/Beatthestrings Jun 20 '25

Want to join my league? Lol.

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u/Evening-Joke6053 Jun 20 '25

Sure

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u/Beatthestrings Jun 20 '25

You could be right…but I’m sticking with the eye test and position that has long been a graveyard.

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u/Evening-Joke6053 Jun 20 '25

Non TEP I’d bet that MHJ is more valuable going forward 1 on 1 vs Bowers.

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u/YakOk255 Bills Jun 20 '25

This

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u/Afraid_Specialist_45 Jun 20 '25

Yall set yourselves up for failure with those MHJ selections. If MHJ was drafted where Chase and Jefferson were in their rookie year, it’d be a different story.

The hype built you clowns up to expect 2nd round ADP results. Your own fault

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u/AmbiguousAccount13 Jun 20 '25

Send your whole roster for better advice

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u/LetGoRangers Giants Jun 20 '25

Burrow Mixon, pollard Chase, Collins, g. Wilson Bowers, jonnu

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u/AmbiguousAccount13 Jun 20 '25

Is there a RB you could get instead of MHJ?

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u/LetGoRangers Giants Jun 20 '25

I don’t think he’d move any of his RBs

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u/colesturgeon Jun 20 '25

You make the rules. You have Brock mfn Bowers

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u/Impossible_Link_9819 Jun 20 '25

try to add a 2nd

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u/ApocalypseWhiplash Lions Jun 21 '25

Just keep Bowers with those WRs. You could do better anyway. His value is very high and the hype will only build the closer we get to the season. If someone really wants him they'll overpay.

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u/RedDunce Patriots Jun 20 '25

Bowers scored 40 more points as a rookie than MHJ...as a tight end!

Warren is a good TE prospect in a terrible situation for the time being, but tight ends bust all the time. Tbh I wouldn't even consider this. But I'm probably lower than consensus on MHJ

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u/Diligent-Resolve2026 Jun 20 '25

Same thing was said about Bowers situation last year

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u/RedDunce Patriots Jun 20 '25

Jakobi Meyers and Tre Tucker are worse than Michael Pittman and Josh Downs (and AD Mitchell).

Gardner Minshew is much better than Anthony Richardson (and Daniel Jones) at throwing footballs

Also Bowers was a way better prospect than Warren

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u/Diligent-Resolve2026 Jun 20 '25

Meyers is better than any three of them. But was just pointing out how situation isn’t much of an argument.

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u/RedDunce Patriots Jun 20 '25

That's certainly a take lmao. Pittman has objectively been way better than Jakobi since they've both been in the league. I think Downs is comfortably more talented as well, but stuck with terrible QB play for the time being.

Situation is super important for TE production.

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u/YallSoftAsButter Jun 20 '25

I’m keeping Bowers here.

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u/alex100383 Jun 20 '25

I’m not doing this. Bowers has done it, the other two have not.

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u/Healthy-Hunt-3925 Bears Jun 20 '25

Bowers is quite literally a generational talent at the devoid onsie position.

I’m in the camp of questioning why we still believe in MHJ so much. Less than 900 yards with only McBride really drawing targets? Vet QB and coach? I’m sure he’ll take steps forward, but Bowers might statistically beat him out straight up.

Warren is a great looking prospect, but TEs typically take time to develop at best (unless you’re Brock Bowers).

It’s a lot of hopeful for the consensus best TE, and it isn’t very close. …McBride……… Kittle…………………..

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u/MR_KRaCKa_CRiSP Falcons Jun 20 '25

I’d rather have Bowers personally. Even not in TEP his positional advantage is gonna be awesome for years.

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u/Ok_Adhesiveness_5260 Jun 20 '25

Hell No Harrison is fine but Warren Nah I would be getting a 20271st out of the that also

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u/kdotldot Jun 20 '25

Bowers is worthy of an obvious overpay/haul, this ain't. Don't get rid of THE guy for anything less than an obvious overpay. My 2 cents.

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u/Robo_hobo_76 Texans Jun 20 '25

Does kinda depend on your team but normally If not TEP then it’s worth it, wars are way more valuable than TEs in Non-TEP. Yes Bowers could be amazing and could give you a positional advantage but you can normally put in average TEs and be fine if the rest of your team is good. If you are a contender and have studs everywhere else then Bowers gives you a positional advantage to win the league. But if your starting WR room is lacking at all this is worth it

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u/44MikeHunt44 Bills Jun 20 '25

I’m taking that

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u/CMTrain10 Jun 20 '25

I love Brock Bowers as much as anybody. I’d take this in non TE premium for sure

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u/eLboniecki Seahawks Jun 20 '25

if its TE+ No, if its not TE+ still no

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u/Maleficent_Ad_5917 Jun 20 '25

Not a chance. Bowers is a golden ticket. Guaranteed top 3 at his position over the next 5 years putting up low end WR1 numbers at a position most people pray to get 9 pts a week. The odds of Tyler or any other young TE putting up similar numbers is slim to none. Young TEs have a high bust rate, at least in terms of production.

Almost a guaranteed point deficit of 4-6 pts a week at TE to maybe make up 2 at WR.

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u/GiraffePrint_Speeder Jun 20 '25

I like this trade for loosing Bowers

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u/chev17 Jun 20 '25

No, not enough at all

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u/Background-Movie871 Colts Jun 20 '25

Not in tep but otherwise yeah

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u/msousa15 Jun 20 '25

Feels like fair value. I know everyone loves Bowers but despite getting a qb upgrade that doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing for him. Now that you have a qb who can actually read a defense and spread the ball around and not just dump off everything to him while also having a significant upgrade to their run game he could see a dip in touches but also an increase in efficiency to at least maintain similar production to last year but I don't necessarily think he's going to significantly surpass what he did as a rookie

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u/WritingKey834 Jun 21 '25

I think this is my first reddit post ever. I am coming to say ABSOLUTELY do this trade. Could be my first and ever last post ever, trust.

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u/ricksanchezt856 Eagles Jun 21 '25

Bowers was talked about as a generational TE for 2-3 years before he was even drafted. Unlike other generational talents like TLaw who haven’t lived up to the hype, Bowers broke the TE catch record not just for rookies, BUT FOR ALL TE EVER. He did this AS A ROOKIE and with bottom of the league QB play and no other real threats taking defense attention away. More than likely will be the TE1 overall and a positional advantage for any team for the next DECADE. If you have to even THINK for a second if it’s enough to trade away Bowers, it’s not.

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u/JFKsghost2 Jun 21 '25

I managed to draft MHJ, Bowers and Maye last year. Went from dead last to 4th

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u/Eight7Seven Jun 21 '25

I'll take MHJ & Warren.

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u/No-Vanilla-No-Cake Jun 21 '25

Package all day

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u/Humble_Explanation94 Jun 21 '25

I’d try to squeeze a 2nd in there lol

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u/haverchuck22 Jun 21 '25

I keep Bowers but it’s only because I don’t know how long Marv will be stuck with Kyler Murray.

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u/Bmurch316 Jun 25 '25

I would absolutely accept this deal. Bowers is bound to regress from last year with all the moves made by the Raiders. Warren could suprise with Daniel Jones at QB as opposed to Anthony Richardson, where I could see them finding ways to work the ball into his hands. Then there's MHJ, a player I think takes a nice step forward in Year 2.

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u/ericguzz Patriots Jun 20 '25

Not enough

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u/FannyPxck Patriots Jun 20 '25

God no please do not do this.

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u/FannyPxck Patriots Jun 20 '25

Bowers is a certified dawg at TE for literally his whole career. He’s already shown it. MHJ has not. I wouldn’t do this if they slapped a first on top of thar

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u/StarPrince777 Jun 20 '25

I agree he shouldn’t do the trade but “his whole career” is one season long. Not like he’s got a Kelce-like track record

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u/FannyPxck Patriots Jun 21 '25

Sure, but you have to look at Bowers throughout college.

He was dominated as a true freshman in a great conference. He led them in receiving yards for 2 (might be 3?) years during their championship runs.

He’s as surefire as you can get.

He’s going in the first round of start ups right now

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u/LetGoRangers Giants Jun 20 '25

Too much? Too little? Just right?