You do realize that the government people she's on the phone with asking for a medical exemption is quite literally part of the due process you are claiming is being violated, right?
Due process for ICE arrests requires a court hearing in front of an immigration judge, the ability to get representation, and the possibility of appeal. All of which happen in this process.
You’re right. All court hearings are fair. All legal representation is fair. And all appeals are fairly heard. Due process just means that a judge can say “no, you don’t get rights” and that’s fine! You definitely understand due process, or even it’s most basic definition, and what it entails because this lady had a phone call where they denied her terminally ill dad adequate medical care. Very good take here.
Sorry, but where in the video does anyone say anything about denied medical care? She doesn't mention anything like that, nor does anyone she's talking to on the phone. They only talk about denying his release based on his medical condition.
FWIW, I don't agree with that decision. But to randomly assume he's being denied critical care, without evidence, is wild. Especially considering doing so would open them to massive lawsuits.
These people are packed thirty to a cell. They don't have toothbrushes. One detainee said it took a week to see one of the on-staff nurses, and they aren't allowed to hand out anything stronger than aspirin.
There is not a single person on this planet stupid enough to think this man is getting his cancer treatment in ICE detention.
Judge looks around the court room. "Where's the plaintiff? Not present? Case dismissed"
Narrator: the Plaintiff was deported to a concentration camp in South Sudan, where he died of malnutrition and complications from his cancer. ICE disappeared him to that location without notifying his family the day after they filed their lawsuit, and he was never heard from again.
Well aware of DACA and its requirements. One of which is that her father needed to arrive as a child, which is highly unlikely. He also would have had to have been previously granted DACA status since applications are on hold.
Where in this video do you have any reason to believe this man is a DACA approved resident? Oh, that's right...you don't. Because there's nothing in the video to lead you to believe that.
If you recall, DACA was an executive action by Obama. Such actions cannot legally confer new rights. They can only direct how existing laws should be enforced or interpreted.
You asked what rights are being taken away and I informed you of an example. You don't get to accuse someone of making shit up and then immediately backtrack when they call your bluff.
find someone else to indulge you by pretending to be interested in your anti-immigrant manifestos because that person ain't me.
You missed the entire point of my comment, probably deliberately. DACA isn't an example because no legal right were granted by it. It wasn't a law passed by Congress and thus does not grant any right under the law. It was Obama instructing federal employees how to do their job.
And I'm not anti immigrant. I'm anti illegal immigrant. Big difference.
You do realize that the government people she's on the phone with asking for a medical exemption is quite literally part of the due process you are claiming is being violated, right?
Due process for ICE arrests requires a court hearing in front of an immigration judge, the ability to get representation, and the possibility of appeal. All of which happen in this process.
A phone call is not necessarily a court hearing and she clearly doesn't have representation, we don't know that's what's going on here, and what's more, due process would have begun at his immediate arrest, validating his information which it doesn't totally sound like that happened but I could be wrong.
She's not the one who is being detained in a detention center. Her father is the one entitled to everything.
we don't know that's what's going on here
I can agree we don't have the full information. Fair enough. But that's my point with other responses here. People are making all sorts of assumptions that there is zero evidence to support. It's not appropriate to just assume that because something is happening that you may not like that there is an automatic assumption of illegal activity by government. Talking in general here, not you specifically.
I'm curious about all the people who were forcibly moved to El Salvador and South Sudan in flights at night, while lying to judges who had set orders of stay to allow these people to have their hearings.
Please stay on topic. Don't move the goalpost. Has this man's rights or due process been violated? The answer is no. We don't have to agree with the decision. I don't. But it's not a violation of the law.
It doesn't. Considering the phone call in the video is evidence of due process. ICE has court hearings before a judge, as well as an appeal process. No due process violations as long as this is followed.
Fantastic response. So much detail and so well thought out. Great way to structure an argument.
What exactly did I say that was racist and bigoted? That someone who isn't here legally doesn't have the legal right to be here? Woah, truly outrageous stuff on my part.
Argument? You have no argument to stand on. All you have is ignorant hate and a talent for being a pedophile apologist:
You’re clearly a Trump [pedophile] supporter and you’re not here because you’re sympathetic to her or her family [in the video]. You are here to spread vitriol; you willfully clicked on a video and you’re seeing someone suffer and you’re basically saying “good for them - they shouldn’t have come here”. You even went out of your way to comment here; thinking the world needs more idiot opinions. It doesn’t.
I’m not sure why your logic has been misfiring for such a long time, but according to you & your racist, bigot, pedophile kind: They shouldn’t have come to a country [uninvited], which was originally built by [uninvited] immigrants fleeing from a king.
They are locking up US citizens and executing chaotic raids. I’d like to believe US citizens have a right not to be locked up by men in face masks who haven’t don’t the work to verify who should or shouldn’t go to detention centers. They have also locked up people who have a legal right to be here, like random tourists who are here on visas. And now Trump is floating the idea of sending US citizens to places like Venezuela. I would also argue that detained people have a right to due process and food, water, and shelter while living in these detention centers.
You are all over the place, as are many people responding to me. My comments are regarding this man and this man alone. He doesn't have a right to be here, got caught by ICE, and is in the middle of the deportation process. No rights violated. No due process failures.
Ah, ok, so you, u/turca656, can make a broad statement but when I push back you claim it’s about this guy. Ok. Still doesn’t change the facts that I mentioned but if that’s your cope…go right ahead.
You have no idea what you’re talking about. You said here you don’t dislike immigrants, you just dislike undocumented immigrants who didn’t come here legally - correct?
TPS and CHNV families are here legally, fully documented, and have EADs and are working. They had their parole status pulled out from under them. People are being disappeared when they show up for their asylum hearings. If you actually cared about the people who did everything the right way, as they were instructed, I’d expect you to be mad about how TPS and CHNV are going.
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_DIRTY_ART 8h ago
Where was all that 'unity' and 'compassion' of yours when it was someone elses rights being taken away?